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Midfielders other than Bellingham

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Not since our real SD came back in the guise of an AM.
Ali and Fab both speak Portuguese. If we don't get Ugarte - I'd like us to look at France. Lens CDM looks tasty as does Yusuf Fofana. The Mexican who plays for Ajax as CDM just doesn't look fast enough
Lens have a lot of good players worth looking at.

Think you meant Sekou Fofana, and I agree he's a cracking player but probably on the wrong side of 20 for us, Abdul Samed looks a bit of a baller....in the mould of Partey.

Openda, some season he's having...remember that 5 minute hattrick he scored last month?

Medina, looks like the Argentinian cannavaro.
 
I bet that opended the game…

Imagine a goal scoring Origi, that's what he is.

Surprised no Prem club went for him......was available for like 10m, Leeds went and signed some nobody for 30m and Forest signed a whole bunch of nobodies for a combined 150m.
 
Lens have a lot of good players worth looking at.

Think you meant Sekou Fofana, and I agree he's a cracking player but probably on the wrong side of 20 for us, Abdul Samed looks a bit of a baller....in the mould of Partey.

Openda, some season he's having...remember that 5 minute hattrick he scored last month?

Medina, looks like the Argentinian cannavaro.
Yusuf Fofana from Monaco, I should have put that in paranthesis. Yep, I was referring to Salis Abdul Samed who might not have the notoriety of Ugarte but possibly just as good
 
Gvardiol should try and force a move to Anfield.

He’s got to realise that the best chance he has to fulfil his mammoth potential is to be under Virgil’s wing for a a season or two.
 
We seem to be linked to every midfielder under The Lying Rag, so in my head I kind of organized them into categories in order to understand which role would a potential signing be best equipped to fill. Before we talk about specific players though, here are the 2 qualities I believe we most urgently need to add to the team:
  1. Tackling and mobility. Fabinho can read the game and tackle, but is getting less mobile with age and even with a full turn-around in form at this point I wouldn't trust him as our only enforcer. Hendo can run, but isn't an elite tackler and his positional discipline is suspect. We need someone who can win the ball cleanly in midfield and also has genuine defensive mindset and instincts, sensing the danger and filling spaces and protecting, especially if he's going to be playing next to the free-spirited Trent.
  2. Tireless running. The position of a free-roaming CM who often overlaps beyond the attackers and often adds the physical presence to the striking trio, acting almost as a 2nd striker, is probably the most under-appreciated in football. These are the players that make constant runs that make the system like Klopp-ball work – remove it and you lose a whole dimension of your attacking play. It requires extraordinary levels of physical endurance and excellent basic technique and cool head to make those times when this player receives the ball in dangerous position count. Valverde in Madrid is the ultimate example of such a player in modern game. This type of player is the key to unlocking the full potential of your forward line.
Now let's look at the categories:

"Defensive monster"
Characteristics – a proper ball winner. Often doesn't have be tied to one position – this player can be nominally a 6, or an 8 or even an inverted full-back or CB/DM. Key is the ability to protect yourself against counter-attacks; speed, dominant athleticism, tactical intelligence and tackling ability are non-negotiable requirements in this position.
1. Moises Caicedo, 21 (Brighton) £90M+. A Wijnaldum with more defensive "bite." Intelligent, fiery, a clean tackler and keeps getting better by the day. Seems an ideal fit; the only issue is the price.
2. Manuel Ugarte, 22 (Sporting) £52M release clause. Physically imposing, a proper combative DM type who can also play a bit. Judging from his tackling style, a potential red card liability in the EPL, could be a bit wild, but hopefully that will be ironed out with good coaching.
3. Aurelien Tchouameni, 23 (Real Madrid), probably £70M+ if he becomes available. Madrid would be stupid to let a generational DM go, but Florentino Perez has a history of doing just that and it does seem that Tchouameni is becoming marginalized lately, probably due to the president's wishes. Don't think we'll be favourites to land him even if he decides to move.

"Just give him the ball"
Characteristics – an all-around talent, physically imposing and able to do everything on the football pitch; a team's primary midfield engine. A new Gerrard or Vieira. Any team can use this kind of player: however it could be argued that with Trent's move into midfield, we have less of an urgent need for these qualities.
1. Jude Bellingham, 19 (Dortmund) £120M+. He's very, very good and very, very expensive. Likes us, but will probably sign for Madrid.
2. Khephren Thuram, 22 (Nice) £50M+Lilian Thuram's younger son has grown into a superb all-around midfielder and should be considered a worthy Bellingham alternative.
3. Alex Scott, 19 (Bristol) £30M+ It's hard to see how we can accommodate a young attack-minded player in this midfield, given the likes of Bajcetic, Jones and Elliott also need to play. Would need to be loaned out.

