New Manager?

[mark1975]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40461.msg1114239#msg1114239 date=1275822652]
Coaching philosophy
In his book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), Lippi outlined his coaching philosophy. First and foremost, Lippi emphasizes the importance of team spirit and team unity. Lippi likens a psychologically well integrated football team to the functioning of a psychologically healthy family. On the strategic aspect of coaching, Lippi emphasizes the importance of the mutual relations between players. Players must all follow the same plan and play for each other, "not" for themselves. Importantly, Lippi argues that "a group of the best players do not necessarily make for the best team." What is more important, he argues, is that the tactical plan or formation is one that allows each player to maximize (1) their utility for their teammates and (2) the expression of their full potential. Moreover, Lippi also notes that the choice of tactical formation is necessarily constrained by the qualities of the players available. Thus, selecting the best possible team not only requires finding the right combination of players for the chosen formation, but also finding right formation for the chosen players. Hence the title of his book, A Game of Ideas.


[/quote]

Yeah but does he put more emphasis on defence or attack???!! 😀

Interesting stuff anyway, especially regarding formation and suitability of players, the 'basics'.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40461.msg1114239#msg1114239 date=1275822652]
Coaching philosophy
In his book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), Lippi outlined his coaching philosophy. First and foremost, Lippi emphasizes the importance of team spirit and team unity. Lippi likens a psychologically well integrated football team to the functioning of a psychologically healthy family. On the strategic aspect of coaching, Lippi emphasizes the importance of the mutual relations between players. Players must all follow the same plan and play for each other, "not" for themselves. Importantly, Lippi argues that "a group of the best players do not necessarily make for the best team." What is more important, he argues, is that the tactical plan or formation is one that allows each player to maximize (1) their utility for their teammates and (2) the expression of their full potential. Moreover, Lippi also notes that the choice of tactical formation is necessarily constrained by the qualities of the players available. Thus, selecting the best possible team not only requires finding the right combination of players for the chosen formation, but also finding right formation for the chosen players. Hence the title of his book, A Game of Ideas.


[/quote]

a little ambiguous isn't it? that could have come from any top coach.

 

[themn]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114247#msg1114247 date=1275822865]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40461.msg1114239#msg1114239 date=1275822652]
Coaching philosophy
In his book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), Lippi outlined his coaching philosophy. First and foremost, Lippi emphasizes the importance of team spirit and team unity. Lippi likens a psychologically well integrated football team to the functioning of a psychologically healthy family. On the strategic aspect of coaching, Lippi emphasizes the importance of the mutual relations between players. Players must all follow the same plan and play for each other, "not" for themselves. Importantly, Lippi argues that "a group of the best players do not necessarily make for the best team." What is more important, he argues, is that the tactical plan or formation is one that allows each player to maximize (1) their utility for their teammates and (2) the expression of their full potential. Moreover, Lippi also notes that the choice of tactical formation is necessarily constrained by the qualities of the players available. Thus, selecting the best possible team not only requires finding the right combination of players for the chosen formation, but also finding right formation for the chosen players. Hence the title of his book, A Game of Ideas.


[/quote]

a little ambiguous isn't it? that could have come from any top coach.
[/quote]

You do realise he's won a thing or two, don't you ?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114248#msg1114248 date=1275823004]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114247#msg1114247 date=1275822865]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40461.msg1114239#msg1114239 date=1275822652]
Coaching philosophy
In his book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), Lippi outlined his coaching philosophy. First and foremost, Lippi emphasizes the importance of team spirit and team unity. Lippi likens a psychologically well integrated football team to the functioning of a psychologically healthy family. On the strategic aspect of coaching, Lippi emphasizes the importance of the mutual relations between players. Players must all follow the same plan and play for each other, "not" for themselves. Importantly, Lippi argues that "a group of the best players do not necessarily make for the best team." What is more important, he argues, is that the tactical plan or formation is one that allows each player to maximize (1) their utility for their teammates and (2) the expression of their full potential. Moreover, Lippi also notes that the choice of tactical formation is necessarily constrained by the qualities of the players available. Thus, selecting the best possible team not only requires finding the right combination of players for the chosen formation, but also finding right formation for the chosen players. Hence the title of his book, A Game of Ideas.


