This seasons data for Karius, last seasons data for Ming (as he only played 5 games this season)
You can play about with the data here:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix
Poll Mignolet or Karius
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This seasons data for Karius, last seasons data for Ming (as he only played 5 games this season)
You can play about with the data here:
http://www.squawka.com/comparison-matrix
His kicking wasn’t the issue, it was his decision making which led to the corner.
The entire 2015/16 season. Can add that Ming also had 4 unforced errors that lead to goals and Karius 0.
Shows why we maybe should let him continue to adapt and develop, hopefully without making any more howlers.
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Compared to De Gea and Lloris
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Shows why we maybe should let him continue to adapt and develop, hopefully without making any more howlers.
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Compared to De Gea and Lloris
[article]http://www.squawka.com/comparison-m...on_accuracy/punches/catches/total_score#total[/article]
Errors almost leading to goals: At least 1. (Gifting a chance to Zlatan)
What gets me about Karius, is not once have I seen him make a save and thought 'good save lad'. Not even remotely close to it. I hate Mignolet with a vengence, but unless Karius is removed tout suite, then any thoughts being harboured about being in with a shout of the league will be long gone.
I think @gkmacca has had it bang on all along. It was a poor decision to pull Ming at the time Klopp did as he'd been playing reasonably well. But since the decision WAS made, need to stick with Karius for a while longer. Otherwise we'll end up with two confidence-shattered bundles of nerves instead of one confidence-shattered bundle or nerves and one over-cocky kid.
It's a tough call, Mignolet seems the better shot stopper and as that's generally where a keeper shows his worth, you have to say Mignolet on that note. Both are indecisive and completely unreliable from setpieces, and Karius is better with the ball at his feet, if just as likely to make the odd gaff. He just doesn't put us under pressure continuously like Ming does, by playing it to players under pressure - at least Karius generally knows when to put his boot through it.
It's much of a muchness really. Mignolet has had a few seasons though and we feel this way, Karius has had a couple of months.
It's much of a muchness really. Mignolet has had a few seasons though and we feel this way, Karius has had a couple of months.
The difference is Mignolet started off good. I still remember that penalty save against Stoke.
Great way to start his career with us.
Actually I was in the Kop that day and even though he done brilliantly saving the penalty he was nervous as fuck and made loads of minor errors all match.
I put it down to opening game nerves but in hindsight I think that was generous
David James is the player who made me realise how important mentality and mindset are
Because that fella should have been one of the best goalkeepers in history
Huge, quick, astonishing reflexes, he made some saves that looked as if we had Superman in goal.
And then equally regularly, played as if he was stoned and simply forgot how to be a goalkeeper
Yeah, it's not looking like a great decision to drop Ming when we did now. He started the season looking pretty sharp and Karius has looked like a bag of nerves from the get go.
As everyone has already said, Ming isn't good enough long-term but perhaps we might have given Karius a little longer to bed in. As things stand I'm just going off blind hope that we'll see some sort of De Gea style transformation because on the evidence thus far I'm struggling to see what it is he's actually good at. Fingers crossed and all that!
As everyone has already said, Ming isn't good enough long-term but perhaps we might have given Karius a little longer to bed in. As things stand I'm just going off blind hope that we'll see some sort of De Gea style transformation because on the evidence thus far I'm struggling to see what it is he's actually good at. Fingers crossed and all that!
Both can fuck off.
Its frustrating, I feel that we have a genuine opportunity to challenge for the title this year... but we have two numpties in goal that will cost us points. I honestly can't remember the last time a keeper played a blinder for us and played a vital role in a win. Reina maybe?
Its frustrating, I feel that we have a genuine opportunity to challenge for the title this year... but we have two numpties in goal that will cost us points. I honestly can't remember the last time a keeper played a blinder for us and played a vital role in a win. Reina maybe?
I don't like Mignolet at all but he's saved us points in tons of games.
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...s-they-should-have-conceded-according-to-opta
Premier League goalkeepers ranked by goals they should have conceded, according to Opta
Dated 6 Dec
[article]For every shot taken in the Premier League, Opta rank the likelihood of it resulting in a goal, depending on a variety of factors such as the angle and distance from goal it's taken from. They give each shot a mark from 0 to 1.00. For instance, if a shot is given a mark of 0.5, it suggests that 50 per cent of the time a player would score with that type of shot.
Using this method, they can calculate how many goals one team should score against another in a match.
