Other Games 14th/15th December
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Surprised if he's not on a beach in the Caribbean.
I hope it stays that way. I hope this becomes the most boring league season ever and our margin to the 2nd placed team just keeps growing.
That actually sound like fun mate!!
Obviously to us.
Ya a 30 pt league win would be epic.
I feel like if we win early we’ll ease off and go all in on the CL
I feel like if we win early we’ll ease off and go all in on the CL
We were finalist in last two CL without winning the league early. That doesn't make any sense mate.
I hope not. I'd love us to blast every City record into oblivion. Maybe Bluefume would then instantaneously combust.
We weren’t able to win both when we had to balance both. I doubt we can do it this year either so winning the league early will mean we don’t have to.
No we didn't win both. But we came fucking close when trying to "balance" both. It is not that we didn't win every game that we had to win. It was just another team that did the same. It just doesn't make sense what you say mate. It was 1 fucking point and we would have won it if City had drawn one of their last 15 games or so. Stop this bullshit. Please.
Brighton beating Palace. I love seeing Palace lose.
Why is this game considered a derby?
Why is this game considered a derby?
Despite having lived down here for decades, I haven't a clue. There was 'crowd trouble' last year too.
I think they hate each other's guts for some reason
Found this on Wikipedia -
The teams had not met at all for 11 years, when they played each other on the opening day of the 1974-75 season in the Third Division, Palace having been relegated from the tier above the previous season. Brighton were then managed by Peter Taylor, following the recent departure of Brian Clough, Palace by the flamboyant Malcolm Allison. Extra police were deployed to control the 26,000 crowd, far higher than Brighton's usual attendance, and there were multiple arrests and fighting between fans inside and outside the Goldstone Ground, with excessive drinking due to the hot weather blamed for the trouble.[7][8] Brighton won 1-0, Palace winning the return fixture later that season 3-0.
The following season witnessed both clubs vying for promotion. The league game between the two sides at Selhurst Park was played in front of a crowd of over 25,000, Palace's highest home attendance for two years. Malcolm Allison complained that Brighton had secured their 1-0 victory by their overly physical tactics.[9] The Evening Argus reported that the game had been played in a "cup-tie atmosphere" with "the cut and thrust carried through with the zest of deadly rivals".[10]
The return match at the Goldstone Ground saw over 33,000 crammed in to the stadium to see a third tier match. That game, which the home side won 2–0 with two goals by Sammy Morgan, is generally attributed as giving birth to Brighton's current nickname of 'Seagulls' (they had been known previously as "the Dolphins") – later adopted officially by the club (see below) – as it was sung on the terraces as a humorous counter-chant to Palace's 'Eagles!'. The home side's victory was overshadowed by more crowd trouble, as referee Ron Challis threatened to abandon the game due to Palace fans throwing smoke bombs and other missiles on the pitch.[11]
Both teams narrowly missed out on promotion that year. In the summer of 1976, Terry Venables became Crystal Palace manager and Alan Mullery Brighton manager. The pair had spent time together on the field as players at Tottenham, and Venables was second in command to Mullery's captaincy at the club; Mullery has described this power dynamic as a reason for the rivalry between them. Whilst at Tottenham, Venables reportedly did not have a good relationship with his manager Bill Nicholson, believing him to have a negative attitude that "drained him of enthusiasm". Venables also felt that he was not appreciated by Spurs fans, in contrast to Mullery, who was Nicholson’s and the fans’ favourite.[12]
The two young managers were set the same task: promotion from the Third Division.[4]
The first meeting between the clubs that season was the league match at The Goldstone on 2 October, which ended 1–1; during the game, as once again smoke bombs were thrown onto the pitch and play was stopped three times throughout the match.[12]
The clubs were then drawn together in the first round of the FA Cup, played on 20 November at The Goldstone; the match ended 2–2. After the game, Mullery was critical of his opposite number, bemoaning what he perceived to be Palace’s negative tactics.[12]
A replay took place at Selhurst three days later; the match finished 1–1 after extra time and the teams faced a second replay. Brighton were described as dominating much of the play in the two games, which both attracted attendances of almost 30,000.[4] This attendance figure was a significant increase on both club's averages for the season, with Palace averaging just 15,925 that season and Brighton 20,197.[12]
The second replay, postponed twice due to bad weather, took place at Stamford Bridge on 6 December.[4] Palace took the lead after 18 minutes through Phil Holder. Brighton dominated much of the game's remainder, with striker Peter Ward having a goal disallowed shortly after as he was adjudged to have handled the ball, although Palace’s Jim Cannon later said that this only occurred due to him shoving the Brighton striker. In the 78th minute, Brighton were awarded a penalty which was converted by Brian Horton only to be disallowed as referee Ron Challis adjudged that players had encroached upon the penalty area. Horton retook the penalty and this time it was saved by the Palace keeper, Paul Hammond. The match ended 1–0 to Crystal Palace.[4]
