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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934057#msg934057 date=1251467051]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
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Thanks Dreambeliever
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After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
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Thanks Dreambeliever
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After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
I'm not having a go at anyone Wilko so no need for the hyperbole, going to the game is important I understand that. I never suggested jacking in your season ticket and i'm not blaming the fans for having the wool pulled over their eyes I am saying that it was within our ower to make more meaningful protests than 500 SoS whoppers walking past a pub.
One game would have sufficed, one almighty horrible stink, the press would have had kittens.
RSBC would have run a fucking mile and the arabs would have had all the bargaining power in the world to tell them greedy carpetbagging bastards to step aside.
Going the game is human nature and god given right of the fan I accept that also, but I'm not a fan of impossible and we could definitely have fucked them off.
Incidentally even if you forget and forgive the past.... as of this moment right now.
Massive debt
No new stadium ( when is that arriving by the way? is it still important or were we just messing by saying it was vital to our future?)
No new players and a thin squad.
Lets not say we haven't got grounds for wanting them out because we do.
One game would have sufficed, one almighty horrible stink, the press would have had kittens.
RSBC would have run a fucking mile and the arabs would have had all the bargaining power in the world to tell them greedy carpetbagging bastards to step aside.
Going the game is human nature and god given right of the fan I accept that also, but I'm not a fan of impossible and we could definitely have fucked them off.
Incidentally even if you forget and forgive the past.... as of this moment right now.
Massive debt
No new stadium ( when is that arriving by the way? is it still important or were we just messing by saying it was vital to our future?)
No new players and a thin squad.
Lets not say we haven't got grounds for wanting them out because we do.
S
Squiggles
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934060#msg934060 date=1251467206]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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I don't think he feels the need to speak out about it TBH Mark, after this money making transfer window is shut, it's crystal clear to everyone what the yanks are up to.
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He's probably learned that mouthing off simply does no favours for himself, nor the club.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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I don't think he feels the need to speak out about it TBH Mark, after this money making transfer window is shut, it's crystal clear to everyone what the yanks are up to.
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He's probably learned that mouthing off simply does no favours for himself, nor the club.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934062#msg934062 date=1251467305]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934060#msg934060 date=1251467206]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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I don't think he feels the need to speak out about it TBH Mark, after this money making transfer window is shut, it's crystal clear to everyone what the yanks are up to.
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Yeah true, but he's pretty much the self appointed voice of the club now so you'd think he'd be inclined to make some point in the media, otherwise it'll just pass by and the American's can think they've practically got away with it.
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Maybe so mate, but i do seem to recall talk (it might be just that), about Rafa not being able to speak out about the 2 cunts anymore (written into his new contract).
Either way if things continue as they are, then things are going to get increasingly uncomfortable over the course of the season.
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934060#msg934060 date=1251467206]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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I don't think he feels the need to speak out about it TBH Mark, after this money making transfer window is shut, it's crystal clear to everyone what the yanks are up to.
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Yeah true, but he's pretty much the self appointed voice of the club now so you'd think he'd be inclined to make some point in the media, otherwise it'll just pass by and the American's can think they've practically got away with it.
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Maybe so mate, but i do seem to recall talk (it might be just that), about Rafa not being able to speak out about the 2 cunts anymore (written into his new contract).
Either way if things continue as they are, then things are going to get increasingly uncomfortable over the course of the season.
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35518.msg934071#msg934071 date=1251467903]
Good old Moron Moores. "George seemed like such a nice fella, you know worra mean? I didn't really meet Tommy but George said he was sound so, well, err, I just took 'is werd for it. 'eartbroken I am. 'eartbroken."
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Indeed.
I hope he is crying into his bank book.
If, as seems likely, we do not strengthen then I will be very suprised if Rafa says nothing, a contract clause to keep your mouth shut has got to be a bad sign surely?
I really really hope that the Yanks do the honourable and give it a go.... 4 days left.