Comparing that predicted total with the actual number conceded helps us to see which goalkeepers are pulling off vital saves - and which are letting in more than they should.
Burnley's Tom Heaton is top of the pile so far this season. The England international should have conceded 24 goals, according to Opta's model, but he's actually only let in 19. He's saved 64 of the 83 shots opposition teams have had on target - a save rate of 77.1 per cent.
Stoke City's Lee Grant is second in the rankings. The 33-year-old started the campaign as his club's back-up but made headlines for his performance in Stoke's 1-1 draw at Manchester United and, in total, has conceded just five goals, rather than the expected eight.
Arsenal's Petr Cech has also been denying opposing attackers this season. He should have conceded 16 times, according to Opta's formula, but the experienced 'keeper has been beaten on just 14 occassions.
Tottenham's Lloris also has a positive record. He's conceded nine times when Opta say there have been 10 occasions when an attacker should have scored past him.
However, United's De Gea is one of 20 goalkeepers to have played in the Premier League this season who have a negative record.
The Spain international should have conceded fewer than 15 times, according to Opta, but has actually let in 16 goals. This suggests he has made errors, letting in some strikes he shouldn't have.
Hull City's David Marshall has the worst record, though. Opta's model says opposition teams should have scored 14 times past him but he's actually let in 22.[/article]
Premier League goalkeepers ranked by goals they should have conceded, according to Opta
Dated 6 Dec
[article]For every shot taken in the Premier League, Opta rank the likelihood of it resulting in a goal, depending on a variety of factors such as the angle and distance from goal it's taken from. They give each shot a mark from 0 to 1.00. For instance, if a shot is given a mark of 0.5, it suggests that 50 per cent of the time a player would score with that type of shot.
Using this method, they can calculate how many goals one team should score against another in a match.
Comparing that predicted total with the actual number conceded helps us to see which goalkeepers are pulling off vital saves - and which are letting in more than they should.
Burnley's Tom Heaton is top of the pile so far this season. The England international should have conceded 24 goals, according to Opta's model, but he's actually only let in 19. He's saved 64 of the 83 shots opposition teams have had on target - a save rate of 77.1 per cent.
Stoke City's Lee Grant is second in the rankings. The 33-year-old started the campaign as his club's back-up but made headlines for his performance in Stoke's 1-1 draw at Manchester United and, in total, has conceded just five goals, rather than the expected eight.
Arsenal's Petr Cech has also been denying opposing attackers this season. He should have conceded 16 times, according to Opta's formula, but the experienced 'keeper has been beaten on just 14 occassions.
Tottenham's Lloris also has a positive record. He's conceded nine times when Opta say there have been 10 occasions when an attacker should have scored past him.
However, United's De Gea is one of 20 goalkeepers to have played in the Premier League this season who have a negative record.
The Spain international should have conceded fewer than 15 times, according to Opta, but has actually let in 16 goals. This suggests he has made errors, letting in some strikes he shouldn't have.
Hull City's David Marshall has the worst record, though. Opta's model says opposition teams should have scored 14 times past him but he's actually let in 22.[/article]
Manninger?
Whilst it's hard to take any option stats seriously, that table above does suggest that the problem is more of a defensive issue than simply just a goalkeeper issue.
Which it obviously is.
Which it obviously is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...efending-mocking-isn-t-going-help-things.html
[article]Sometimes it is easier to criticise a footballer than stand up for one. Especially when he is making mistakes.
Liverpool's Loris Karius is certainly making mistakes. One at Bournemouth, another at home to West Ham on Sunday. Already, they have been costly for Jurgen Klopp's side.
Karius, though, finds himself under fire for more than failing to catch a couple of footballs. The 23-year-old, new to first-team life at a really big club, has been criticised for something he said in an interview with this newspaper last week.
Gary Neville and his brother Phil have both said their piece on TV. So, too, Sportsmail columnist Jamie Carragher.
They believe Karius was wrong to respond last week to their criticism of his play at Bournemouth. They feel he was wrong to say he did not care for Gary Neville's opinions.
So here is the bit where we stand up for him. Here is the bit where we provide some context. I conducted the interview with the young German last week. Twenty minutes in, I asked him about Neville and Karius responded.
This is what he said: 'I don't care what Gary Neville said. He was a top player, then he was a manager for a short bit and now he is back to being an expert again. He is always very critical. I think he does it to everyone. I just hope that when I do well he will comment on that. We will see in the future.'
