Our weak links

[gkmacca]

It's frustrating seeing Swansea this year. That could've been Rodgers leading the club to a cup final win. That would have done him the world of good - calmed him down, made him feel far more secure. Then he could have come here in the summer and been in a much better frame of mind to cope at a big club.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

All won titles, trophies and managed at the highest level.

Redknapp on the other hand has a proven track Record in the premier League.. especially at bringing fine young players through.

However it's debatable wether he could manage at the very highest level in the Premier League, long term.

He falls under the Roy Hodgson type classification of manager for me..

And were they experienced when they won those trophies? Do you only have to be experienced to work in England?

 

[hmmmmm1]

All won titles, trophies and managed at the highest level.

Redknapp on the other hand has a proven track Record in the premier League.. especially at bringing fine young players through.

However it's debatable wether he could manage at the very highest level in the Premier League, long term.

He falls under the Roy Hodgson type classification of manager for me..

Except he has managed to get Spurs two 4th place finishes.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Except he has managed to get Spurs two 4th place finishes.

Very true, bank rolled by Daniel Levy lol..

Wether he could make that final push to take a team to a Prem Title, champs league final.. I dunno..

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Very true, bank rolled by Daniel Levy lol..

Wether he could make that final push to take a team to a Prem Title, champs league final.. I dunno..

One step at a time.

 

[Insignificance]

It's frustrating seeing Swansea this year. That could've been Rodgers leading the club to a cup final win. That would have done him the world of good - calmed him down, made him feel far more secure. Then he could have come here in the summer and been in a much better frame of mind to cope at a big club.

Thats probably the most speculative post ever?😉

 

[6TimesaRed]

Mancini is free in the Summer, id take him.. Then obviously sack him of once we reach the Champions League..

In fairness.. if we where going for young unproven manager, I so would of preferred Laudrup.. He has done a fantastic manager..

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Are you taking the piss?

 

[Rosco]

Can those who claim the manager is the problem, explain the following:

How come Rafa Benitez, Hodgson/Kenny, Kenny and now Rodgers all had this team in around 7th for the last four years.

Are they all shite managers?

 

[gkmacca]

Guess we'd better see if they've ever won anything. That would be a start.

 

[Insignificance]

Can those who claim the manager is the problem, explain the following:

How come Rafa Benitez, Hodgson/Kenny, Kenny and now Rodgers all had this team in around 7th for the last four years.

Are they all shite managers?

Rafa lost the momentum from the season before as well as struggled slightly with the worst owners in history. Hodgson was never Liverpool material nor around 7th. Kenny lost the drive during the Suarez saga and we struggled badly after that, though 3 trips to Wembley saved that spring a bit. So no, not as poor as Rodgers, but we should have done better when hiring Hodgson.

 

[SaintGeorge67]

lost the drive?

 

[Insignificance]

lost the drive?

The team played well with good attacking drive until that incident.

 

[localny]

Rodgers has definitely added something and I like what I am seeing. If you take the passion out of it and the emotion and step back we are not that far off, and we spend far less than the big oligarchs and Their playthings. I do have concerns he may not be a winning leader type person.

But you know me Martinez and Hodgson not withstanding I'd call a spade a spade. We are not that far off. He deserves time to make it happen. Or at least till next December.

 

[Rosco]

Rafa lost the momentum from the season before as well as struggled slightly with the worst owners in history. Hodgson was never Liverpool material nor around 7th. Kenny lost the drive during the Suarez saga and we struggled badly after that, though 3 trips to Wembley saved that spring a bit. So no, not as poor as Rodgers, but we should have done better when hiring Hodgson.

The above is a perfect example of the bollocks people talk themselves into to allow themselves to ignore the problem right in front of them.

The squad is rubbish, it has been for four years now. Player who are supposedly our best, simply aren't good enough, the players we've been building around haven't been worth building around. Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Gerrard, Lucas, Reina, whats left of the collective spine of the team throughout the four years are nowhere near as good as we rate them. The proof is in successive lack lustre midtable finishes. We've surrounded them with good bad and indifferent players throughout the time and the results are always the same.

But instead, no we just need the right manager to turn all these under performing players into what they should be.

Sack the squad.

 

[Insignificance]

The above is a perfect example of the bollocks people talk themselves into to allow themselves to ignore the problem right in front of them.

The squad is rubbish, it has been for four years now. Player who are supposedly our best, simply aren't good enough, the players we've been building around haven't been worth building around. Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Gerrard, Lucas, Reina, whats left of the collective spine of the team throughout the four years are nowhere near as good as we rate them. The proof is in successive lack lustre midtable finishes. We've surrounded them with good bad and indifferent players throughout the time and the results are always the same.

But instead, no we just need the right manager to turn all these under performing players into what they should be.

Sack the squad.

Well thats one hell of a task!!!

People will allways like or dislike different players, and good enough is not exact science. I think managers have not got enough out of the different squads we have had, except Rafa that got quite much out of a avaregae squad, and started to loose it when he finally had assembled his own.

I also feel that even if the squad probably is not good enough to win the league, it is better than not keeping up with WBA and Stoke. What i want is to be up there, to pick a fight for the top spots, and to show the rest that Liverpool groove that we have shown before. I can live with us not neccesary winning it, but I still want us to fight for it. And I am pretty sure better managers can get more out of the squad than we currently do.

 

[Rosco]

So why didnt Rafa get more out of the squad then if he's better than the others?