[/quote]

a little ambiguous isn't it? that could have come from any top coach.
[/quote]

You do realise he's won a thing or two, don't you ?
[/quote]

what's he won? cheers in advance 🙂

 

[Hansern]

Honours

Club
Juventus
Italian League Championships (5)
1995, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003
Runners up: 1996
Coppa Italia (1)
1995
Runner-up (2): 2002, 2004
Supercoppa Italiana (4)
1995, 1997, 2002, 2003
Runner-up (1): 1998
UEFA Champions League (1)
1996
Runner-up (3):1997, 1998, 2003
European Supercup (1)
1996
Intercontinental Cup (1)
1996
UEFA Cup
Runner-up (1): 1995
Internazionale
Coppa Italia
Runner up: 2000
[edit] International
Italy national team
FIFA World Cup (1)
2006
[edit] Personal
Serie A Coach of the Year: 1997, 1998, 2003
IFFHS The World's best National Coach: 2006
IFFHS The World's best Club Coach: 1996, 1998
Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 2007

 

[themn]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114249#msg1114249 date=1275823142]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114248#msg1114248 date=1275823004]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114247#msg1114247 date=1275822865]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=40461.msg1114239#msg1114239 date=1275822652]
Coaching philosophy
In his book Il Gioco delle Idee: Pensieri e Passioni da Bordo Campo (A Game of Ideas: Thoughts and Passions from the Sidelines), Lippi outlined his coaching philosophy. First and foremost, Lippi emphasizes the importance of team spirit and team unity. Lippi likens a psychologically well integrated football team to the functioning of a psychologically healthy family. On the strategic aspect of coaching, Lippi emphasizes the importance of the mutual relations between players. Players must all follow the same plan and play for each other, "not" for themselves. Importantly, Lippi argues that "a group of the best players do not necessarily make for the best team." What is more important, he argues, is that the tactical plan or formation is one that allows each player to maximize (1) their utility for their teammates and (2) the expression of their full potential. Moreover, Lippi also notes that the choice of tactical formation is necessarily constrained by the qualities of the players available. Thus, selecting the best possible team not only requires finding the right combination of players for the chosen formation, but also finding right formation for the chosen players. Hence the title of his book, A Game of Ideas.


[/quote]

a little ambiguous isn't it? that could have come from any top coach.
[/quote]

You do realise he's won a thing or two, don't you ?
[/quote]

what's he won? cheers in advance 🙂
[/quote]


Club
Juventus
Italian League Championships (5)
1995, 1997, 1998, 2002, 2003


Coppa Italia (1)
1995


Supercoppa Italiana (4)
1995, 1997, 2002, 2003

UEFA Champions League (1)
1996


European Supercup (1)
1996

Intercontinental Cup (1)
1996


International
Italy national team
FIFA World Cup (1)
2006

Personal
Serie A Coach of the Year: 1997, 1998, 2003
IFFHS The World's best National Coach: 2006
IFFHS The World's best Club Coach: 1996, 1998

 

[spider-Neil]

pretty darn impressive list.
will he want the pressure of club football again at his age?

 

[mark1975]

Our record with Italians and how they adapt to Premiership football has me slightly concerned.

 

[FoxForceFive]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114247#msg1114247 date=1275822865]
a little ambiguous isn't it? that could have come from any top coach.
[/quote]

Riiiiighhhhhhtttt.

So Rafa believes in that philosophy does he? That's why he's played two striker on the wings for the majority of his tenure, played full backs as wingers, & wingers as full backs, then spent 20 million pounds on a superb attacking midfielder who just happens to plays his best football in the exact same position as our best player at the club.

That runs completely against that philosophy. Whilst that outlines what many of us think is common sense, a great many managers dont follow any of it & try to force players into their formation.

As for the psychological part, anyone who thinks our squad has been like a 'family' over the last four years is a mentalist.

 

[King Binny]

STYLE OF PLAY – “Should we play traditional Italian football, or a more expansive game based on the Spanish model which triumphed at Euro 2008?"

Good question. The Spanish play a very distinctive game, very technical. But they have achieved this great result after a long process of development, going though disappointments along the way. The Spain team is the ultimate expression of Spanish football. What we will do is construct a style of play in which even the big stars (like the Ronaldos or Rooneys) will work hard and sacrifice themselves for the team. Italy aren’t about catenaccio any more, but a modern, down-to-earth game mixed with a bit of open-mindedness. We will try to play an aggressive, expansive and resourceful game. A great side needs to be able to do everything, attack and defend.†(note: in other words, a style of play following that of the 2006 World Cup semi-final, when Italy finished the match by playing with four strikers on the field).

