I guess Moses is going back to Chelsea in January ...
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If that is the only change I'd be both surprised and seriously disappointed.
Don't worry - we're not selling Agger, at least not unless we get the 20 million (or 15 million + Batra!)
I want Sakho
The simple point I was getting at was if he looked so out of sorts on Sunday I don't expect a two day turnaround to have done anything to change that.
Do you know how boring it is to see you get the wrong end of the stick all the time ?
Where does this nonsense that Gerrard doesn't have the legs to play in the forward line?
Midfielders generally cover the most ground - so if anything he doesn't have the legs for the position he's currently locked in to.
I know it'll not happen, but we'd be a much better side if Lucas & Henderson/Allen occupied the 2 deeper midfield positions & Gerrard joined Coutinho and "somebody else" in the attacking line just behind Suarez.
There's even a case for playing Coutinho in the centre with Gerrard to his right - stick Sterling/ Ibe/Moses to the left - you know, where they're kind if used to playing.
Gerrard in the centre, Coutinho to the left & Sterling to the right also works for me.
I know Sterling & Moses have been poor, but they also have had little chance for consistency in their game - having been benched or played in different positions. They could probably do with a consistent run for a few games.
Midfielders generally cover the most ground - so if anything he doesn't have the legs for the position he's currently locked in to.
I know it'll not happen, but we'd be a much better side if Lucas & Henderson/Allen occupied the 2 deeper midfield positions & Gerrard joined Coutinho and "somebody else" in the attacking line just behind Suarez.
There's even a case for playing Coutinho in the centre with Gerrard to his right - stick Sterling/ Ibe/Moses to the left - you know, where they're kind if used to playing.
Gerrard in the centre, Coutinho to the left & Sterling to the right also works for me.
I know Sterling & Moses have been poor, but they also have had little chance for consistency in their game - having been benched or played in different positions. They could probably do with a consistent run for a few games.
State the fucking obvious then!
Why not - if it's not a physical problem, then it's either a tactical or mental problem.
Like I said in the match thread, I'd be fucking depressed if I saw Moses, Henderson & Sterling line up as my attacking midfield support.
Allen has no-one to the side, who's he gonna pass to?
Daniel Agger, the Liverpool centre back, has been told to place a greater emphasis on his defending by Brendan Rodgers, the manager, ahead of the Barclays Premier League match against Norwich City on Wednesday night.
The Denmark international was dropped after a disappointing display in the Merseyside derby against Everton and replaced by Kolo Toure for Liverpool’s last fixture, a 3-1 defeat against Hull City.
Rodgers has previously spoke in glowing terms about Agger’s quality on the ball, but the manager hinted at reservations about the player’s ability to cope with the physical threat posed by opposition strikers.
Agger, who was the subject of interest from Barcelona in the summer, has looked particularly suspect in the air on occasions and that has perhaps explained Rodgers’ preference for Toure, given the experienced Ivorian’s commanding presence.
“The first thing you have to do is defend,” Rodgers said, when asked about the decision to drop Agger. “The first attribute isn’t about the ball. It is to defend. When you can defend, you then look to build the game from there.
“I just felt we have struggled at times against big physical opponents so Toure has obviously coped well with that type of player.
“So that was the idea, putting him against Hull, and obviously [Martin] Skrtel has been excellent since coming in. It was simply tactical.”
Rodgers also confessed to being uncertain as to his first-choice centre back partnership having signed Toure on a free transfer in addition to a combined £25m spent on Mamadou Sakho and Tiago Ilori, the young Portuguese player.
Doubts remain over whether Agger and Martin Skrtel can work together as a partnership even though the pair have been at the club since 2008. Rodgers elected to use Jamie Carragher at the heart of Liverpool’s defence last season, before the former England international retired in the summer.
Rodgers accepted that he must strive to get a settled backline rather than chopping and changing all the time.
“It is something I need to look at in order to get that consistency,” Rodgers added “The last couple of games we were disappointed with the goals at Everton and obviously we made mistakes. So that has been the difficulty for us, getting that balance, the partnership that could cope with all types of strikers.
“There has been lots of change, and some of that has been down to me, knowing every game is an absolute cup final for us.
“If I feel I have need to change it going into a game to get a result, then I will do. But of course I also need to look at it from the coaching perspective as well, that that little run in the team might breed the consistency to the defence even though we have had to change it.”
