Michael Owen
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Have you read any of the above?
This is the reality I'm afraid.
Are we sure he'd be better than Morgan on the bench? Wouldn't the Mancs have kept him on theirs if he had anything left in the tank?
They have a selection of good strikers though!
If he came back i don't think i'd care all that much. Football is no longer about love for the club anyway, so i'm not sure it matters.
Yes, I have and I believe it's a relevant question. Unless someone actually believes that he'll come in and start scoring I really don't see the point in resigning him.
If it's about having a striker on bench then I'd rather we play one of our up and comers.
If anyone thinks that MO alone is the solution they need their bumps felt. But as part of a solution? Yes, I think its worthwhile given our current situation.
The logical arguments:
- he's injury prone
- has an ego that is no longer justified by performances on the pitch
- he's not particularly good these days
There is probably more I could add to that list but the most important thing to recognize here is that Michael Owen, a former Balon d'Or winner, at the ripe old age of 32, can't find himself a club as a free agent at a time when everyone across Europe is scrounging to find value for money in the face of the FFP rules coming in (apart from some notable exceptions). That pretty much tells us all we need to know about the value of Michael Owen these days.
I don't blame him for joining the Mancs. We didn't want him back then, he got a shot at a being in a good team again and he took it. But that should effectively consign his affiliation to Liverpool FC to the history books. I don't want him anywhere near the club again. That might be an irrational stance to take but you're allowed that as a football fan from time to time. And besides, there are enough rational arguments to prop it up in this case.
They do have a bevy of strikers, but they're also in four competitions and expecting to do well in all of them. It just doesn't strike me as likely that he's got anything much (if at all) left to offer.
Actually here's a question, was Clint Dempsey the man to solve our goal scoring problems? We're all frothing about not getting him for the extra million but honestly, was he the best?
My point being, are some people concentrating too much on anyone but Owen or Owen the man rather than Owen the footballer.
Caveat: Before I get labelled as a MOCDNWer, I am on record as saying he was snivelling Welsh Midget when he signed for them. Call me a flip flopper all you like folks!!!
Dempsey is strong, versatile and a fighter. Is he the best striker who's changed clubs this last transfer window? No. Does he represent the best value for money we could have expected for the kind of money we thought we had to spend? Put it this way: I haven't heard a better suggestion.
God no he wasn't for me. That's not the key point that concerns me. The point is thought Rodgers was promised reinforcements and the board reneged on that on the last day of the transfer window.
"No," Rodgers said – immediately and very firmly – when asked would he have released Carroll if he had known Dempsey would not be his. "Very," he said, when asked was he confident that the American – a player denied to him late on Friday when the club decided that £7m was too much to pay for a 29-year-old – would be signed. The Northern Irishman declared of Friday's endgame that "there are one or two operational things we need to organise". His relationship with the managing director, Ian Ayre, is fine and this decision has been taken elsewhere in the hierarchy, where no one can say Rodgers has been less than transparent. "I would need to be a nutcase to even consider at this moment letting Andy Carroll go out, unless there are other solutions for that," he said, 11 days ago
That is the most important point for me. Whether or not he is even any good any more?
I wouldn't refuse to have him back on principle. I don't have a lot of time for him at all, and he does come across as a bit of a prick, but if he scored goals I could quite easily look beyond that. The only real issue here is whether or not he would score goals. Like you, I suspect he is probably finished.
Problem with this is that Rodgers doesn't even seem to trust Morgan on the bench. 3 defenders on the bench yesterday!
Hansern always tells me that Barrett knows better than everyone else what's going on. Barrett says Rodgers turned down a deal for Sturridge. I'm sure there's a good reason the Dempsey deal didn't go through.
Why do the board always have to be the enemy? Why do we need any enemy in the club at all?
How do the board benefit from not sanctioning the Dempsey deal?
Now there's a great question, though one you would not have asked when Rafa was still here.
It's not about being enemy Ross. I don't see them as the anti Christ nor do I think anything is any major conspiracy. The owners will have different goals from us - they're businessmen it's understandable. It's about having the integrity and werewithal to deliver on your promises. That's exactly the type of practice which got us into the shit last time. FSG have always said they would deliver on what they promised as well.
On the Sturridge thing - I read elsewhere BR wanted him on loan but Sturridge wanted a permanent deal so I've really no idea. I'll ask you this simple question - do you think Rodgers would have sanctioned the loan of Carroll to West Ham unless he was convinced he'd be getting reinforcements in ?
Just one further point, he's equally weak cos he isn't being inundated with offers is he? Signing Michael Owen PLC, if negotiated right, represents little risk to us and frankly we need striker depth. He would provide some of it. I'm not naive enough to think he was the right option during the window but the window has slammed shut (c. Sky Sports) and the situation has changed.
Spion Stoke have offered a £1.75m deal over two years for him so I'm not sure we would be negotiating from any position of strength financially. Setting aside my prejudices his fitness record hardly fills you with confidence, our expectations have been lowered we are not going to get into the CL so why bother we may as well wait until January and plough on until then with Morgan as back up, who knows he might not cut it but atleast we would know.
Spion Stoke have offered a £1.75m deal over two years for him so I'm not sure we would be negotiating from any position of strength financially. Setting aside my prejudices his fitness record hardly fills you with confidence, our expectations have been lowered we are not going to get into the CL so why bother we may as well wait until January and plough on until then with Morgan as back up, who knows he might not cut it but atleast we would know.
Well we aren't profitable for a start.
I doubt he would have, which is hardly controversial. But maybe if he hadnt set his stall out before even seeing Carroll train at the club the offers might have been a bit better and we wouldn't have had to hold out til the end for a better offer that never materialised.
I didn't say Rodgers was blameless in this
Additional to my last post. £43m of the £50m loss was down to £35m stadium costs incurred by the two twats and payoffs to Hodgson et al. I'm expecting that there'll be similar payments to Dalglish and co as well. Given the increased revenues we should be receiving plus reduction of approximately £23m a year in wages the 'business' will soon be profitable.
Spion answered it with what surely must be the thinking of anyone who is half heartedly saying 'ugh, why not' to getting Owen back.
It's not like anyone is really advocating a move for Judas with enthusiasm, so I'm not sure who you are trying to bait.
I'm not trying to bait anyone [if mods look back they'll see this and also note your strange little interjection], although you seem feverishly looking for such an action. My point is that we need a striker. There are only certain ones available. Get one of them. Now go and lie down and cool it.
Surely that's what everyone of us thinks?
Most of us have a caveat: "Get one of them, but not Owen"
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