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This is patently not true Brendan, much as your seeming myopia would like it to be so.

Its pretty much a given that the Benayoun deal was in full swing by the time that Roy arrived, but do you truly believe that if he wanted to keep Insua and/or Riera they wouldnt still be with us?

Roy will ahve come in with a list of possible targets, and in turn been handed a list of players for whom interest had been expressed by other clubs - some of those will have been easy decisions, some "wait and sees" and some "fuck lets try and keep them". Roy, seemingly, is working through the got-to-keeps and easy to let goes, and then we'll see what pot he has left.

Purslow it seems is in charge of deciding which players should make the first team squad, who from the reserves is good enough/ isnt good enough to make the step up, player identification and negotiation, sales, ticket prices, stalling the new stadium, tapping up players for Chelsea, and having an input into new owners deals. And all this from a guy who not a couple of weeks ago was getting pilloried for being AWOL on hols. Wow.
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“I saw him play in the last three days and I like him both as a player and on a personal level,†Hodgson told Radio Blu in Florence.

“However, talks with Fiorentina started before I got here, so I don’t know how advanced they are.

“I cannot say if Insua will stay at Liverpool or not. I’ll have to discuss that with the club"

"Hodgson won’t get any of the £5.5m received from Benayoun’s switch to Chelsea . That money has been place aside to help pay off ex-boss Rafa Benitez and meet the £2m compensation bill to Fulham to recruit Hodgson"

Yep. A man in control all right
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=41155.msg1143241#msg1143241 date=1280242020]
What happened at this press conference today?
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Roy said that reports of Torres leaving are "erroneous"
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143240#msg1143240 date=1280242003]
So you've heard of every player in Europe, over 28, who's good?
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Good enough for us... Yeah I'd think so.
 
Zoinks, you must know loads about football. I expect there's a bunch of players in their late 20s who would improve our squad but I've never heard of!

How about over 27? Can you be more specific about the cut-off age? Does the same cut-off age apply to the Latin American leagues as to the European leagues? I expect in the UK you can go a lot lower than 28 right?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143249#msg1143249 date=1280242840]
This is patently not true Brendan, much as your seeming myopia would like it to be so.

Its pretty much a given that the Benayoun deal was in full swing by the time that Roy arrived, but do you truly believe that if he wanted to keep Insua and/or Riera they wouldnt still be with us?

Roy will ahve come in with a list of possible targets, and in turn been handed a list of players for whom interest had been expressed by other clubs - some of those will have been easy decisions, some "wait and sees" and some "fuck lets try and keep them". Roy, seemingly, is working through the got-to-keeps and easy to let goes, and then we'll see what pot he has left.

Purslow it seems is in charge of deciding which players should make the first team squad, who from the reserves is good enough/ isnt good enough to make the step up, player identification and negotiation, sales, ticket prices, stalling the new stadium, tapping up players for Chelsea, and having an input into new owners deals. And all this from a guy who not a couple of weeks ago was getting pilloried for being AWOL on hols. Wow.
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“I saw him play in the last three days and I like him both as a player and on a personal level,†Hodgson told Radio Blu in Florence.

“However, talks with Fiorentina started before I got here, so I don’t know how advanced they are.

“I cannot say if Insua will stay at Liverpool or not. I’ll have to discuss that with the club"

"Hodgson won’t get any of the £5.5m received from Benayoun’s switch to Chelsea . That money has been place aside to help pay off ex-boss Rafa Benitez and meet the £2m compensation bill to Fulham to recruit Hodgson"

Yep. A man in control all right
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...and what do you say to his Joe Cole quotes two days before we announced his signing?
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41155.msg1143253#msg1143253 date=1280243445]
Yeah
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Cool. It's going to be great having you around as a resource.
 
Old Roy and Purslow had nothing to do with enticing Cole to join Liverpool.

Rumours around the town suggest it was a joint effort from the kit man and the tea lady to snare Joe.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143258#msg1143258 date=1280243830]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41155.msg1143253#msg1143253 date=1280243445]
Yeah
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Cool. It's going to be great having you around as a resource.
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I dunno, I dare say that more than few other forum regs watch the odd game we're not playing in too.
 