Good old Moron Moores. "George seemed like such a nice fella, you know worra mean? I didn't really meet Tommy but George said he was sound so, well, err, I just took 'is werd for it. 'eartbroken I am. 'eartbroken."
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Indeed.
I hope he is crying into his bank book.
If, as seems likely, we do not strengthen then I will be very suprised if Rafa says nothing, a contract clause to keep your mouth shut has got to be a bad sign surely?
I really really hope that the Yanks do the honourable and give it a go.... 4 days left.
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35518.msg934066#msg934066 date=1251467664]
I'm not having a go at anyone Wilko so no need for the hyperbole, going to the game is important I understand that. I never suggested jacking in your season ticket and i'm not blaming the fans for having the wool pulled over their eyes I am saying that it was within our ower to make more meaningful protests than 500 SoS whoppers walking past a pub.
One game would have sufficed, one almighty horrible stink, the press would have had kittens.
RSBC would have run a fucking mile and the arabs would have had all the bargaining power in the world to tell them greedy carpetbagging bastards to step aside.
Going the game is human nature and god given right of the fan I accept that also, but I'm not a fan of impossible and we could definitely have fucked them off.
Incidentally even if you forget and forgive the past.... as of this moment right now.
Massive debt
No new stadium ( when is that arriving by the way? is it still important or were we just messing by saying it was vital to our future?)
No new players and a thin squad.
Lets not say we haven't got grounds for wanting them out because we do.
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You've changed your stance from stating the fans had the power to get the yank shite out to saying they had the power to make a more meaningful protest. There's a bit of a difference there, don't you think?
You don't have to justify why we should be against these bastards to me, I'm with you all the way. I was simply challenging your opinion that us fans had the power to get them out for three years. The problems only began to start around December when they were fucking around with Klinsmann and the team only clinched a spot in the CL knockout stage in the very last group game. I really don't think RBS could give a shite about a protest from the fans. They know the club makes enough to pay their high interest so what do they care if it comes from the transfer kitty?
I'm not having a go at anyone Wilko so no need for the hyperbole, going to the game is important I understand that. I never suggested jacking in your season ticket and i'm not blaming the fans for having the wool pulled over their eyes I am saying that it was within our ower to make more meaningful protests than 500 SoS whoppers walking past a pub.
One game would have sufficed, one almighty horrible stink, the press would have had kittens.
RSBC would have run a fucking mile and the arabs would have had all the bargaining power in the world to tell them greedy carpetbagging bastards to step aside.
Going the game is human nature and god given right of the fan I accept that also, but I'm not a fan of impossible and we could definitely have fucked them off.
Incidentally even if you forget and forgive the past.... as of this moment right now.
Massive debt
No new stadium ( when is that arriving by the way? is it still important or were we just messing by saying it was vital to our future?)
No new players and a thin squad.
Lets not say we haven't got grounds for wanting them out because we do.
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You've changed your stance from stating the fans had the power to get the yank shite out to saying they had the power to make a more meaningful protest. There's a bit of a difference there, don't you think?
You don't have to justify why we should be against these bastards to me, I'm with you all the way. I was simply challenging your opinion that us fans had the power to get them out for three years. The problems only began to start around December when they were fucking around with Klinsmann and the team only clinched a spot in the CL knockout stage in the very last group game. I really don't think RBS could give a shite about a protest from the fans. They know the club makes enough to pay their high interest so what do they care if it comes from the transfer kitty?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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It is very strange. He never usually holds back. Maybe they put a gagging order on his last contract lol
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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It is very strange. He never usually holds back. Maybe they put a gagging order on his last contract lol
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35518.msg934086#msg934086 date=1251469456]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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It is very strange. He never usually holds back. Maybe they put a gagging order on his last contract lol
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I wonder if that's the same contract that assured him of 20m this summer plus the proceeds from player sales?
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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It is very strange. He never usually holds back. Maybe they put a gagging order on his last contract lol
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I wonder if that's the same contract that assured him of 20m this summer plus the proceeds from player sales?