After the final whistle, Mullery approached Challis to discuss the decision and was escorted off the pitch by police while flicking 'v-signs' and swearing at the Palace supporters in the stands. The Brighton manager then allegedly entered the Palace dressing room, threw five pounds on the floor and told Venables: "Your team's not worth that." Mullery was fined £100 by the FA for bringing the game into disrepute.[4]
The teams had not met at all for 11 years, when they played each other on the opening day of the 1974-75 season in the Third Division, Palace having been relegated from the tier above the previous season. Brighton were then managed by Peter Taylor, following the recent departure of Brian Clough, Palace by the flamboyant Malcolm Allison. Extra police were deployed to control the 26,000 crowd, far higher than Brighton's usual attendance, and there were multiple arrests and fighting between fans inside and outside the Goldstone Ground, with excessive drinking due to the hot weather blamed for the trouble.[7][8] Brighton won 1-0, Palace winning the return fixture later that season 3-0.
The following season witnessed both clubs vying for promotion. The league game between the two sides at Selhurst Park was played in front of a crowd of over 25,000, Palace's highest home attendance for two years. Malcolm Allison complained that Brighton had secured their 1-0 victory by their overly physical tactics.[9] The Evening Argus reported that the game had been played in a "cup-tie atmosphere" with "the cut and thrust carried through with the zest of deadly rivals".[10]
The return match at the Goldstone Ground saw over 33,000 crammed in to the stadium to see a third tier match. That game, which the home side won 2–0 with two goals by Sammy Morgan, is generally attributed as giving birth to Brighton's current nickname of 'Seagulls' (they had been known previously as "the Dolphins") – later adopted officially by the club (see below) – as it was sung on the terraces as a humorous counter-chant to Palace's 'Eagles!'. The home side's victory was overshadowed by more crowd trouble, as referee Ron Challis threatened to abandon the game due to Palace fans throwing smoke bombs and other missiles on the pitch.[11]
Both teams narrowly missed out on promotion that year. In the summer of 1976, Terry Venables became Crystal Palace manager and Alan Mullery Brighton manager. The pair had spent time together on the field as players at Tottenham, and Venables was second in command to Mullery's captaincy at the club; Mullery has described this power dynamic as a reason for the rivalry between them. Whilst at Tottenham, Venables reportedly did not have a good relationship with his manager Bill Nicholson, believing him to have a negative attitude that "drained him of enthusiasm". Venables also felt that he was not appreciated by Spurs fans, in contrast to Mullery, who was Nicholson’s and the fans’ favourite.[12]
The two young managers were set the same task: promotion from the Third Division.[4]
The first meeting between the clubs that season was the league match at The Goldstone on 2 October, which ended 1–1; during the game, as once again smoke bombs were thrown onto the pitch and play was stopped three times throughout the match.[12]
The clubs were then drawn together in the first round of the FA Cup, played on 20 November at The Goldstone; the match ended 2–2. After the game, Mullery was critical of his opposite number, bemoaning what he perceived to be Palace’s negative tactics.[12]
A replay took place at Selhurst three days later; the match finished 1–1 after extra time and the teams faced a second replay. Brighton were described as dominating much of the play in the two games, which both attracted attendances of almost 30,000.[4] This attendance figure was a significant increase on both club's averages for the season, with Palace averaging just 15,925 that season and Brighton 20,197.[12]
The second replay, postponed twice due to bad weather, took place at Stamford Bridge on 6 December.[4] Palace took the lead after 18 minutes through Phil Holder. Brighton dominated much of the game's remainder, with striker Peter Ward having a goal disallowed shortly after as he was adjudged to have handled the ball, although Palace’s Jim Cannon later said that this only occurred due to him shoving the Brighton striker. In the 78th minute, Brighton were awarded a penalty which was converted by Brian Horton only to be disallowed as referee Ron Challis adjudged that players had encroached upon the penalty area. Horton retook the penalty and this time it was saved by the Palace keeper, Paul Hammond. The match ended 1–0 to Crystal Palace.[4]
After the final whistle, Mullery approached Challis to discuss the decision and was escorted off the pitch by police while flicking 'v-signs' and swearing at the Palace supporters in the stands. The Brighton manager then allegedly entered the Palace dressing room, threw five pounds on the floor and told Venables: "Your team's not worth that." Mullery was fined £100 by the FA for bringing the game into disrepute.[4]
that goal by zaha was top top notch.