"Off-the-ball runner"
Characteristics – see "tireless runner" description above.
1. Nicolo Barella, 26 (Inter) £70M+. Other than Madrid's Valverde, Barella is probably currently the classiest midfielder of this type in Europe. A worthy successor to Gattuso, the Sardinian has 8 goals and 9 assists in all competition so far in addition to his all-action selfless running and energy. At that age, he will be looking for his big payday if he moves.
2. Mason Mount, 24 (Chelsea) £70M. Started as an AM/winger, but it seems his biggest talent (and the reason why Klopp reportedly really likes him) is his off-the-ball work, movement and intelligence. Looks like Pochettino will do his best to keep him at Chelsea.
3. Dominik Szoboszlai, 22 (RB Leipzig). Doesn't seem to be actively linked with us or anyone else yet and I have no idea how much he'd cost, but worth keeping an eye on. Like Hendo (or Mount) he seems to be the type who is starting as a winger/AM but seems to have the engine and willingness to cover ground and press that makes me think his future will be in this hybrid midfield/attack role.

"Jack of all trades"
1. Alexis MacAllister, 24 (Brighton) £70M. A player living through his dream season, having won the World Cup and helped his club team to achieve their best-ever season. A proper leader and a useful cog in many ways; I think he would be a perfect Milner replacement – but I also think he is way overpriced for the type of player he is.
2. Ryan Gravenberch, 20 (Bayern) £25M+. Different from MacAllister, but I think he also can be classified in this category. He can be useful in every phase of play, but doesn't seem dominant in either. I have a hard time justifying why we seem to be prioritizing these players over others who have more of the qualities that we need.
 
Anyone interested in Gabri Veiga Celta de Vigo? £34.8 mil release clause.
 
If its true that Real want Bellingham, Alphonso Davies and Mbappe. Then surely Tchouameni is a player that could be sold to generate funds.
 
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Liverpool want Alexis Mac Allister, but Moises Caicedo is the Brighton midfielder who would really transform Jurgen Klopp’s side
Neil Jones

The Ecuador international would be the perfect summer signing for the Reds, but is likely to cost around £100m

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There’s every chance that a current Brighton midfielder ends up at Anfield this summer. But while Liverpool have made Alexis Mac Allister one of their top transfer targets, it is hard to escape the feeling that the player who would really transform the Reds is the Argentine’s team-mate at the Amex Stadium.
To watch Moises Caicedo against Arsenal on Sunday was to watch a player tailor-made for a top club, and tailor-made for a Jurgen Klopp side. Playing in the unfamiliar position of right-back, the Ecuadorian was outstanding as Brighton won 3-0, effectively ending the Gunners’ Premier League title hopes in the process.
“A technician and a destroyer,” read the headline in The Telegraph, and it is hard to argue. Certainly, Caicedo’s blend of skill, physicality and tactical smartness mark the 21-year-old out as one of the best young talents in Europe, and one who would make a huge difference to a side as desperate for midfield reinforcements as Liverpool are.

The all-round package

Perhaps the most impressive thing about Caicedo is his variety. He is seen predominantly as a defensive player, but he is as comfortable with the ball as he is without it.
This season, for example, he ranks in the top five of Premier League midfielders (minimum 900 minutes) for both passes completed and tackles won. His passing accuracy is second only to Manchester City star Rodri among midfielders, and he is in the top 10 for interceptions, ball recoveries, duel success and passes into the final third.
“There are many players who are very good with the ball but without it, in defensive spaces, are not so good,” says Brighton boss Roberto De Zerbi. “Others in the defensive space are top but with the ball there are some problems. With Caicedo, I don't see anything not at the top level.”
Intriguingly, Brighton have begun to use Caicedo as a full-back in recent weeks, presumably seeking to utilise his excellent one-v-one defensive skills, as well as his comfort in possession. Liverpool, one would imagine, will be taking more interest in this positional shift than most, given their own experiment with Trent Alexander-Arnold, who has been deployed in a hybrid right-back/midfield role of late, with considerable success.
It is clear that finding a way to emphasise Alexander-Arnold’s strengths, while compensating for his defensive flaws, is high on Klopp’s to-do list, and having a midfielder comfortable filling in at full-back, preferably one with physicality, high energy levels and the ability to keep the ball, would make that process a whole lot easier.
If the Trent experiment is to continue, it’s hard to think of a better foil than Caicedo.

Likely to move on?

