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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378329#msg1378329 date=1313094653]
hopefully this gets the ball rolling with cahill
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If N'Gog goes, I reckon we'll bring someone else in......
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Higuaín.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378329#msg1378329 date=1313094653]
hopefully this gets the ball rolling with cahill
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If N'Gog goes, I reckon we'll bring someone else in......
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Higuaín.
[quote author=vantage link=topic=42595.msg1378332#msg1378332 date=1313094782]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378329#msg1378329 date=1313094653]
hopefully this gets the ball rolling with cahill
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If N'Gog goes, I reckon we'll bring someone else in......
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If he stays I think we would V
regards
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378329#msg1378329 date=1313094653]
hopefully this gets the ball rolling with cahill
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If N'Gog goes, I reckon we'll bring someone else in......
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If he stays I think we would V
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sell ngog
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42595.msg1375711#msg1375711 date=1312718406]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=42595.msg1375663#msg1375663 date=1312709637]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42595.msg1375649#msg1375649 date=1312708267]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=42595.msg1375647#msg1375647 date=1312708165]
N'Gog will score the odd eye-catching goal, but he'll squander half a dozen easy chances before it. Would anyone back him to score in a crucial one-on-one with the keeper in a tight game? I wouldn't.
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Like in a 1-0 lead over the Champions at home? hmmm......
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That's more the exception than the rule though, isn't it?
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That's more avoiding the fact that your point has been rubbished, isn't it?
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Errrrr... no. Surprisingly, you seem to have missed the point. That is, that N'Gog misses many more opportunities than he scores. Ergo, he's more likely to miss than score. Which makes my question a perfectly legitimate one.
It's like saying you wouldn't back Steven Gerrard to score an important penalty because he missed against Blackburn - it's completely ignoring the weight of evidence to the contrary.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42595.msg1375649#msg1375649 date=1312708267]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=42595.msg1375647#msg1375647 date=1312708165]
N'Gog will score the odd eye-catching goal, but he'll squander half a dozen easy chances before it. Would anyone back him to score in a crucial one-on-one with the keeper in a tight game? I wouldn't.
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Like in a 1-0 lead over the Champions at home? hmmm......
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That's more the exception than the rule though, isn't it?
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That's more avoiding the fact that your point has been rubbished, isn't it?
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Errrrr... no. Surprisingly, you seem to have missed the point. That is, that N'Gog misses many more opportunities than he scores. Ergo, he's more likely to miss than score. Which makes my question a perfectly legitimate one.
It's like saying you wouldn't back Steven Gerrard to score an important penalty because he missed against Blackburn - it's completely ignoring the weight of evidence to the contrary.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378341#msg1378341 date=1313095774]
sell ngog
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
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What are you on about ? We only have three strikers - if N'Gog goes we must have another proven striker as back-up, you can't promote a player who hasn't played a single game for the first team as our #3 striker.
sell ngog
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
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What are you on about ? We only have three strikers - if N'Gog goes we must have another proven striker as back-up, you can't promote a player who hasn't played a single game for the first team as our #3 striker.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42595.msg1378465#msg1378465 date=1313127604]
Why ?
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Dunno, but I'm guessing it's because we want more.
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Daily Express reporter
BOLTON are set to increase their offer for Liverpool striker David Ngog after having a £3.5m bid rejected yesterday.
Why ?
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Dunno, but I'm guessing it's because we want more.
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Daily Express reporter
BOLTON are set to increase their offer for Liverpool striker David Ngog after having a £3.5m bid rejected yesterday.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42595.msg1378465#msg1378465 date=1313127604]
Why ?
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because we know we can get more.
Why ?
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because we know we can get more.
He'd be worth keeping as back up if he is prepared for that. He's not a bad player and does seem to improve.
However, he doesn't have long on his contract and would surely prefer 1st team football so we might be best off getting a fee while we can IF we need it.
We don't know what the deal is with our finances. It could well be that we have to get something in to pay for a new centre back for example. If that is the case and the only offer on the table is for ngog then he's worth sacrificing.
However, he doesn't have long on his contract and would surely prefer 1st team football so we might be best off getting a fee while we can IF we need it.