Why is he getting less out of Chelsea than Di Matteo?

 

[SaintGeorge67]

I love how players 'choose to play' for a manager. In any other job you'd be fucking sacked if you couldn't be arsed because you didn't like your boss.

Cunts.

 

[Mamma Mia]

If Stevie's pen went in, I reckon this thread would never have happened.

 

[Insignificance]

So why didnt Rafa get more out of the s. quad then if he's better than the others?

Why is he getting less out of Chelsea than Di Matteo?

He won the CL, was often in the semis and came very close to winning the league. Kenny got us to two finals last season and won one and was close of winning two... So in fairness Rafa got quite a bit out of the squad. Why did it fail once? Speculative maybe, but the club went through a lot outside the pitch and it might have distracted the focus.

Why he struggles to get more out of Chelsea. Well, he has a different midfield set up than he is used to. He is the xlubs old nemesis and that might cause internal issues. Players knows he is there short term only and that make their interest drop 10%. There can be many things. Probably not one single reason for it besides of course poor management from the very top floor.

 

[Rafiagra]

We need a front 3 that can be given the ball and score goals between them.

We have 2 like that when Sturridge and Suarez are playing but absolutely nothing beyond that.

Downing has picked up but is no goal threat. Shelvey shouldn't be in the front 3, and Sterling isn't ready yet.

 

[6TimesaRed]

I was thinking..

If the board are adamant we want a young up and coming manager with passion and experience at the highest level, that can get the best out of average players with a bit of tactical nouse..

Neil Lennon..

I think he is Great Manager...

 

[dantes]

I wouldn't give Rodger's any time at all. This time last year Kenny needed time. For no fucking reason FSG threw that year and half worth of work into the bin, and decided to start from scratch with Rodgers.

I'm not going to pretend we're at the beginning of some new journey together. Fuck you. I already spent a year and a half on that journey already. Now it's time to fucking pay. As far as I'm concerned Rodgers had to walk in and pick up as if he'd been here for that long.

He hasn't succeeded. He still looks as clueless now as the day he got the job. So that's that. I won't commit another year or two years of patience to this douche. I will just abuse him for being shit, deluded, tactically clueless, and cowardly, not keeping his fucking gob shut, his crap signings, everything. That's the way it goes.

 

[Frogfish]

What we really need .... is a clickable thumbs up and a thumbs down for us to vote on each post and not just a 'Like' !

 

[StevieM]

The above is a perfect example of the bollocks people talk themselves into to allow themselves to ignore the problem right in front of them.

The squad is rubbish, it has been for four years now. Player who are supposedly our best, simply aren't good enough, the players we've been building around haven't been worth building around. Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Gerrard, Lucas, Reina, whats left of the collective spine of the team throughout the four years are nowhere near as good as we rate them. The proof is in successive lack lustre midtable finishes. We've surrounded them with good bad and indifferent players throughout the time and the results are always the same.

But instead, no we just need the right manager to turn all these under performing players into what they should be.

Sack the squad.

This is correct.

 

[LarryHagman]

IMO we have Rodgers because the owners wanted to employ someone in a 'dream job', not someone who would have rocked the boat by complaining about interference or lack of investment. The only other shortlisted candidate was Martinez who currently sits 2nd bottom of the League. Rodgers probably knocks quietly on the Boardroom door and will never, ever walk out on this job.
The reason we were fishing for a Manger like this is the sum total of our owner's aspirations is to nick 4th place and get back in the Champs League. Not win the Premiership, our goal is to sneak 4th, get back in the CL and watch the royalties roll in. Whilst our current owner's are in place, Utd are Utd and Chelsea and City are bankrolled as they are, we will NEVER win the League.
We do need a squad overhaul, we have done for years. We carry a lot of mediocre players although you wouldn't think so if you listened to some of our more delusional fans. But the investment will never come to overhaul the squad, so we patchwork all the time in a vain attempt to achieve the Holy Grail; 4th place.
I don't blame Rodgers, he seems a decent bloke but if he was to walk out of here where do you think he'll end up? Real Madrid or Reading?
So, its keep chugging along, try and add a bit of quality here and there, lose some of the dead-weight and try and get to the lofty heights of 4th. There are highs on the way, there are plenty of lows.
Welcome to LFC.

 

[Silver Sean]

Manager, coaching staff, owners, keeper, CBs, Fullbacks, central mid, wide mid, forward mid, strikers. Apart from that I think we look decent.

 

[Silver Sean]

Name me one inexperienced Manager who has managed a top 4 finish in the last 15 years..

Not one...

Rodgers comes under the heading. 'Promising Young Manager' and imho a 2nd tier manager, that simply is not good enough for this club.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love him to prove me wrong, but I just cannot see it.

Barcelona did ok with a guy who had never managed before. I agree with you on your last point though.

 

[Insignificance]

Barcelona did ok with a guy who had never managed before. I agree with you on your last point though.

So did we with King Kenny. But those guys are very special guys. they don't grow on threes and they are not proof for that any guy can come into the business and cut it.

 

[6TimesaRed]

Barcelona did ok with a guy who had never managed before. I agree with you on your last point though.

I think the difference with that is he was groomed from the ground up.

Eat, slept and drank Barcelona, and was in the clubs eco system. Furthermore, he was more of a coach than a manager. The club is run from upstairs, basically told here are your world class players, you coach em.