But Lippi did not just introduce new players – he also launched a new philosophy. Italy now play an attacking brand of football that has seldom been seen before. Lippi’s predecessors have also had excellent midfielders and strikers at their disposal, but they rarely allowed them to develop their creative abilities and instead stifl ed their attacking qualities.

Lippi also focuses primarily on a very strong defence in front of Gianluigi Buffon, possibly the best goalkeeper around at the moment. Having said that, Italy are no longer reliant on tactical defensive play and controlled results. They celebrate football, viewing it as an art form and looking to beat the opposition with skilful play. During the World Cup qualifiers, Norway, Scotland and Slovenia were little more than sparring partners for the squadra azzurra, who lost only one of their ten matches.

 

[Terrier]

I could be wrong, but he doesn't speak English does he?

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40461.msg1114264#msg1114264 date=1275823843]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114247#msg1114247 date=1275822865]
a little ambiguous isn't it? that could have come from any top coach.
[/quote]

Riiiiighhhhhhtttt.

So Rafa believes in that philosophy does he? That's why he's played two striker on the wings for the majority of his tenure, played full backs as wingers, & wingers as full backs, then spent 20 million pounds on a superb attacking midfielder who just happens to plays his best football in the exact same position as our best player at the club.

That runs completely against that philosophy. Whilst that outlines what many of us think is common sense, a great many managers dont follow any of it & try to force players into their formation.

As for the psychological part, anyone who thinks our squad has been like a 'family' over the last four years is a mentalist.
[/quote]

wingers as fullbacks? when?

 

[themn]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40461.msg1114270#msg1114270 date=1275824189]
I could be wrong, but he doesn't speak English does he?
[/quote]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114122#msg1114122 date=1275812149]
[quote author=reuque link=topic=40461.msg1114116#msg1114116 date=1275811850]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114110#msg1114110 date=1275811611]
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=40461.msg1114105#msg1114105 date=1275811432]
Hmm, not sure about him.
[/quote]

Why ?
[/quote]

I think he doesnt speak English at all.

But then so did Ancelloti eh?
[/quote]

I saw him conduct a press conference in '06 and someone started talking to him in English.

He replied (in perfect English),

"could you ask the question in Italian or French please ?"

I think he could handle it.

Eh, fuck it, I'm on a Trapattoni tip now !

Irish reds, talk to me about Giovanni.
[/quote]

2 pages back.

 

[spider-Neil]

would a manager who spent so much time at juve want to come to liverpool?

 

[themn]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114271#msg1114271 date=1275824283]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=40461.msg1114264#msg1114264 date=1275823843]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114247#msg1114247 date=1275822865]
a little ambiguous isn't it? that could have come from any top coach.
[/quote]

Riiiiighhhhhhtttt.

So Rafa believes in that philosophy does he? That's why he's played two striker on the wings for the majority of his tenure, played full backs as wingers, & wingers as full backs, then spent 20 million pounds on a superb attacking midfielder who just happens to plays his best football in the exact same position as our best player at the club.

That runs completely against that philosophy. Whilst that outlines what many of us think is common sense, a great many managers dont follow any of it & try to force players into their formation.

As for the psychological part, anyone who thinks our squad has been like a 'family' over the last four years is a mentalist.
[/quote]

wingers as fullbacks? when?
[/quote]

Way to open a can, FFF.

 

[Terrier]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114272#msg1114272 date=1275824306]
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40461.msg1114270#msg1114270 date=1275824189]
I could be wrong, but he doesn't speak English does he?
[/quote]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114122#msg1114122 date=1275812149]
[quote author=reuque link=topic=40461.msg1114116#msg1114116 date=1275811850]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114110#msg1114110 date=1275811611]
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=40461.msg1114105#msg1114105 date=1275811432]
Hmm, not sure about him.
[/quote]

Why ?
[/quote]

I think he doesnt speak English at all.

But then so did Ancelloti eh?
[/quote]

I saw him conduct a press conference in '06 and someone started talking to him in English.

He replied (in perfect English),

"could you ask the question in Italian or French please ?"

I think he could handle it.

Eh, fuck it, I'm on a Trapattoni tip now !

Irish reds, talk to me about Giovanni.
[/quote]

2 pages back.
[/quote]



fanks luv

 

[themn]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114273#msg1114273 date=1275824318]
would a manager who spent so much time at juve want to come to liverpool?
[/quote]

What the fuck does that mean ?