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=35518.msg934087#msg934087 date=1251469569]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35518.msg934086#msg934086 date=1251469456]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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It is very strange. He never usually holds back. Maybe they put a gagging order on his last contract lol
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I wonder if that's the same contract that assured him of 20m this summer plus the proceeds from player sales?
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If he did get one of those, the only possible conclusion would be is that they are only giving him the money from the first instalments for Xabi/Arb/Leto etc?
Or, that Rafa's a bit mad and doesn't think we need a forward?
[quote author=Mors link=topic=35518.msg934086#msg934086 date=1251469456]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35518.msg934053#msg934053 date=1251466803]
Rafa's silence over all of this is deafening, and very strange.
I wonder if he'll react differently once the transfer window closes?
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It is very strange. He never usually holds back. Maybe they put a gagging order on his last contract lol
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I wonder if that's the same contract that assured him of 20m this summer plus the proceeds from player sales?
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If he did get one of those, the only possible conclusion would be is that they are only giving him the money from the first instalments for Xabi/Arb/Leto etc?
Or, that Rafa's a bit mad and doesn't think we need a forward?
I haven't changed my stance at all wilko.... A meaningful protest with the aim of ridding ourselves of them two. Any placatory words or phrases i may have used were merely to get you into a discussion in which the words horse-shit need not be bandied about.
Even before the December it was apparent that there was trouble brewing when Rafa spat the dummy after Athens and we lost out on signings ( Rafas eye for signings is a different topic altogether i grant you).
I found it bemusing that the manager should recieve flack for that tbh, i hadn't noticed him being such an hysterical type beforehand.... maybe it was the owners eh....the owners who were already proven liars by then... th eowners who had already singularly failed to do what they said they could and were in discussion to sell to the people they gazumped. Theirs was a smash and grab raid on our clubs valuation which went horribly fucking wrong IMO.
My opinion is that a one game boycott at the most wobbly time would have caused them to bottle out, if not them the certainly the banks would have had at least some second thoughts.
I still think its a good idea in fact.
But that is with hindsight as mark says.
And i am glad to read you don't like em either.
From my point of view we were at our maximum last season and still didnt win it, we need strengthening, everybody knows it, everybody apart from our owners who seem not to give a fuck what we think.
Even before the December it was apparent that there was trouble brewing when Rafa spat the dummy after Athens and we lost out on signings ( Rafas eye for signings is a different topic altogether i grant you).
I found it bemusing that the manager should recieve flack for that tbh, i hadn't noticed him being such an hysterical type beforehand.... maybe it was the owners eh....the owners who were already proven liars by then... th eowners who had already singularly failed to do what they said they could and were in discussion to sell to the people they gazumped. Theirs was a smash and grab raid on our clubs valuation which went horribly fucking wrong IMO.
My opinion is that a one game boycott at the most wobbly time would have caused them to bottle out, if not them the certainly the banks would have had at least some second thoughts.
I still think its a good idea in fact.
But that is with hindsight as mark says.
And i am glad to read you don't like em either.
From my point of view we were at our maximum last season and still didnt win it, we need strengthening, everybody knows it, everybody apart from our owners who seem not to give a fuck what we think.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934057#msg934057 date=1251467051]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
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Thanks Dreambeliever
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After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
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I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934057#msg934057 date=1251467051]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
[/quote]
Thanks Dreambeliever
[/quote]
After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
[/quote]
I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934097#msg934097 date=1251471415]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934065#msg934065 date=1251467556]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934057#msg934057 date=1251467051]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
[/quote]
Thanks Dreambeliever
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After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
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I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
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The only positive aspect of the financial matters is that both Arsenal and United seem to be in that same boat as us. It's a very strange transfer window if 3 of the big 4 will actually end up with a negative net spend.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934057#msg934057 date=1251467051]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
[/quote]
Thanks Dreambeliever
[/quote]
After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
[/quote]
I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
[/quote]
The only positive aspect of the financial matters is that both Arsenal and United seem to be in that same boat as us. It's a very strange transfer window if 3 of the big 4 will actually end up with a negative net spend.
