Mignolet..

[localny]

I think the point is, if you consider all the issues we have (CM especially), pointing to our keeper's distribution is the least of it. It's something that can be worked on as many have said.

And yes, if you'd played between the sticks, you'd appreciate Mignolet's abilities a bit more. Goalkeeping is a trade all of it's own. More than any other position. He's got a lot of technical qualities that the armchair warriors, talk show phone-in merchants slagging him off would miss.

 

[localny]

The failure to catch crosses stat is quite interesting.

 

[mark1975]

I thought 'Tell me how Kolo Toure is doing' was better.

Well that wasn't really the question was it? The question was whether you think he's great or "terrible" this week. Given you butchered him and dismissed him as "fucking rubbish" when we first signed him and then was banging on about him two weeks ago.

So it wasn't really me getting carried away with current form, or being a smart arse, I was just saying that, you know, your criticism's should be taken with a pinch of salt, given you'll change your mind completely the other way a week later.

 

[Oncy]

Its a shit argument Mark. Because its irrelevant.
And I think less of you for it.
Both you and the other deeekhead could simply have said you disagree, as others like Niall did, but no.
Ive never played in nets and ive changed my mind about Toure being a good signing.
So yeah you win. Well done hero.

 

[mark1975]

Look, that wasn't really the point, you just went out on a limb with an outlandish, IMO, over the top criticism, like you did with Toure. The point I was making was just that, did you not think you were being a bit harsh and premature?

Whatevers anyway, it's a daft argument that's gone round in circles, I'm a rose tinted twat and you're a daft cunt. We knew that anyway. (I wasn't trying to be a hero, I'll leave oneupmanship to the usual dickheads on here).

 

[localny]

I'm sorry I was a bit hard on oncy here. Apols.

 

[Oncy]

I'm sorry I was a bit hard on oncy here. Apols.

No you werent. You made yourself look a bellend.
Those of us who have paid attention are not surprised.
Dont apologise. It makes you look weak as well as a cunt.

 

[Oncy]

Look, that wasn't really the point, you just went out on a limb with an outlandish, IMO, over the top criticism, like you did with Toure. The point I was making was just that, did you not think you were being a bit harsh and premature?

Whatevers anyway, it's a daft argument that's gone round in circles, I'm a rose tinted twat and you're a daft cunt. We knew that anyway. (I wasn't trying to be a hero, I'll leave oneupmanship to the usual dickheads on here).

Mark youre a good sort.
I like you.
X

 

[localny]

No you werent. You made yourself look a bellend.
Those of us who have paid attention are not surprised.
Dont apologise. It makes you look weak as well as a cunt.

Oh deary me - is that from the fella who calls possibly our best signing of the summer crap and then backtracks? You are right, it is now boring; good night

 

[Hansern]

I got such a shitestorm from Oncy and Ross for saying Kolo would add leadership and a few other qualites that we needed. He was labelled as a horrible fat useless waste of a signing.
Now, its safe to say Kolo has proved everyone wrong and surprised me of how good he's actually been.
But the same way Oncy attacks the "happyclappers" for defending Mignolet could be said about what happened in the Kolo thread. Respect others opinions without turning into a shitefest of namecalling.

Now, the only issue with Mignolet so far is his distribution. He's made the most saves in the league and probably won us 6 points already. He's been playing for a punt it long Sunderland team and this is where he needs to do a bit of work. Be more adventurous in his throwing and more assertive when he has the ball at his feet. Seeing as he's got good technical ability it wont be a problem imho.
Its not as bad as some are claiming though. Far from it.

I dont get how you can say you dont rate him when he's arguably been one of our best players.
The Utd goal was from Toure giving away a corner and the tv camera saves argument is, well, a bit over the top eh?
The Rooney free kick he saw very late and made a very good save.

Our team has loads of issues at the moment but Mignolet isnt one of them.
He's better than Reina imho and will only get better. He's an excellent shot stopper and was rated by most as the best goalkeeper along with Begovic last season.

Great start to his Liverpool career and will only get better. I'd rather focus on the areas we need sorting than trying to find problems that doesnt excist.

 

[localny]

Agree Hansern the criticism is just too extreme. Not to mention incorrect. On Kolo and this guy. And the childish name calling begins.
That stat pic above shows pepe flapped at more crosses or missed them last year (three times as many)

What I find interesting is how this change in goalkeepers has probably netted us four extra points already.

It's going to be interesting to see what the tally will be over the course of a season.

You just can't underrate the importance of a game changing keeper. As important as another striker.

Seeing those saves that pepe would not have made convinced me of that

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Mignolet is a great keeper.

Anyone who thinks differently is obviously a bellend.

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[Jack D Rips]

Shame ab out his distribution. Might have got a third goal if it was better. Oh wait....