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[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143258#msg1143258 date=1280243830]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41155.msg1143253#msg1143253 date=1280243445]
Yeah
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Cool. It's going to be great having you around as a resource.
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I dunno, I dare say that more than few other forum regs watch the odd game we're not playing in too.
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Yea, some of the lads on here watch loads of games and I've relied on them a lot over the years. I'm going to be even more 'in the know' now you're here to chip in. I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41155.msg1143250#msg1143250 date=1280242879]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=41155.msg1143241#msg1143241 date=1280242020]
What happened at this press conference today?
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Roy said that reports of Torres leaving are "erroneous"

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I doubt it sounded exacty like that, though
 
ewwoneous, incowwect, wwong, lacking cwedibility, there's no way of saying it with an 'R' is there? How cwuel awt thou natuwe?
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41155.msg1143264#msg1143264 date=1280244132]
A big thank you to Ken and Dot from all Reds fans for pulling off the Cole signing.
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Bilko, you're about as funny as arse cancer. And as welcome.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143268#msg1143268 date=1280244391]
I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41155.msg1143276#msg1143276 date=1280245300]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143268#msg1143268 date=1280244391]
I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I'm hoping he'll be better than both. BASED ON NOTHING AT ALL.
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41155.msg1143276#msg1143276 date=1280245300]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143268#msg1143268 date=1280244391]
I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I hope he will be. Although I saw him more as a replacement in the squad for Riera which is why I made that post. I think Cole could be better than Yossi, Jovanovic could be better than Riera and fingers crossed we may get someone who could be better than Maxi.

You don't think he'll be as good as Riera because if he was then you'd have heard of him, is that right?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143277#msg1143277 date=1280245476]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41155.msg1143276#msg1143276 date=1280245300]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143268#msg1143268 date=1280244391]
I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
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Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I'm hoping he'll be better than both. BASED ON NOTHING AT ALL.
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Hope is a different matter.
 
[quote author=Stulikesdrums link=topic=41155.msg1143255#msg1143255 date=1280243589]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143249#msg1143249 date=1280242840]
This is patently not true Brendan, much as your seeming myopia would like it to be so.

Its pretty much a given that the Benayoun deal was in full swing by the time that Roy arrived, but do you truly believe that if he wanted to keep Insua and/or Riera they wouldnt still be with us?

Roy will ahve come in with a list of possible targets, and in turn been handed a list of players for whom interest had been expressed by other clubs - some of those will have been easy decisions, some "wait and sees" and some "fuck lets try and keep them". Roy, seemingly, is working through the got-to-keeps and easy to let goes, and then we'll see what pot he has left.

Purslow it seems is in charge of deciding which players should make the first team squad, who from the reserves is good enough/ isnt good enough to make the step up, player identification and negotiation, sales, ticket prices, stalling the new stadium, tapping up players for Chelsea, and having an input into new owners deals. And all this from a guy who not a couple of weeks ago was getting pilloried for being AWOL on hols. Wow.
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“I saw him play in the last three days and I like him both as a player and on a personal level,†Hodgson told Radio Blu in Florence.

“However, talks with Fiorentina started before I got here, so I don’t know how advanced they are.

“I cannot say if Insua will stay at Liverpool or not. I’ll have to discuss that with the club"

"Hodgson won’t get any of the £5.5m received from Benayoun’s switch to Chelsea . That money has been place aside to help pay off ex-boss Rafa Benitez and meet the £2m compensation bill to Fulham to recruit Hodgson"

Yep. A man in control all right
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...and what do you say to his Joe Cole quotes two days before we announced his signing?

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Nothing, obviously. It's pointless even trying to debate the toss, because his argument is as selective as always.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143279#msg1143279 date=1280245579]
[quote author=crump link=topic=41155.msg1143276#msg1143276 date=1280245300]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=41155.msg1143268#msg1143268 date=1280244391]
I'd been telling people in work that I was hopeful Jovanovic would be a success, at least as a squad player. I'll be more careful now I know that you'd never heard of him.
[/quote]

Oh right, he might be. It was the bit where you were assuming he'd be as good as Maxi or Yossi that confused me.
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I hope he will be. Although I saw him more as a replacement in the squad for Riera which is why I made that post. I think Cole could be better than Yossi, Jovanovic could be better than Riera and fingers crossed we may get someone who could be better than Maxi.