We don't know what the deal is with our finances. It could well be that we have to get something in to pay for a new centre back for example. If that is the case and the only offer on the table is for ngog then he's worth sacrificing.
suarez, carroll kuyt
gerrard maxi
aqua cole (if they aren't sold) - can play off the front man
if ngog moving helps us secure a CB then I'm all for it and I'm not bothered if ngog isn't replaced. also worth mentioning there is no european football this season.
gerrard maxi
aqua cole (if they aren't sold) - can play off the front man
if ngog moving helps us secure a CB then I'm all for it and I'm not bothered if ngog isn't replaced. also worth mentioning there is no european football this season.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378341#msg1378341 date=1313095774]
sell ngog
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
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We still need another striker if N'Gog goes, I'm surprised people think we don't. Kuyt and Carroll are too similar and lack real pace, I'm not saying they're slow, but their movement isn't the same as Suarez, or even N'Gog's. If Suarez isn't there it's a massive issue, as we've seen sometimes during preseason, especially as we still haven't got anything with genuine pace on the right or in the middle either.
sell ngog
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
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We still need another striker if N'Gog goes, I'm surprised people think we don't. Kuyt and Carroll are too similar and lack real pace, I'm not saying they're slow, but their movement isn't the same as Suarez, or even N'Gog's. If Suarez isn't there it's a massive issue, as we've seen sometimes during preseason, especially as we still haven't got anything with genuine pace on the right or in the middle either.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378493#msg1378493 date=1313136492]
It would be hard to find that 4th striker who would find it hard to even make the bench at times though Mark. Would like Rodallega here. Even Defoe would be good.
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I still think Kuyt will spend alot of time on the right, Henderson doesn't look too comfortable there to me and he seems to have played mostly in the middle pre-season. I agree though, it's hard to get someone who knows they will be 3rd/4th choice, and if the fee for N'Gog is the talked about £3m-ish, I'd rather just keep him as back up, if he's happy to obv.
It would be hard to find that 4th striker who would find it hard to even make the bench at times though Mark. Would like Rodallega here. Even Defoe would be good.
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I still think Kuyt will spend alot of time on the right, Henderson doesn't look too comfortable there to me and he seems to have played mostly in the middle pre-season. I agree though, it's hard to get someone who knows they will be 3rd/4th choice, and if the fee for N'Gog is the talked about £3m-ish, I'd rather just keep him as back up, if he's happy to obv.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42595.msg1378489#msg1378489 date=1313136342]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378341#msg1378341 date=1313095774]
sell ngog
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
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We still need another striker if N'Gog goes, I'm surprised people think we don't. Kuyt and Carroll are too similar and lack real pace, I'm not saying they're slow, but their movement isn't the same as Suarez, or even N'Gog's. If Suarez isn't there it's a massive issue, as we've seen sometimes during preseason, especially as we still haven't got anything with genuine pace on the right or in the middle either.
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kuyt and carroll are similar, okay, what?
there is nothing to suggest that we will play kuyt, carroll and suarez consistently together so we are talking 3 strikers to fill two positions with us playing one game a week.
also as I said before, there are midfielders that can double as a support striker. gerrard had his most prolific season ever playing off torres.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378341#msg1378341 date=1313095774]
sell ngog
sign cahill
use henderson at right midfield
use kuyt as a striker or drop him down to the bench
no need for a 4th striker
if you must have a 4th choice striker then use morgan from the reserves.
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We still need another striker if N'Gog goes, I'm surprised people think we don't. Kuyt and Carroll are too similar and lack real pace, I'm not saying they're slow, but their movement isn't the same as Suarez, or even N'Gog's. If Suarez isn't there it's a massive issue, as we've seen sometimes during preseason, especially as we still haven't got anything with genuine pace on the right or in the middle either.
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kuyt and carroll are similar, okay, what?
there is nothing to suggest that we will play kuyt, carroll and suarez consistently together so we are talking 3 strikers to fill two positions with us playing one game a week.
also as I said before, there are midfielders that can double as a support striker. gerrard had his most prolific season ever playing off torres.
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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like morgan. if we have money then spend it on quality if not don't waste it on a clogger happy to sit on the bench, we may as well have kept jove.
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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like morgan. if we have money then spend it on quality if not don't waste it on a clogger happy to sit on the bench, we may as well have kept jove.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378497#msg1378497 date=1313136803]
also as I said before, there are midfielders that can double as a support striker. gerrard had his most prolific season ever playing off Torres.
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You just missed the point completely. Yes Gerrard had a great season playing off Torres, when Torres was there, what happens when Suarez isn't there?
Your the one who's moaned alot about route one football, if Carroll is up there alone I think that's what we're in danger of getting, we need a stand in for when Suarez isn't there, it's great we've now got options but the option is Suarez or Carroll/Kuyt, take Suarez out the equation and it looks alot less pretty.
also as I said before, there are midfielders that can double as a support striker. gerrard had his most prolific season ever playing off Torres.
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You just missed the point completely. Yes Gerrard had a great season playing off Torres, when Torres was there, what happens when Suarez isn't there?