 

[Mamma Mia]

But how was your distribution.

Curved

 

[juniormember]

Well done for that counter attack. But I can't believe people are willing to dismiss all his other horrible distribution throughout that game because of it.
He really really needs to work on his kicking in training. He just can't seem to kick powerfully or under control. Every single kick goes sky high, which means any player that might have been in space will have a man on him by the time the ball lands.
He also flapped at 3 crosses, I think.

Overall I'm still happy with him, because his shot stopping is second to none. But he can, and should improve.

 

[RedZeppelin III]

great shot stopper but lots of room for improvement when it comes to crosses, i haven't seen flaps like that since that time i was in prague .

 

[Dreambeliever]

Whats all this about then?

Ming obviously has some superb points, concentration, shot stopping and some weak points, distribution, and pass selection.

But at the end of the day would you rather a keeper who is 1 of the best in the league at saving certain goals but needs to work on his kicking or the other way around?

It's a no brainer, so much so even I get it!

1 of the few places in the team that we don't need to worry about.

 

[King Binny]

 

[Hansern]

He's fantastic. Fuck the doubters.

 

[Brizzle]

I don't think Oncy is being a "doubter" but just raising something that is happening more than once.. I have missed a couple of our games but since this thread I paid a bit more attention and noticed he is still a bit nervy with ball in hand. Getting in the way of shots - he is excellent and his reaction saves are winning us matches but imagine just how imperious we would be if he was also incredible assured at just plucking the ball out of the air or keeping hold of it.

 

[doctor_mac]

The stats from last season seem to suggest he was very good in the air for Sunderland, so lets hope this flappiness is an untypical aberration. His shot stopping has been nothing shy of sensational. Criticisms of his distribution are fair enough. He clearly needs to work on it.

 

[Portly]

Reina was the type of keeper who enjoys the role of "sweeper" behind the defence. Mignolet isn't that kind of keeper. Trouble is, our back four are still passing the ball back as if Pepe had never left. I think our defence needs to change more than Mignolet.

 

[Gerry_A_Trick]

Reina was the type of keeper who enjoys the role of "sweeper" behind the defence. Mignolet isn't that kind of keeper. Trouble is, our back four are still passing the ball back as if Pepe had never left. I think our defence needs to change more than Mignolet.

Yes, agreed. I'm not sure why we insist on playing the same way, in this department, when the personnel and abilities are different. We should either have bought a keeper that is as good or better than Reina was on the ball, or change the way we play slightly to compensate.

 

[Squiggles]

It's more important for Mignolet to improve at catching crosses and deflecting shots into safe areas of the pitch rather than his distribution, because that's what's going to cost us goals. People bang on like a keeper should be like Xabi Alonso. It's retarded. It's clearly an area he needs to work on, but it's been over-stated hugely on SCM. As Portly says, it's more up the defense to adjust - at least until Mignolet adds that quality to his game.

 

[KopRed]

I think he's a brilliant shot stopper. Reina, on last few seasons' showing, would not have saved half of the difficult shots that he has stopped. Before we criticize his distribution, we should try to remember how our defense fuck around near our box before passing it back to mig with an opponent bearing down on him. Half the time we struggle to pass our way out of our half anyway.

 

[Portly]

I think he's a brilliant shot stopper. Reina, on last few seasons' showing, would not have saved half of the difficult shots that he has stopped. Before we criticize his distribution, we should try to remember how our defense fuck around near our box before passing it back to mig with an opponent bearing down on him. Half the time we struggle to pass our way out of our half anyway.

Against Southampton that was a huge problem. Mignolet kept receiving desperate back passes that were increasingly difficult to deal with. I was tempted to say lazy back passes, but with a back four composed of centre-backs I think they just hadn't the confidence to try passing the ball out of defence.

 

[gene hughes]

He has an amazingly flat face.

 

[Portly]

He has an amazingly flat face.

Maybe it's a Belgian thing . . . . . .

 

[doctor_mac]

He has an amazingly flat face.

Which unfortunately means if he saves a shot off his face, it is likely to bounce directly out into the danger area. Better if he had a sloping or faceted face that deflected the ball towards the sidelines.

 

[Farkmaster]

It's more important for Mignolet to improve at catching crosses and deflecting shots into safe areas of the pitch rather than his distribution, because that's what's going to cost us goals. People bang on like a keeper should be like Xabi Alonso. It's retarded. It's clearly an area he needs to work on, but it's been over-stated hugely on SCM. As Portly says, it's more up the defense to adjust - at least until Mignolet adds that quality to his game.

So its a weakness he should improve on.

Isn't that the essential contention that has been made? What the fuck is everyone arguing about?

Is it saying that Sturridge is shit because he's working on his headers?