Not in the early 80s he didn't ... I wonder if he'd managed to maintain what he was building in the late 80s without that class of youngsters. Oh well, another thought for another thread.
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Not in the early 80s he didn't ... I wonder if he'd managed to maintain what he was building in the late 80s without that class of youngsters. Oh well, another thought for another thread.
If the king only deserved one and a half seasons.....why should rodgers get more time?
If only... if only...
Because he has a system that will make us look like Barcelona if he is only given time and the right mix of players (Allen, Borini, Gylfason and Dempsey) to play it to the strengths?
To be fair, it was West Brom. Top 10 teams have been a problem for us all season.
I dont see any resemblance of the barca style.....dilly dally at the back.....side to side.....no plan b..
How do you think barca would do week in week out in our league?
I think you're about to be whooshed.
Thank fucking god for that!
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Not disagreeing but it says alot about the current game when it all falls down to money . Are managers no longer able to improve things without using money ? .
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we still haven't beaten a team in the top 10 have we ?
fuck , beaten at home by west brom who've taken 1 point from their last 6 games and then also knocked back to 9th by them . People can make all the excuses they want but that is useless .
anyway rodgers has been here before and has a CV that proves he knows what he's doing .
People are saying we were unlucky but others saying we played shite.
Which is it cos you can't have both?
I thought we were very poor and only Downing had a decent game. West brom defended well and keeper had a good game. How many CLEAR CUT chances did we create. Hendersons? That it? Maybe Gerrards at a push.
Not good enough at all last night. I think Rodgers has to take some blame as shelves shouldn't have been on the pitch to start.
Which is it cos you can't have both?
I thought we were very poor and only Downing had a decent game. West brom defended well and keeper had a good game. How many CLEAR CUT chances did we create. Hendersons? That it? Maybe Gerrards at a push.
Not good enough at all last night. I think Rodgers has to take some blame as shelves shouldn't have been on the pitch to start.
You could easily replace 'Brendan' with 'Rafa'.
Can we? In the summer??
Rafa isn't doing that much better considering the squad he has.
Either way we were poor last night and the players AND manager have to take equal responsibility. Rodgers keeps making the same mistakes which is starting to frustrate me. When is he gonna realise that this open game shit can only take you so far? We need leaders and we need steel in our team. And fuck me we need a backup to sturridge, because he obviously doesn't rate borini that highly. I mean fuck me everyone knew when we saw shelvey in the team how this match was gonna go. Rodgers tactically isn't great. Now i'm not advocating for rodgers to get the sack as i'd at least like to give him another season, but thats more just based on hope rather than belief. I've seen nothing from him that says he has the ability to take us to top 4 even with better players. Too many flaws in his system which leaves us vulnerable to the counter attack.
The Mancs are coasting far ahead in terms of titles, LFC is falling freely out of the top set of clubs in terms of status, money, power and prestige, and yet still people ponder how many seasons to give someone, as a kind of gift of faith, as if they're millionaires deliberating how many spare notes to slip into a Big Issue holder's pocket. We just don't have that luxury. We don't have that time. We don't have that right. At heart there's an arrogance that says, 'This is LFC and therefore no matter how much we stand by and let the mistakes stack up we'll still come back soon and reclaim our old position'. Well, we won't. That kind of conceit takes you to where Notts Forest are, where Leeds are, where Villa are going to. It's not a time for faith, it's a time for urgency, humility and cool-headed decisiveness.
I meant in Macca's sentence.
I hope we never have to see Rafa as our manager again.
Of course he is partly to blame for what is going on. He has had 7-8 months now to shape his team, and they pretty much as he wants them to play.
Agger, Suarez and Borini all had sitters too.
This 'blame Rodgers for everything' stance is wearing even thinner ... I haven't given Rodgers crazy praise for wins this year, or gone overboard when we lost, but the extremes that have come with both from many posters is ridiculous.
Enough people here knew this would be a transition year where there would be bumps. We are just angry/frustrated/disappointed because the league is so piss weak this year, and 4th was actually achievable. Unfortunately, we haven't taken our opportunities.
Rodgers has done a lot of good, he's done a lot of bad. Firing him at season's end would be a joke, and we would be taking the Chelsea mentality (minus money, so less success).
Oh well ... who gives a shit ...
I think the keyword everyone is looking for is 'progress'.
Yeah, of course - give Rodgers time to prove himself. He deserves it like any other new manager. He's certainly allowed some room to make mistakes while he molds his own team.
It would be foolish to criticize him and call him a failure now.
However, it would also be equally foolish in not expressing our concerns at the lack of evident progress throughout his tenure thus far.
I guess what I'm trying to say is - the team haven't progressed much since he joined. And therein lies the bulk of my concerns.
Yeah, of course - give Rodgers time to prove himself. He deserves it like any other new manager. He's certainly allowed some room to make mistakes while he molds his own team.
It would be foolish to criticize him and call him a failure now.
However, it would also be equally foolish in not expressing our concerns at the lack of evident progress throughout his tenure thus far.
I guess what I'm trying to say is - the team haven't progressed much since he joined. And therein lies the bulk of my concerns.
This is 100% reasonable.
I think we have progressed - don't know how to measure it, but I feel more confident about where this team is going than I did last year under Kenny (& I wanted to keep Kenny).
You're over-exaggerating. People get upset and frustrated when we lose, but that is to be expected. I've not really seen anyone blame Rodgers for everything - not in a way that would justify the stance you often take. He's been afforded a lot of time and patience by the vast majority of people on this board (ignore Insig). I've noticed though that any time anyone has any kind of criticism for him no matter how reasonable you jump down their throats with lazy sarcasm (Rodgers is to blame for this and for that, let's just blame Rodgers for everything!) and it's just unnecessary.
I think we can have a reasoned debate about whether Rodgers is making mistake or doing a good job without someone stepping in and telling people that they're being impatient and jumping to lazy conclusions about what peoples opinions are or what kind of fans they are.
It's ridiculous to say Rodgers is above criticism because it's a transition year. He can be judged on that basis and we can try and measure how good a job he is doing of 'transitioning' us, which in my opinion is largely what people are trying to do.
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