Yeah. I bet Old Uncle Woy could have attracted Joe Cole to fucking Fulham.
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Yeah. I bet Old Uncle Woy could have attracted Joe Cole to fucking Fulham.
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I've already outlined my thoughts on this.
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I don't get it Bren. Hodgson played down Cole talk two days before he was unveiled.
His comments re Insua were fair, I thought. The club had already decided who was surplus (which happened when Rafa took over too, re Heskey).
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I think this is the crux Mark, but leaving the squad with zero available left backs would simply not happen unless Hodgson had agreed with the move to continue. Im not saying he had a huge amount of time to decide, but as I said earlier, there would have been detailed discussions between Roy and the club regarding the players we were looking to get shot of. If Roy strongly disagreed with any of these in the Riera/ Insua bracket then we'd be keeping them.
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Well yeah, so maybe he was just being polite regards the lad. It's not beyond the realms, even in the modern game. I'm sure he could have vetoed the deal if he wanted to, though I'm sure the club also had a financial plan in place regards how much they could raise and which players were saleable.
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Definitely.
There will have been an end of year review involving all the conversations and feedback from Rafa, the coaching staff and even Kenny regarding the squads stengths and weaknesses, and which players were surplus to requirements (based on performances, contract longevity, etc).
In discussions with Roy they will have mapped out where he has room to manouver, and the consequences of keeping a player earmarked for selling, Riera for example (ie takes available money away from other signings/ targets).
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I've already outlined my thoughts on this.
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I don't get it Bren. Hodgson played down Cole talk two days before he was unveiled.
His comments re Insua were fair, I thought. The club had already decided who was surplus (which happened when Rafa took over too, re Heskey).
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I think this is the crux Mark, but leaving the squad with zero available left backs would simply not happen unless Hodgson had agreed with the move to continue. Im not saying he had a huge amount of time to decide, but as I said earlier, there would have been detailed discussions between Roy and the club regarding the players we were looking to get shot of. If Roy strongly disagreed with any of these in the Riera/ Insua bracket then we'd be keeping them.
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Well yeah, so maybe he was just being polite regards the lad. It's not beyond the realms, even in the modern game. I'm sure he could have vetoed the deal if he wanted to, though I'm sure the club also had a financial plan in place regards how much they could raise and which players were saleable.
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Definitely.
There will have been an end of year review involving all the conversations and feedback from Rafa, the coaching staff and even Kenny regarding the squads stengths and weaknesses, and which players were surplus to requirements (based on performances, contract longevity, etc).
In discussions with Roy they will have mapped out where he has room to manouver, and the consequences of keeping a player earmarked for selling, Riera for example (ie takes available money away from other signings/ targets).
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Yeah. I bet Old Uncle Roy could have attracted Joe Cole to fucking Fulham.
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Jesus Christ himself couldnt have attracted Joe Cole to Fulham, so what's your point?
You dont seem to want to give credit for any positives at the moment (like the Cole signing) to anyone - not to Roy (doddery old man) or Purslow (sssssssssnake), or for that matter Kenny (sidelined). Very strange.
Yeah. I bet Old Uncle Roy could have attracted Joe Cole to fucking Fulham.
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Jesus Christ himself couldnt have attracted Joe Cole to Fulham, so what's your point?
You dont seem to want to give credit for any positives at the moment (like the Cole signing) to anyone - not to Roy (doddery old man) or Purslow (sssssssssnake), or for that matter Kenny (sidelined). Very strange.
So, summing up, you think he IS playing the part of a doddering old fool with no say about anything, who is only pretending in his every media utterance that he is powerless to influence any decision because of "beefs" or "Christian is dealing with it"
To what end? Surely this amazing Kaiser Soze-esque performance has some long-term goal?
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why are our board making ANY decisions about the manager's playing staff over his head? there's only one plausible answer: they see him as a cypher, and it's a role he plays with distinction.
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Its difficult to know where to start with that bollocks, except in the real world, which means we've lost you already.
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i hate the fact that roy hodgson's our 'manager' and that christian purslow is our 'chief executive', i've got no beef with ewe personally m8 so please desist from these like hostile words yeh? haven't i suffered enough?
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why are our board making ANY decisions about the manager's playing staff over his head? there's only one plausible answer: they see him as a cypher, and it's a role he plays with distinction.
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Its difficult to know where to start with that bollocks, except in the real world, which means we've lost you already.
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i hate the fact that roy hodgson's our 'manager' and that christian purslow is our 'chief executive', i've got no beef with ewe personally m8 so please desist from these like hostile words yeh? haven't i suffered enough?
