Agger fucking up (again) is us being exposed? They did NOTHING for 80+ minutes ...
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Agger fucking up (again) is us being exposed? They did NOTHING for 80+ minutes ...
Course it is, and it's shite, but anyway, I don't think people dismissed it and I don't think it's unfair to think after two good performances away against good sides that there was some promise there. Everyone knows the flaws and how inconsistent we are. We're midtable, and it shows, capable of the odd good performance and capable of the odd capitulation against a team we should be shafting at home. Ergo not good enough, but we knew that already and we knew it would take time. He'd better learn from this shite fast though.
They had no attempts on goal for 80mins! So yes, we defended well against no attack, but the minute they actually started to attack, we crumbled, like we ALWAYS DO!
When did I blame Kenny for the shit we dealt with last year? I believed in him and didn't believe a manager could be judged on a few games (good ones or bad ones). The only people who can't see the positive strides, despite the fuck up that was Aston Villa or Oldham or tonight, and where this team is heading won't see it no matter how obvious it is. It fucking hurts tonight because we did everything right bar the last fucking pass or ball time after time. The better team lost tonight, as happens often in football when the PLAYERS don't take their chances. You can blame Rodgers for the Oldham line up, or the Swansea league cup loss, but people blaming him for the loss tonight are kinda living in la la land imo.
It's an issue though if everytime we expose our defenders they concede. If we want to push on as a team they WILL get exposed and we need to be reliant on them being capable of being commanding enough to win a duel occasionally.
They attacked numerous times ... we just defended well, and didn't present them any chances to shoot ... One quick break led to an excellent save from Pepe on Mulumbu, and then the monumental fuck up by Danny Agger fucked up the whole game (though we all knew it was fucked well beforehand).
I hate cursing out loudly in my apartment ... thankfully, the wife and kids were sleeping.
Actually nope.
It's more of the fact he doesn't inspire confidence in winning games. He's not a winner.
You can have the best tactical nous, have the best intentions in playing beautiful football and still not be a winner.
Brendan's just an average manager. Mediocre at best. You can give him that 2nd season and he still won't change a thing.
Hahaha, gotta love the kneejerking that always happen when we lose a game.
Rodgers is the man to take us forward imho. A loss against WBA doesnt change that. It highlights what we need to do this summer in terms of transfers though. And Rodgers needs to learn from games like this.
Please dont make this forum a big kneejerk thread. Anyway, a couple of days off SCM will be good for the soul regardless.
Rodgers is the man to take us forward imho. A loss against WBA doesnt change that. It highlights what we need to do this summer in terms of transfers though. And Rodgers needs to learn from games like this.
Please dont make this forum a big kneejerk thread. Anyway, a couple of days off SCM will be good for the soul regardless.
Jono - your arguement kinda falls apart when you compare our greatest managers and where they were plucked from. I'll be very surprised if he's not taking us to top 4 (and hopefully beyond) within 1-2 years.
Steve Clarke's tactics were no rocket science. Close down the spaces, go for every 2nd ball and basically hit us on the counter. Elementary stuff. His team basically plays this way all year long.
And yet, Brendan comes up clueless against Steve's team. Twice in a row.
If he fails to get the better of your West Broms, how do you expect him to get the better of the Top 4 ? Or Top 8 for that matter now ?
And yet, Brendan comes up clueless against Steve's team. Twice in a row.
If he fails to get the better of your West Broms, how do you expect him to get the better of the Top 4 ? Or Top 8 for that matter now ?
We knew this season would be full of ups and downs. I like what I see when were on form and we need to give him time to sort out the squad, the defending and the shit tactics. I'll give him atleast two more seasons...as long as we make progress that is.
He's not the first manager to come unstuck against lesser sides, loads of managers have done it, people have short memories where we're concerned and where our previous managers are concerned. That doesn't make it ok, but saying because he can't get it right in his first season means he never will is just fucking impatient bullshit, typically.
Yes but there's a defensive cock up in EVERY GAME, that's my point, irrespective of who we have at the back, it's not the personnel that's the problem, it's how we're set up.