It certainly didn’t go unnoticed that after the Arsenal game, De Zerbi name-checked both of his star midfielders when discussing potential sales this summer. “For sure we will lose some players,” the Italian told Sky Sports. “Maybe Caicedo, maybe Mac Allister...”
There is an acceptance at Brighton that, despite this being the best season in the club’s history, departures are inevitable. The club’s model of scouting development is clear, and it depends upon those who are successful being sold on for big fees, firstly to generate money which can be reinvested into the squad and the club’s infrastructure, but also to help them continue to attract players, who know they are not going to find themselves locked in on the South Coast when bigger clubs come calling.
Brighton have already started to make moves for next season. Watford forward Joao Pedro has signed, while James Milner will join on a free transfer once his deal at Liverpool expires at the end of June. Mahmoud Dahoud, the Borussia Dortmund midfielder, is also expected to arrive as a free agent.
The likes of Julio Enciso, Evan Ferguson, Facundo Buonanotte and Jeremy Sarmiento, all 20 or under, have already started to be drip-fed into the first team, and the expectation is that Sweden international Yasin Ayari, 19, will step up next term after joining from AIK in January.
Exits are likely, then. Mac Allister and Caicedo are the jewels, of course, but Kaoru Mitoma and Pervis Estupinan will surely attract attention too, while Levi Colwill will return to parent club Chelsea. De Zerbi's starting XI could look very different by the time August rolls around,
It is incredible to think, given the player he has developed into, that Caicedo cost Brighton only £4 million ($5m) when signing from Independiente del Valle in February 2021.
A little over two years later, the Seagulls will be able to name their price. They have already turned down mega offers from both Chelsea and Arsenal in January, standing firm despite the player making it clear publicly that he wanted to leave.
Caicedo has since signed a new contract with Brighton, and with Paul Barber, the club’s chief executive and deputy chairman, confirming recently that there is no release clause in that contract, any club wishing to sign him this summer will need to pay even more than the £70m ($87.5m) offered by Arsenal in the winter window.
A penny, then, for the thoughts of Manchester United, who missed out on Caicedo when he left Ecuador due to issues over payments to his agents. They’d love to have him at Old Trafford now, that’s for sure.

Significant hurdles to overcome

Liverpool, of course, have already walked away from one transfer target, Jude Bellingham, due to concerns over the cost, and with Chelsea and Arsenal still very much interested in Caicedo, it feels unlikely that they would be willing to get into a bidding war.
There is a feeling that while Mac Allister, who has two years left on his contract, will certainly not come cheap, the 24-year-old will be the easier of the two to sign. He too shows up well in the data, ranking highly as an all-rounder, and Klopp is believed to have received glowing feedback on the player’s character and training habits from Adam Lallana, Brighton’s former Liverpool midfielder.
Anfield sources dismissed weekend reports that a £70m ($87.5m) deal was already close to being agreed, but it is understood that Mac Allister is keen on a move to Merseyside, with May seen as a key month in determining the World Cup winner’s future.

The midfield merry-go-round

Of course, Mac Allister is by no means Liverpool’s only summer target. Chelsea’s Mason Mount is also high on the Reds’ wishlist, and talks have taken place with Bayern Munich’s Ryan Gravenberch. Interest in Sporting CP’s Manuel Ugarte has been dismissed by sources, but Matheus Nunes (Wolves), Joao Palhinha (Fulham) and Teun Koopmeiners (Atalanta) are all admired.
Midfielders are also on the agenda at Premier League rivals. Arsenal are targeting West Ham and England star Declan Rice as well as Caicedo, Manchester United would dearly like to upgrade Scott McTominay, Fred or both, while Manchester City will look to sell Kalvin Phillips and could lose Ilkay Gundogan on a free.
Chelsea, naturally, will be in the market, with doubts over the futures of Mount, Conor Gallagher, N’Golo Kante, Ruben Loftus-Cheek and Mateo Kovacic, among others, while Newcastle will strengthen again as they prepare to return to European competition. With many of these clubs keen on similar players - Manchester United and Arsenal, for example, like Mount, while Chelsea would love to sign Rice - the summer market will be an intriguing one.
Liverpool’s need is as great as anyone’s of course, and it is expected that the Reds will seek to get their business done as early as possible, the intention being to give Klopp a full pre-season with which to work with his new recruits. Who those new recruits will be, remains to be seen, but don’t be surprised at all if one of them is a Brighton player.
Mac Allister is the one they want, and the one they think they can get. Caicedo, though, is the one this team really needs.
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Of all our targets, Lavia is probably the one I'm most torn about. He looks like a high ceiling player that will be shit for a looong time before we see the finished product.

And I know this can be said of all of Klopp's favoured players, but what does he do?? He's not defensive enough to be a DM, but can't cross or play as a No. 8. He's more mysterious than Mount, Grav, or Mac Allister. Hope we don't get sucked into a bidding war just because he's homegrown and (ostensibly) cheap.
 
Lavia is the sort of player you sign when you already have a well functioning midfield and can let him have time to develop and get integrated.
We need to revamp our midfield and the signings to instantly improve the team.

Spending 40 mill on this lad now doesnt seem good business imho. Not when we need at least 2 other midfielders.
 
100% agree.

Or if you have money in abundance and you can afford to sign him anyway and just loan him out whilst also pursuing 2 other regular midfielders.
 
Bascombe says we're after 3 mids and a defender

That would be nice, providing one isn't shite

Thankfully aligns with that Klopp said about not going for Bellingham doesnt it? We need more than he first thought so the mega signings aren’t possible.
 
I don’t want Lavia.

Watched him v Brighton and Mitoma sat him on his ass, got outmuscled and wasn’t quick enough.

Many better options out there, especially for that price.
 
I don’t want Lavia.

Watched him v Brighton and Mitoma sat him on his ass, got outmuscled and wasn’t quick enough.

Many better options out there, especially for that price.

Reminded me of this tweet I saw this morning

 
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