[quote author=Ossi link=topic=35518.msg933835#msg933835 date=1251442135]
Will we even sign any more players? I doubt it but if we had...let´s say 4-5m who would you want us to buy?
I´d go for Petrov from City. Hard working, great vision and passing.
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Petrov's not as good as Riera and Benitez won't pick him so what's the point?
Will we even sign any more players? I doubt it but if we had...let´s say 4-5m who would you want us to buy?
I´d go for Petrov from City. Hard working, great vision and passing.
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Petrov's not as good as Riera and Benitez won't pick him so what's the point?
S
Squiggles
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Because he's considerably better than Ryan Babel.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35518.msg934156#msg934156 date=1251479826]
Because he's considerably better than Ryan Babel.
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Benitez could nip down to Safeway and spend a few quid on a large sack of spuds whihc would have more impact at Left Wing than Babel.
PLease tell me our finances aren't so bad that we can't afford a sack of spuds?
Because he's considerably better than Ryan Babel.
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Benitez could nip down to Safeway and spend a few quid on a large sack of spuds whihc would have more impact at Left Wing than Babel.
PLease tell me our finances aren't so bad that we can't afford a sack of spuds?
[quote author=mark mc link=topic=35518.msg933943#msg933943 date=1251456085]
Rafa has had chances to sell certain players which I wont mention on here but has refused because even though we and rafa would like to see the back of these players rafa knows he wont see a fuckin penny as the Yanks are virtually asset stripping everything.Rafa wanted certain players in the Alonso deal but these two wankers wanted straight cash,I think you can work the rest out yourselves lads.
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Cheers Mark. It makes sense now why we never shipped Voronin out and havent used the Alonso cash.
However, Alonso aside, this is the same team who should have won the league last season but have already been beaten twice this season. Xabi is a big loss and its obvious the effect its had on our play. However, we should not be doing so poorly.
If we have no cash, then we really need to start bringing through youth players and giving them their chance.
Rafa has had chances to sell certain players which I wont mention on here but has refused because even though we and rafa would like to see the back of these players rafa knows he wont see a fuckin penny as the Yanks are virtually asset stripping everything.Rafa wanted certain players in the Alonso deal but these two wankers wanted straight cash,I think you can work the rest out yourselves lads.
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Cheers Mark. It makes sense now why we never shipped Voronin out and havent used the Alonso cash.
However, Alonso aside, this is the same team who should have won the league last season but have already been beaten twice this season. Xabi is a big loss and its obvious the effect its had on our play. However, we should not be doing so poorly.
If we have no cash, then we really need to start bringing through youth players and giving them their chance.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934057#msg934057 date=1251467051]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
[/quote]
Thanks Dreambeliever
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After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
[/quote]
I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
[/quote]
The only positive aspect of the financial matters is that both Arsenal and United seem to be in that same boat as us. It's a very strange transfer window if 3 of the big 4 will actually end up with a negative net spend.
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they most certainly are not in the same boat as us are they..... Old Trafford and Emirates.
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=35518.msg934057#msg934057 date=1251467051]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
[/quote]
Thanks Dreambeliever
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After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
[/quote]
I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
[/quote]
The only positive aspect of the financial matters is that both Arsenal and United seem to be in that same boat as us. It's a very strange transfer window if 3 of the big 4 will actually end up with a negative net spend.
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they most certainly are not in the same boat as us are they..... Old Trafford and Emirates.
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[quote author=Tinto link=topic=35518.msg934104#msg934104 date=1251473146]
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
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Thanks Dreambeliever
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After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
[/quote]
I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
[/quote]
The only positive aspect of the financial matters is that both Arsenal and United seem to be in that same boat as us. It's a very strange transfer window if 3 of the big 4 will actually end up with a negative net spend.