Is there anyone on here that actually feels any confidence in our defence at all? At 0-0 when we failed to score, none of us believed we could hold on defensively, and that's the case in every game, we all KNOW we're gonna concede. Part of it is bottle, I agree, but part of it is because we're poorly organised and get caught short all the time. No other top team is naive enough to do that, you can't be as open as we are at the back and not get punished. Any defender, however good they are, if they get drawn out and get caught one on one can be prone to mistakes and made to look silly, this happens to us all too often. Individual mistakes are happening because collectively we're not well organised enough.
Is there anyone on here that actually feels any confidence in our defence at all? At 0-0 when we failed to score, none of us believed we could hold on defensively, and that's the case in every game, we all KNOW we're gonna concede. Part of it is bottle, I agree, but part of it is because we're poorly organised and get caught short all the time. No other top team is naive enough to do that, you can't be as open as we are at the back and not get punished. Any defender, however good they are, if they get drawn out and get caught one on one can be prone to mistakes and made to look silly, this happens to us all too often. Individual mistakes are happening because collectively we're not well organised enough.
I thought most of us agree that this is a rebuilding year and that we can afford Rodgers some time to fit the pieces together? Overall, the shape of the team, the philosophy of playing football at this club, and what we need to do to fix it have been pretty cleared, no? Has this year not been an improvement over the last?
Knee jerk reaction or not, just remember that we're not Chelsea.
Knee jerk reaction or not, just remember that we're not Chelsea.
Uuuuh we dominated them until one mistake on a corner. Surely that's not 'clueless' but just fucking wasteful/unlucky/whatever you want to call it in front of goal?
I understand you extreme concern about Rodgers not being the right man for the future ... but the team he set up steam rolled Clarke's in every single category tonight bar the most important one ...
Not really ... In fact, find me one spot where I've given Rodgers credit for a win ... I'd rather not invent rules for you, otherwise you'd get all stroppy wtih me, and I like you too much to bother you for the time being.
Im sorry mate we live in the modern era.. not the feckin 60's, 70's or 80's..
When was the last relatively inexperienced manager on a shoestring budget that has risen to prominence in the Premiership era ?
Never.. and furthermore Never will..
Moneytalks, bullshit inexperienced managers walk..
I'm still okay with that, I said we needed to write this season off, we're not in a position to challenge for 4th this season, I accepted that at the start of the season and still do. But we do need to start fixing stuff now so we can start to see a gradual improvement, we' not gonna miraculously become a new team over the summer.
The problem is it happens to often shit teams who have three shots on goal and score two against us. We have over 20 shots and hardly score.
Mr Rodgers has my support regardless of results until the end of the season.
I think any manager should have a season and I am happy to see what he does in summer.
That said I will be very fucking harsh on this shit next season. He has to hit the ground running big time or my support will follow Maccas south.
A lot of questions need answering.
I think any manager should have a season and I am happy to see what he does in summer.
That said I will be very fucking harsh on this shit next season. He has to hit the ground running big time or my support will follow Maccas south.
A lot of questions need answering.
I just wish the Manure board had your attitude.
As I said earlier, you're walking down the following path: "The new Chelsea, minus the money, the trophies and perhaps the racist cunt in 12 months"
The only way we'll ever be in a position to compete seriously is if there is a massive spend on the squad and Sturridge aside, none of the manager's signings look any good.
When it's most of the team that plays badly then surely it's the manager's fault, right?
If most of the team had actually played well but we got beat due to an individual error then surely only then can the manager be absolved of blame, right?
He won't get 4th....even if you give him another season....unless he changes the fucking dilly dally pussy footing around at the back....and he has a plan B....you could argue we dont even have a plan A...
The difference with the Man Ure board he a had a bottomless pit of Money to spend.. and well probably the best bunch of kids coming from the Academy you are ever likely to see..
Whilst we have some promising kids coming through.. they are hardly setting the world on fire.. and well as for the signings..
erm... so far the only decent one Rodgers has made has been Sturridge and that came 6 months too late...
We dominated them in the first half. But in the 2nd half - it was pretty even especially in terms of possession.
The only thing we outplayed them was goal attempts. And still they scored more than us. How ironic.
And btw, West Brom didn't park the bus unlike other teams. They actually pressed us and played football.
It's funny tho'. Both West Brom and us began the game with almost identical formations. Both teams emphasised on retrieving the ball immediately after it's been lost, and both teams tried to keep the ball on the ground. Both teams kept it narrow and tight. Yet we still lost by two.
I didn't suggest 4th was pre-requisite for me.
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