Your the one who's moaned alot about route one football, if Carroll is up there alone I think that's what we're in danger of getting, we need a stand in for when Suarez isn't there, it's great we've now got options but the option is Suarez or Carroll/Kuyt, take Suarez out the equation and it looks alot less pretty.
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A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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like morgan. if we have money then spend it on quality if not don't waste it on a clogger happy to sit on the bench, we may as well have kept jove.
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No one knows what Morgan is like at this level, it's like all those people who were saying we could rely on Kelly as back up centre back, he's never played there at this level! I appreciate they need a chance to prove themselves, but the fact is they're an unknown commodity, N'Gog was the back up last season, not Jova so it's an unfair comparison, he played a fair bit and contributed several goals, that's what we'll lose if he goes and those 8 goals a season CAN be the difference.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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like morgan. if we have money then spend it on quality if not don't waste it on a clogger happy to sit on the bench, we may as well have kept jove.
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No one knows what Morgan is like at this level, it's like all those people who were saying we could rely on Kelly as back up centre back, he's never played there at this level! I appreciate they need a chance to prove themselves, but the fact is they're an unknown commodity, N'Gog was the back up last season, not Jova so it's an unfair comparison, he played a fair bit and contributed several goals, that's what we'll lose if he goes and those 8 goals a season CAN be the difference.
If kenny and co bring in a CB then whoever comes in after that is neither here nor there to me, also 4m is way too good a fee to turn down for a 4th choice striker.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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Agree wholeheartedly. And to clarify, N'Gog doesn't fall under the 2nd category. You only have to look at the teams above us for an idea of what's needed. Utd have the likes of Welbeck and Owen as their fourth and fifth choice strikers. Chelsea have the likes of Kalou and Sturridge. Arsenal are less well-equipped in that area but still have a very talented young striker in Vela to call upon. Tottenham still have Robbie Keane, and Citeh, well, that's just ridiculous.
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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Agree wholeheartedly. And to clarify, N'Gog doesn't fall under the 2nd category. You only have to look at the teams above us for an idea of what's needed. Utd have the likes of Welbeck and Owen as their fourth and fifth choice strikers. Chelsea have the likes of Kalou and Sturridge. Arsenal are less well-equipped in that area but still have a very talented young striker in Vela to call upon. Tottenham still have Robbie Keane, and Citeh, well, that's just ridiculous.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378501#msg1378501 date=1313137065]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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like morgan. if we have money then spend it on quality if not don't waste it on a clogger happy to sit on the bench, we may as well have kept jove.
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No one knows what Morgan is like at this level, it's like all those people who were saying we could rely on Kelly as back up centre back, he's never played there at this level! I appreciate they need a chance to prove themselves, but the fact is they're an unknown commodity, N'Gog was the back up last season, not Jova so it's an unfair comparison, he played a fair bit and contributed several goals, that's what we'll lose if he goes and those 8 goals a season CAN be the difference.
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Most of his goals have come in cup competitions against weak opposition (and we obviously haven't one of those for a while). He managed 2 goals in 25 Premier League appearances last season. I reckon we could just about live without that, particularly if his replacement managed, say, 4 or 5 goals in the league.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42595.msg1378501#msg1378501 date=1313137065]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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like morgan. if we have money then spend it on quality if not don't waste it on a clogger happy to sit on the bench, we may as well have kept jove.
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No one knows what Morgan is like at this level, it's like all those people who were saying we could rely on Kelly as back up centre back, he's never played there at this level! I appreciate they need a chance to prove themselves, but the fact is they're an unknown commodity, N'Gog was the back up last season, not Jova so it's an unfair comparison, he played a fair bit and contributed several goals, that's what we'll lose if he goes and those 8 goals a season CAN be the difference.
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Most of his goals have come in cup competitions against weak opposition (and we obviously haven't one of those for a while). He managed 2 goals in 25 Premier League appearances last season. I reckon we could just about live without that, particularly if his replacement managed, say, 4 or 5 goals in the league.
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[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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Agree wholeheartedly. And to clarify, N'Gog doesn't fall under the 2nd category. You only have to look at the teams above us for an idea of what's needed. Utd have the likes of Welbeck and Owen as their fourth and fifth choice strikers. Chelsea have the likes of Kalou and Sturridge. Arsenal are less well-equipped in that area but still have a very talented young striker in Vela to call upon. Tottenham still have Robbie Keane, and Citeh, well, that's just ridiculous.
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I'm not particularly advocating keeping N'Gog, the point is still valid though, we need a 3rd/4th choice and letting N'Gog go and not having anything beyond Suarez/Carroll/Kuyt would be damaging should anything happen to Suarez.