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they most certainly are not in the same boat as us are they..... Old Trafford and Emirates.
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Their stadiums haven't let them have a positive net spend this summer, has it?
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35518.msg934055#msg934055 date=1251466942]
Am i right in thinking that we we have to pay another huge amount off of our debt next year as well?
If so then it's either Mascher, Torres or SG gone, or they'll have sold off by then.
[/quote]
Thanks Dreambeliever
[/quote]
After what we've seen this summer, it's difficult to stay positive on this aspect of our club LTW.
[/quote]
I don't want to be on a site where Rafa4PM is losing all optimism ... say it ain't so ... say it ain't so.
[/quote]
The only positive aspect of the financial matters is that both Arsenal and United seem to be in that same boat as us. It's a very strange transfer window if 3 of the big 4 will actually end up with a negative net spend.
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they most certainly are not in the same boat as us are they..... Old Trafford and Emirates.
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Their stadiums haven't let them have a positive net spend this summer, has it?
S
Squiggles
Guest
No but their long term future is much more secure than ours because of their stadiums.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35518.msg934401#msg934401 date=1251542556]
No but their long term future is much more secure than ours because of their stadiums.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
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Yeah, there's no doubt about their long term future, Arsenal's in particular... but their spending on players has been constrained for the last 5 years or so. How long will it be until they benefit from their stadium though? Another 5? 10? or 20?
If we do end up building our stadium, our spending will be similarly constrained too.
A new stadium isn't a magic bullet that will suddenly make us more competitive in the transfer market... not until a large chunk of the building cost is paid off at least.
No but their long term future is much more secure than ours because of their stadiums.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
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Yeah, there's no doubt about their long term future, Arsenal's in particular... but their spending on players has been constrained for the last 5 years or so. How long will it be until they benefit from their stadium though? Another 5? 10? or 20?
If we do end up building our stadium, our spending will be similarly constrained too.
A new stadium isn't a magic bullet that will suddenly make us more competitive in the transfer market... not until a large chunk of the building cost is paid off at least.
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No but their long term future is much more secure than ours because of their stadiums.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
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Indeed.
No but their long term future is much more secure than ours because of their stadiums.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
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Indeed.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35518.msg934401#msg934401 date=1251542556]
No but their long term future is much more secure than ours because of their stadiums.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
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Yeah, there's no doubt about their long term future, Arsenal's in particular... but their spending on players has been constrained for the last 5 years or so. How long will it be until they benefit from their stadium though? Another 5? 10? or 20?
If we do end up building our stadium, our spending will be similarly constrained too.
A new stadium isn't a magic bullet that will suddenly make us more competitive in the transfer market... not until a large chunk of the building cost is paid off at least.
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I take your point its a long term thing Tinto but it being a long term thing doesn't actually make it any better does it? To say we are in the same boat stretches only as far as to say we are all football clubs in the prem. Financially speaking we are currently hugely in debt just like Arsenal but without the extra income, in order to have that extra income we will need to borrow even more, they do not.
Obviously not really the same boat IMO.
Also interesting to note is that on numerous occasions Arsenal board members have insisted that they would be willing to fund big spending should Wenger wish, what would you do if i gave you 100M etc etc today our chief exec states that we have backed Rafa this summer when we blatantly have not.
We are far far more fucked than Arsenal.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35518.msg934401#msg934401 date=1251542556]
No but their long term future is much more secure than ours because of their stadiums.
Arsenal aren't spending much because of their stadium costs, and I'd much rather be in their position than ours.
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Yeah, there's no doubt about their long term future, Arsenal's in particular... but their spending on players has been constrained for the last 5 years or so. How long will it be until they benefit from their stadium though? Another 5? 10? or 20?
If we do end up building our stadium, our spending will be similarly constrained too.
A new stadium isn't a magic bullet that will suddenly make us more competitive in the transfer market... not until a large chunk of the building cost is paid off at least.