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So, summing up, you think he IS playing the part of a doddering old fool with no say about anything, who is only pretending in his every media utterance that he is powerless to influence any decision because of "beefs" or "Christian is dealing with it"
To what end? Surely this amazing Kaiser Soze-esque performance has some long-term goal?
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For the record Brendan, I dont think Hodgson is a "doddering old fool" and even for you the level of invective at this point in time is uncalled for.
Nor do I believe that he has even hinted in the press that he is powerless to handle player decisions. He has made one comment about not thinking that Insua is a bad player, but that the deal is being progressed, and one comment about Torres having significant issues with "the club" about plans and promises that have been made to him. I imagine he has made the comments for a number of reasons, not least of which i) there is no point in sticking the boot into a departing player ii) he wants to make it very clear where the focus of discussions regarding keeping Torres lie.
What should he be saying? "Yeah, I havent really stepped in to stop the sale of Insua because the little fat argie doesnt have a fucking clue about defending, and as for that prima donna Torres, fuckin ell, apparantly he was told a story about club investment, players coming in, and guaranteed CL presence, so he wants a whine with the finance boys about still making his contract add ons, and more guarantees about how future investment is going to put us back in the CL with only a year's hiatus". Yep. That would be super smart.
So, summing up, you think he IS playing the part of a doddering old fool with no say about anything, who is only pretending in his every media utterance that he is powerless to influence any decision because of "beefs" or "Christian is dealing with it"
To what end? Surely this amazing Kaiser Soze-esque performance has some long-term goal?
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For the record Brendan, I dont think Hodgson is a "doddering old fool" and even for you the level of invective at this point in time is uncalled for.
Nor do I believe that he has even hinted in the press that he is powerless to handle player decisions. He has made one comment about not thinking that Insua is a bad player, but that the deal is being progressed, and one comment about Torres having significant issues with "the club" about plans and promises that have been made to him. I imagine he has made the comments for a number of reasons, not least of which i) there is no point in sticking the boot into a departing player ii) he wants to make it very clear where the focus of discussions regarding keeping Torres lie.
What should he be saying? "Yeah, I havent really stepped in to stop the sale of Insua because the little fat argie doesnt have a fucking clue about defending, and as for that prima donna Torres, fuckin ell, apparantly he was told a story about club investment, players coming in, and guaranteed CL presence, so he wants a whine with the finance boys about still making his contract add ons, and more guarantees about how future investment is going to put us back in the CL with only a year's hiatus". Yep. That would be super smart.
Oh My God! He *is* pretending. And I've fallen for it!
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Oh My God! He *is* pretending. And I've fallen for it!
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Yes, yes he is Brendan.
Also Broughton is a Chelsea stooge planted to steal Torres away from us, and Purslow is in on it. So is Kenny. And obviously Roy (but he doesnt really remember because he is sooooo old). And most of the woolybacks are in on it too. And your neighbours... and co-workers.
Oh My God! He *is* pretending. And I've fallen for it!
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Yes, yes he is Brendan.
Also Broughton is a Chelsea stooge planted to steal Torres away from us, and Purslow is in on it. So is Kenny. And obviously Roy (but he doesnt really remember because he is sooooo old). And most of the woolybacks are in on it too. And your neighbours... and co-workers.
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I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I hope he will be. Although I saw him more as a replacement in the squad for Riera which is why I made that post. I think Cole could be better than Yossi, Jovanovic could be better than Riera and fingers crossed we may get someone who could be better than Maxi.
You don't think he'll be as good as Riera because if he was then you'd have heard of him, is that right?
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Is this one of those rhetorical questions?
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No. I'm just trying to establish whether you do indeed believe that you have heard of every over 28 player in the world who is better than Riera. It's ok though, you don't have to answer!
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I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I hope he will be. Although I saw him more as a replacement in the squad for Riera which is why I made that post. I think Cole could be better than Yossi, Jovanovic could be better than Riera and fingers crossed we may get someone who could be better than Maxi.
You don't think he'll be as good as Riera because if he was then you'd have heard of him, is that right?
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Is this one of those rhetorical questions?
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No. I'm just trying to establish whether you do indeed believe that you have heard of every over 28 player in the world who is better than Riera. It's ok though, you don't have to answer!
Me and you are like peas in a pod these days Headers
Like two headwands on the same head.
I know that your tongue is firmly in your cheek but that has to worry you a little bit.
Haha!
It's about as sustainable as the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact and likely to get just as ugly when it goes tits up.
More like the Molotov-Woodentop Pact if you ask me.
I hope Maxi stays.
He's a good player.
We should have done our selling now, and bar N'gog i would rather we didnt lose another first teamer (obv Mascherano exc) and built from here.
We've got a bit of a decent squad but there are gaps and little to no money so making more holes isnt a good idea.