You could use that rationale for anybody ?

Rikjkaard - would a manager who spent all his time on the continent want to come to Liverpool ?

 

[Judge Jules]

If the underlying point here is Heysel, I think that could actually be an extra attraction for someone in Lippi's position, given the efforts both clubs have made together to put it behind them.

 

[Terrier]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114277#msg1114277 date=1275824435]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114273#msg1114273 date=1275824318]
would a manager who spent so much time at juve want to come to liverpool?
[/quote]

What the fuck does that mean ?

You could use that rationale for anybody ?

Rikjkaard - would a manager who spent all his time on the continent want to come to Liverpool ?
[/quote]


Heysel, son. Heysel.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114277#msg1114277 date=1275824435]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114273#msg1114273 date=1275824318]
would a manager who spent so much time at juve want to come to liverpool?
[/quote]

What the fuck does that mean ?

You could use that rationale for anybody ?

Rikjkaard - would a manager who spent all his time on the continent want to come to Liverpool ?
[/quote]

He's talking about Heysel, but i think it's a non-issue.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114277#msg1114277 date=1275824435]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114273#msg1114273 date=1275824318]
would a manager who spent so much time at juve want to come to liverpool?
[/quote]

What the fuck does that mean ?

You could use that rationale for anybody ?

Rikjkaard - would a manager who spent all his time on the continent want to come to Liverpool ?
[/quote]

my point being if he was at juve for a long period of time he would have made a relationship with the people and area, therefore would he go to liverpool a team many juve fans blame for heysel?

 

[Judge Jules]

neil, have you actually read the previous two posts?

 

[Holle]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114284#msg1114284 date=1275824703]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114277#msg1114277 date=1275824435]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40461.msg1114273#msg1114273 date=1275824318]
would a manager who spent so much time at juve want to come to liverpool?
[/quote]

What the fuck does that mean ?

You could use that rationale for anybody ?

Rikjkaard - would a manager who spent all his time on the continent want to come to Liverpool ?
[/quote]

my point being if he was at juve for a long period of time he would have made a relationship with the people and area, therefore would he go to liverpool at team many juve fans blame for heysel?




[/quote]

Never underestimate the power of cash.

 

[themn]

I see now, apologies to Neil.

I suppose I don't see it as that much of an issue, given the bridge-building that has taken place over the past 25 years.

We sold Rushie to 'em for funk's sake !

 

[Terrier]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40461.msg1114285#msg1114285 date=1275824736]
neil, have you actually read the previous three posts?
[/quote]


Gotta love Spider-neilski

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40461.msg1114285#msg1114285 date=1275824736]
neil, have you actually read the previous two posts?
[/quote]

posted while I was typing, you buggers are bloody fast typists

 

[Holle]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114288#msg1114288 date=1275824806]
I see now, apologies to Neil.

I suppose I don't see it as that much of an issue, given the bridge-building that has taken place over the past 25 years.

We sold Rushie to 'em for funk's sake !
[/quote]

Maybe they're still angry because we sold them Sissoko too?

 

[themn]

[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=40461.msg1114293#msg1114293 date=1275824899]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114288#msg1114288 date=1275824806]
I see now, apologies to Neil.

I suppose I don't see it as that much of an issue, given the bridge-building that has taken place over the past 25 years.

We sold Rushie to 'em for funk's sake !
[/quote]

Maybe they're still angry because we sold them Sissoko too?
[/quote]

Momo's been decent for them, so I'm not having that.

They wanted Rafa !

They can bollocks.

 

[Terrier]

I didn't mind Momo too much.

He was kinda like Masha, but instead of kicking the ball, he kicked the players.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114295#msg1114295 date=1275824969]
[quote author=Doped White Mouse link=topic=40461.msg1114293#msg1114293 date=1275824899]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40461.msg1114288#msg1114288 date=1275824806]
I see now, apologies to Neil.

I suppose I don't see it as that much of an issue, given the bridge-building that has taken place over the past 25 years.

We sold Rushie to 'em for funk's sake !
[/quote]

Maybe they're still angry because we sold them Sissoko too?
[/quote]

Momo's been decent for them, so I'm not having that.

They wanted Rafa !

They can bollocks.
[/quote]

Exactly why it's a non-issue; we've sold them Momo, they wanted Alonso (I think) and they wanted Rafa.