The Denmark international was dropped after a disappointing display in the Merseyside derby against Everton and replaced by Kolo Toure for Liverpool’s last fixture, a 3-1 defeat against Hull City.
Rodgers has previously spoke in glowing terms about Agger’s quality on the ball, but the manager hinted at reservations about the player’s ability to cope with the physical threat posed by opposition strikers.
Agger, who was the subject of interest from Barcelona in the summer, has looked particularly suspect in the air on occasions and that has perhaps explained Rodgers’ preference for Toure, given the experienced Ivorian’s commanding presence.
“The first thing you have to do is defend,” Rodgers said, when asked about the decision to drop Agger. “The first attribute isn’t about the ball. It is to defend. When you can defend, you then look to build the game from there.
“I just felt we have struggled at times against big physical opponents so Toure has obviously coped well with that type of player.
“So that was the idea, putting him against Hull, and obviously [Martin] Skrtel has been excellent since coming in. It was simply tactical.”
Rodgers also confessed to being uncertain as to his first-choice centre back partnership having signed Toure on a free transfer in addition to a combined £25m spent on Mamadou Sakho and Tiago Ilori, the young Portuguese player.
Doubts remain over whether Agger and Martin Skrtel can work together as a partnership even though the pair have been at the club since 2008. Rodgers elected to use Jamie Carragher at the heart of Liverpool’s defence last season, before the former England international retired in the summer.
Rodgers accepted that he must strive to get a settled backline rather than chopping and changing all the time.
“It is something I need to look at in order to get that consistency,” Rodgers added “The last couple of games we were disappointed with the goals at Everton and obviously we made mistakes. So that has been the difficulty for us, getting that balance, the partnership that could cope with all types of strikers.
“There has been lots of change, and some of that has been down to me, knowing every game is an absolute cup final for us.
“If I feel I have need to change it going into a game to get a result, then I will do. But of course I also need to look at it from the coaching perspective as well, that that little run in the team might breed the consistency to the defence even though we have had to change it.”
He deserves to, but I can't see it happening purely on the size of the squad. I guess if Rodgers manages to pick someone up for that attacking midfielder role, then he might not be seeing too many games.
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What a load of bollocks.
Why is it that the manager completely overlooks the fact that if we get our game together and play as a unit to our best players strengths (from the back Agger and Johnson in particular) our way of attack and possession based play is a much better defense, than when he tries to be clever and swap Toure with Agger to mark some Hull player that is strong in physique and revert to counter tactics out of fear/cleverness?
Why is it that Rodgers doesn't at least acknowledge and learn from the fact that Agger is the only central defender in our team that has been present in all 4 clean sheets this Season? And has also got the most clean sheets of all Premiership defenders in the past 1½ Season now?
Why on earth does he suddenly have to move focus to Agger's "lack of physique" when his attributes, such as composure, calmness, positioning, anticipation and skill on the ball are extremely beneficial to our team?
Why does he constantly need to bring up how brilliant Skrtel is, ever since he started doing that he has been shaky and directly involved in goals.
Rodgers, get a grip.
I agree with Aspas ... I feel if he scores tonight, the story will be very different for him ... If he doesn't, can't see him turning around this miserable run for him.
ROY RODGERS!!!
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Can you, just on top of your head, tell me how many goals Agger has costed us this Season?
What headers is it that he has lost that have resulted in goals?
I may have a ruined memory so please enlighten me
Then you can ask me the same with regards to the rest of them and I will give you a low-down.
I have no idea why he is trying to make Agger a scape-goat and to be honest, it pisses me right off, it is completely unfair.
Yes, weirdly I still haven't given up on him. It would have helped him if he'd been sent to the ressies for a couple of games with the instruction to go out, get some goals and enjoy himself, but it doesn't work like that these days so as you say it probably comes down to him getting a break tonight.
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Roy Hodgson did the exact same thing, agreed.
Maybe it will turn out better for this manager in the long run, fact of the matter is, what I thought was going to be a breath of fresh air in terms of style and play - with a manager that loved possessions based, attacking-minded football and the players thriving from this style of play - are now turning into a circus of excuses and long ball tactics against the Hulls of this world.
Roy Rodgers indeed.
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