Yes it was. Reminded me of Mane's goal against Man C.
Ah !!! I thought I was hearing stuff and so they did use that word 'derby' - good question I would like to know why.
14 games and the fact still remains that we struggled to balance both and some players suffered a dip at just the wrong time. Not to mention the miracle against Barca which won’t happen every year.
Smash the league so by the time the CL and hopefully FA Cup gets to the business end we don’t have to stretch the players to breaking point.
It’s not bs at all. It’s very simple.
It is pure BS. You claim we need to wrap up the league early so don't have to balance both the league and CL as it is some kind of fact. Still the facts showed that we had no problem racing in both league and CL last season. The evidence that we didn't win both is so fucking stupid that I can't even describe it. Noone won the CL and League double last year. But we were the only team close to it. And we are still developing. and are in a middle (I hope it is n the middle and not towards the end) of a fantastic run that we haven't witnessed before.
Look mate I am not having a bite at you here. But this kind of paranoia BS doesn't make any sense. Everyone want us to win the league as early as possible and god knows we have fought a long time to be in this situation. But presenting BS as fact is at best tedious. We cant balance both? What a phrase after last season. Barca miracle doesnt happen every year? After we have been in 2 consecutive CL finals? All is wrong. All is BS and it does my head fucking in that this forum keep on delivering these "facts" as facts when they clearly are wrong!!!!!!
@manwithnoname Now that is the angry version of what I wrote. I just used some forceful language to try and avoid this one from having to happen. 😗
I look to forward to a 'like' for my detective work on the previous page of the thread then ! 🙂
What? The fact is we didn’t win both. That’s not opinion it’s fact. If you don’t think the pressure of must win games every 3/4 days in that period didn’t contribute to us not winning both then fair enough. I’m not saying it was the only factor but it clearly was a big factor. Just like our current team is picking up injuries and struggling to get over the line week in week out this season. A huge factor in that is the fixture congestion and the need to win almost every game. Klopp himself has complained about it, Maybe we can do it for another 6 months but it’ll be a hell of a lot easier if we wrap up the league early.
But the bold part is were you are wrong. We did win all the games we had to win in that period to win both. We couldn't do more. That was not were we lost the league.
And this is football. Over a long season a lot of factors will decide outcome over long periods through a season.
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Dreambeleiver is being obtuse.
We are not going to wrap up the league in Feb this year...which is when we dropped the points against City last season, after which we were pretty much spot on in both league and CL, and won 100% of the points on table in the league. So basically dreamy argument is smeared in shit.
We are not going to wrap up the league in Feb this year...which is when we dropped the points against City last season, after which we were pretty much spot on in both league and CL, and won 100% of the points on table in the league. So basically dreamy argument is smeared in shit.
It's known as the M23 Derby as the 2 teams play somewhat near the 2 ends of the M23 Motorway. I don't know how far apart the 2 grounds are but the M23 is only about 15 miles long so they're fairly close neighbours. There is certainly enough animosity between rival fans to provide the requisite derby fervour.
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