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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Agree wholeheartedly. And to clarify, N'Gog doesn't fall under the 2nd category. You only have to look at the teams above us for an idea of what's needed. Utd have the likes of Welbeck and Owen as their fourth and fifth choice strikers. Chelsea have the likes of Kalou and Sturridge. Arsenal are less well-equipped in that area but still have a very talented young striker in Vela to call upon. Tottenham still have Robbie Keane, and Citeh, well, that's just ridiculous.
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I'm not particularly advocating keeping N'Gog, the point is still valid though, we need a 3rd/4th choice and letting N'Gog go and not having anything beyond Suarez/Carroll/Kuyt would be damaging should anything happen to Suarez.
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=42595.msg1378513#msg1378513 date=1313138328]
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=42595.msg1378499#msg1378499 date=1313136952]
A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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Agree wholeheartedly. And to clarify, N'Gog doesn't fall under the 2nd category. You only have to look at the teams above us for an idea of what's needed. Utd have the likes of Welbeck and Owen as their fourth and fifth choice strikers. Chelsea have the likes of Kalou and Sturridge. Arsenal are less well-equipped in that area but still have a very talented young striker in Vela to call upon. Tottenham still have Robbie Keane, and Citeh, well, that's just ridiculous.
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I'm not particularly advocating keeping N'Gog, the point is still valid though, we need a 3rd/4th choice and letting N'Gog go and not having anything beyond Suarez/Carroll/Kuyt would be damaging should anything happen to Suarez.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
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A 4th choice striker would most likely be a veteran entering the twilight of his career who has no international ambitions and would be happy sitting on a bench, or a young striker who is still raw and has potential but is happy to sit on the bench for experience. Not sure if Ngog falls under the 2nd category.
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Agree wholeheartedly. And to clarify, N'Gog doesn't fall under the 2nd category. You only have to look at the teams above us for an idea of what's needed. Utd have the likes of Welbeck and Owen as their fourth and fifth choice strikers. Chelsea have the likes of Kalou and Sturridge. Arsenal are less well-equipped in that area but still have a very talented young striker in Vela to call upon. Tottenham still have Robbie Keane, and Citeh, well, that's just ridiculous.
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I'm not particularly advocating keeping N'Gog, the point is still valid though, we need a 3rd/4th choice and letting N'Gog go and not having anything beyond Suarez/Carroll/Kuyt would be damaging should anything happen to Suarez.
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Yeah, I agree with that.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42595.msg1378500#msg1378500 date=1313137033]
They're both like old style centre forwards Neil.
Good in the air? TICK
Good hold up play? TICK
Workhards? TICK
Lacking genuine pace? TICK
It's not that hard to figure out, there's a difference between them two and Suarez or even N'Gog, they're too similar.
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I am not sure Carroll does lack pace to be honest Mark. There was a discussion about this in the Valencia thread after he scored his goal. He looked like a fucking steam train then. He may lack it over five yards and he may look a bit lumbering due to the fact he is built like a brick shit house, but I think he does have pace.
Anyway as I have said for year , we have been left far too exposed in the striker area for years. We should have three top strikers and a decent option as back up. As DHSC siad the issue is keeping three top strikers happy if they are not getting games, and he is right we need someone who is happy to sit on the bench and wait his chance, a decent player around thirty or early thirties who has spent most of his career in a mid table sort of team or dropping down the pecking order in a good team, or a young up and coming star, Connor Wickham would have done in that category . Can't think of anyone there other than perhaps an Anelka type player.
Fourth option could be Dirk and start bringing Morgan through
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They're both like old style centre forwards Neil.
Good in the air? TICK
Good hold up play? TICK
Workhards? TICK
Lacking genuine pace? TICK
It's not that hard to figure out, there's a difference between them two and Suarez or even N'Gog, they're too similar.
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I am not sure Carroll does lack pace to be honest Mark. There was a discussion about this in the Valencia thread after he scored his goal. He looked like a fucking steam train then. He may lack it over five yards and he may look a bit lumbering due to the fact he is built like a brick shit house, but I think he does have pace.
Anyway as I have said for year , we have been left far too exposed in the striker area for years. We should have three top strikers and a decent option as back up. As DHSC siad the issue is keeping three top strikers happy if they are not getting games, and he is right we need someone who is happy to sit on the bench and wait his chance, a decent player around thirty or early thirties who has spent most of his career in a mid table sort of team or dropping down the pecking order in a good team, or a young up and coming star, Connor Wickham would have done in that category . Can't think of anyone there other than perhaps an Anelka type player.
Fourth option could be Dirk and start bringing Morgan through
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