He's a good player.
We should have done our selling now, and bar N'gog i would rather we didnt lose another first teamer (obv Mascherano exc) and built from here.
We've got a bit of a decent squad but there are gaps and little to no money so making more holes isnt a good idea.
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I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I hope he will be. Although I saw him more as a replacement in the squad for Riera which is why I made that post. I think Cole could be better than Yossi, Jovanovic could be better than Riera and fingers crossed we may get someone who could be better than Maxi.
You don't think he'll be as good as Riera because if he was then you'd have heard of him, is that right?
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Is this one of those rhetorical questions?
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No. I'm just trying to establish whether you do indeed believe that you have heard of every over 28 player in the world who is better than Riera. It's ok though, you don't have to answer!
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It's ok, I'm happy to answer. I do believe that I have heard of most of them.
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I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I hope he will be. Although I saw him more as a replacement in the squad for Riera which is why I made that post. I think Cole could be better than Yossi, Jovanovic could be better than Riera and fingers crossed we may get someone who could be better than Maxi.
You don't think he'll be as good as Riera because if he was then you'd have heard of him, is that right?
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Is this one of those rhetorical questions?
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No. I'm just trying to establish whether you do indeed believe that you have heard of every over 28 player in the world who is better than Riera. It's ok though, you don't have to answer!
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It's ok, I'm happy to answer. I do believe that I have heard of most of them.
roy has a cunning plan for selling players left and right, sit tight all will become clear very soon...
If it isn't apparent to all then it is to me that it is not about Roy being a puppet of Purslow et al.... the entire fucking club is a puppet of crushing debt and ignore it or not we are absolutely fucked and were last season also.
It will not and CANNOT get better until we are sorted financially and although others are in the same boat and despite all the hot air wafting out from the boardroom our debt increased by 55M last year alone and our owners are two near bankrupt yank carpetbaggers, puppets?? Who gives a fuck! Money is talking and we are a selling club now, no fucking arguments, no griping about the manager past or present, no conspiracy nor devious boardroom just fucking fact. End the fuck of.
It just makes me sincerely grateful to Gerrard because despite being red through and through i'd be first in the office demanding a transfer from what is a graveyard of a place at the moment.
Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
As for Maxi i happened to like his contributions last season and as a tidy footballer was hoping for something good from him this season, i hope its made up shite but I am not holding my breath.
It will not and CANNOT get better until we are sorted financially and although others are in the same boat and despite all the hot air wafting out from the boardroom our debt increased by 55M last year alone and our owners are two near bankrupt yank carpetbaggers, puppets?? Who gives a fuck! Money is talking and we are a selling club now, no fucking arguments, no griping about the manager past or present, no conspiracy nor devious boardroom just fucking fact. End the fuck of.
It just makes me sincerely grateful to Gerrard because despite being red through and through i'd be first in the office demanding a transfer from what is a graveyard of a place at the moment.
Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
As for Maxi i happened to like his contributions last season and as a tidy footballer was hoping for something good from him this season, i hope its made up shite but I am not holding my breath.
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Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
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Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
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Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
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http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=41048.0
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Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
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Thats like him coming out and saying 'We would never ground share with everton' and then Molby saying 'Our chairman talking about groundsharing with everton ffs'
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Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
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[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA Well thats not him talking about it is it?
Thats like him coming out and saying 'We would never ground share with everton' and then Molby saying 'Our chairman talking about groundsharing with everton ffs'
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"OH MY GOD"
Our beloved Chariman talking of putting us back in our rightful position.
Molby from RAWK by any chance??
[/quote]Na, Molbys alright. He hates the owners and now theyve fucked off hes looking at anything he can to moan about.
"OH MY GOD"
Our beloved Chariman talking of putting us back in our rightful position.
Molby from RAWK by any chance??
[/quote]Na, Molbys alright. He hates the owners and now theyve fucked off hes looking at anything he can to moan about.
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Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
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Thats like him coming out and saying 'We would never ground share with everton' and then Molby saying 'Our chairman talking about groundsharing with everton ffs'
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Exactly, it fit's peoples agendas. We don't want to sell Torres to Chelsea "Ahhhhh Broughton is talking about selling Torres to Chelsea2."
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Our beloved chairman talking of administration for fucks sake.
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What did he say?
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http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=41048.0
[/quote]HAHAHAHAHA Well thats not him talking about it is it?
Thats like him coming out and saying 'We would never ground share with everton' and then Molby saying 'Our chairman talking about groundsharing with everton ffs'
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Exactly, it fit's peoples agendas. We don't want to sell Torres to Chelsea "Ahhhhh Broughton is talking about selling Torres to Chelsea2."
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