From a 50-minute interview, that part took up about 35 seconds. Karius was not animated or emotional. He just answered the question.
I have done enough player interviews to know when someone is aggravated or wound up, when they want to make a point. I have also listened to enough players who are simply too scared or disinterested to answer a straight question with a straight answer.
This fell into neither category. Karius was just being a grown-up. He was just having a conversation with a tape recorder running.
The interview, conducted in Liverpool city centre last Thursday, had been arranged prior to the Bournemouth game.
I actually thought he would cancel it or that his club would. Football's default response to misfortune these days is often to say nothing, hide away until better days.
It is easy to sing when you are winning. Much harder to front up when you have just made a mug of yourself live on TV.
But Karius fronted up. He owned up. Put his hands up, no pun intended.
The theme of the interview was not Gary Neville. It was about hope, regret, ambition and learning from mistakes. Then we talked about his interesting background. Maybe not everybody had the patience to read that far down. I hope his critics did.
So the context here is that Karius is not a guy looking to pick a fight with one of our most respected pundits. He is a guy merely looking to stick up for himself.
Both Nevilles and indeed Carragher believe he should not have done this. 'Just shut up and play,' said Carragher on Sky on Sunday.
I can see their point and I don't doubt their motives. They are honest men and part of a wave of modern analysts who have taken football punditry to a new level.
But let's not kill a young goalkeeper for having the temerity to sit down and talk. And let's not pretend we all know why he said what he said. There were only two people in the room... and I was one of them. [/article]
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So what is the defensive issue then, in your opinion?
Stats would suggest that we have one of the lowest chances conceded in Europe, so defensively there is a lot right. Or, is it that offensively we are getting a lot right, and the opposition have far less of the ball, which skews the stats? Could it be the offensive play that is piling extra pressure on the defence, as the opposition are more likely to create opportunities on the break now?
It is an interesting conundrum.
He's gonna be ace.
I think it's a bit strange for the Nevilles, who work in media, get annoyed when the subject of their criticism responds to it..... in the media.
Isn't that what they would want?
And then Phil says that players can only respond - or "shoot their mouth off" - when they've played for a couple of seasons, as if there's some kind of Neville-approved time limit for being able to defend yourself when you've been criticised.
Isn't that what they would want?
And then Phil says that players can only respond - or "shoot their mouth off" - when they've played for a couple of seasons, as if there's some kind of Neville-approved time limit for being able to defend yourself when you've been criticised.
It's strange - it's not as if there's nothing else happening in football at the moment, and yet this story seems to be overshadowing even the child abuse investigation during the past three days. Mental.
Chris Sutton - whom I never expected to become a good pundit but has been a breath of fresh air, amusing, self-deprecating and sensible - said all that needed to be said on the subject yesterday:
'Karius... what did Karius do? He was asked a question. It was a 50-minute interview. I think he was asked a couple of questions and it took what 30 [or] 50 seconds and he gave an opinion and Gary Neville copped the hump.
'That is the long and the short of it and then Phil Neville backing his brother up saying "nobody should be allowed to do interviews until you're a certain age". And, here's hypocrisy for you... they work in the media. The Nevilles are totally out of order with this one.'
Karius should be commended for doing the interview. Then Gary Neville reacted and, let's get it right, that was a bit precious of Gary Neville to react like that. And then Phil reacted [on Match of the Day]. They're like the Mitchell Brothers!"
Chris Sutton - whom I never expected to become a good pundit but has been a breath of fresh air, amusing, self-deprecating and sensible - said all that needed to be said on the subject yesterday:
'Karius... what did Karius do? He was asked a question. It was a 50-minute interview. I think he was asked a couple of questions and it took what 30 [or] 50 seconds and he gave an opinion and Gary Neville copped the hump.
'That is the long and the short of it and then Phil Neville backing his brother up saying "nobody should be allowed to do interviews until you're a certain age". And, here's hypocrisy for you... they work in the media. The Nevilles are totally out of order with this one.'
Karius should be commended for doing the interview. Then Gary Neville reacted and, let's get it right, that was a bit precious of Gary Neville to react like that. And then Phil reacted [on Match of the Day]. They're like the Mitchell Brothers!"
Heard this yesterday. Was very surprised that Chris Sutton actually spoke some sense. Didnt see that one coming...
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