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I take your point its a long term thing Tinto but it being a long term thing doesn't actually make it any better does it? To say we are in the same boat stretches only as far as to say we are all football clubs in the prem. Financially speaking we are currently hugely in debt just like Arsenal but without the extra income, in order to have that extra income we will need to borrow even more, they do not.
Obviously not really the same boat IMO.
Also interesting to note is that on numerous occasions Arsenal board members have insisted that they would be willing to fund big spending should Wenger wish, what would you do if i gave you 100M etc etc today our chief exec states that we have backed Rafa this summer when we blatantly have not.
We are far far more fucked than Arsenal.
Arsenal were relying on selling property built on their old stadium to service their debts for the new stadium. The credit crunch put paid to that plan. They're effectively broke like we are.
Our loan from RBS is a short term loan needing to be paid back annually by the sound of things. If we or the Americans if you prefer become desperate, they could stretch the repayments over a number of years... obviously paying more overall but less per year. United have already done this already I believe.
Our loan from RBS is a short term loan needing to be paid back annually by the sound of things. If we or the Americans if you prefer become desperate, they could stretch the repayments over a number of years... obviously paying more overall but less per year. United have already done this already I believe.
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The Arsenal thing is a complete lie Molby. Arsenal board members blocked funds from being invested.
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?I didn't make it up Ros i definitely read that somewhere although I grant you it was not this season, 12 months back maybe, the stadium had been built either way. They always seem to get the players they want dont they? But then thats as much a criticism of Rafa and the Yanks as it is a compliment for Wenger.
Either way you cut it it is just being contrary,It is absurd to suggest that Arsenal are in the same position as us, they are not they have big debts and the big shiny new stadium to pay for it we have big debts and do not.
That is as Rafa would point out a fact.
EDIT i did try and find the Wenger quote to prove i wasnt making it up but all i could find was from some obscure japanese newspaper... i do remember reading it here tho...
The Arsenal board asked Wenger what he would do if he was given £100 million to spend. He replied that he would give it back.
"I only spend money if it is necessary," he said. "When you feel you have a good team you don't necessarily want to spend it. It's nice to have in an emergency. but you must spend it wisely."
He may or may not be the best coach but in many respects Wenger is unique
The Arsenal thing is a complete lie Molby. Arsenal board members blocked funds from being invested.
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?I didn't make it up Ros i definitely read that somewhere although I grant you it was not this season, 12 months back maybe, the stadium had been built either way. They always seem to get the players they want dont they? But then thats as much a criticism of Rafa and the Yanks as it is a compliment for Wenger.
Either way you cut it it is just being contrary,It is absurd to suggest that Arsenal are in the same position as us, they are not they have big debts and the big shiny new stadium to pay for it we have big debts and do not.
That is as Rafa would point out a fact.
EDIT i did try and find the Wenger quote to prove i wasnt making it up but all i could find was from some obscure japanese newspaper... i do remember reading it here tho...
The Arsenal board asked Wenger what he would do if he was given £100 million to spend. He replied that he would give it back.
"I only spend money if it is necessary," he said. "When you feel you have a good team you don't necessarily want to spend it. It's nice to have in an emergency. but you must spend it wisely."
He may or may not be the best coach but in many respects Wenger is unique
Arsenal are broke Molby... there's no two ways about it. In the short term and perhaps to the medium term depending when the recession ends, they are in the same boat as us. Admittedly they are better off in the long term if we carry on as we are with these short term loans.
At the start of this summer, one of their shareholders wanted to raise capital to invest in the team with a share issue but the other shareholders refused, arguing they didn't want use a long term solution to solve a short term credit problem.
They've made money on the sale of their players this summer and last... that has gone to pay their debts.
At the start of this summer, one of their shareholders wanted to raise capital to invest in the team with a share issue but the other shareholders refused, arguing they didn't want use a long term solution to solve a short term credit problem.
They've made money on the sale of their players this summer and last... that has gone to pay their debts.
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