You don't think he'll be as good as Riera because if he was then you'd have heard of him, is that right?
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Is this one of those rhetorical questions?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143284#msg1143284 date=1280245811]
Nothing, obviously. It's pointless even trying to debate the toss, because his argument is as selective as always.
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I've already outlined my thoughts on this.
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I don't get it Bren. Hodgson played down Cole talk two days before he was unveiled.

His comments re Insua were fair, I thought. The club had already decided who was surplus (which happened when Rafa took over too, re Heskey).
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143284#msg1143284 date=1280245811]
Nothing, obviously. It's pointless even trying to debate the toss, because his argument is as selective as always.
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I've already outlined my thoughts on this.
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We know, we know. "Broughton evil, Pssslow spawn of satan, Woy puppet, club doomed"
 
I don't get it Bren. Hodgson played down Cole talk two days before he was unveiled.

His comments re Insua were fair, I thought. The club had already decided who was surplus (which happened when Rafa took over too, re Heskey).
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So what is he doing then?

Are you suggesting he is pretending to be a doddering old fool who is barely kept in the loop by Pursssssslow and has no real say about transfers and hasn't really influenced who stays (Gerrard, Torres) or goes (Masher, Casper, Insua)?
 
Brendan's so obviously right about Woy having none of the control we'd like a (different) manager to have that i can't see how he attracts so much flak on the matter, regardless of how abrasively he sometimes expresses the opinion.

why are our board making ANY decisions about the manager's playing staff over his head? there's only one plausible answer: they see him as a cypher, and it's a role he plays with distinction.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41155.msg1143289#msg1143289 date=1280245956]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143284#msg1143284 date=1280245811]
Nothing, obviously. It's pointless even trying to debate the toss, because his argument is as selective as always.
Click to expand...

I've already outlined my thoughts on this.
[/quote]

I don't get it Bren. Hodgson played down Cole talk two days before he was unveiled.

His comments re Insua were fair, I thought. The club had already decided who was surplus (which happened when Rafa took over too, re Heskey).
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I think this is the crux Mark, but leaving the squad with zero available left backs would simply not happen unless Hodgson had agreed with the move to continue. Im not saying he had a huge amount of time to decide, but as I said earlier, there would have been detailed discussions between Roy and the club regarding the players we were looking to get shot of. If Roy strongly disagreed with any of these in the Riera/ Insua bracket then we'd be keeping them.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143291#msg1143291 date=1280246173]
I don't get it Bren. Hodgson played down Cole talk two days before he was unveiled.

His comments re Insua were fair, I thought. The club had already decided who was surplus (which happened when Rafa took over too, re Heskey).
Click to expand...

So what is he doing then?

Are you suggesting he is pretending to be a doddering old fool who is barely kept in the loop by Pursssssslow and has no real say about transfers and hasn't really influenced who stays (Gerrard, Torres) or goes (Masher, Casper, Insua)?
[/quote]

His comments today regards Torres and Masher gave no mention of Purslow. Maybe he was just getting his feet under the table. He hasn't been afraid to stick his neck out over certain subjects, so he's obviously not that much of a puppet or a yes man.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=41155.msg1143296#msg1143296 date=1280246319]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=41155.msg1143289#msg1143289 date=1280245956]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41155.msg1143284#msg1143284 date=1280245811]
Nothing, obviously. It's pointless even trying to debate the toss, because his argument is as selective as always.
Click to expand...

I've already outlined my thoughts on this.
[/quote]

I don't get it Bren. Hodgson played down Cole talk two days before he was unveiled.

His comments re Insua were fair, I thought. The club had already decided who was surplus (which happened when Rafa took over too, re Heskey).
[/quote]

I think this is the crux Mark, but leaving the squad with zero available left backs would simply not happen unless Hodgson had agreed with the move to continue. Im not saying he had a huge amount of time to decide, but as I said earlier, there would have been detailed discussions between Roy and the club regarding the players we were looking to get shot of. If Roy strongly disagreed with any of these in the Riera/ Insua bracket then we'd be keeping them.

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Well yeah, so maybe he was just being polite regards the lad. It's not beyond the realms, even in the modern game. I'm sure he could have vetoed the deal if he wanted to, though I'm sure the club also had a financial plan in place regards how much they could raise and which players were saleable.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41155.msg1143292#msg1143292 date=1280246202]


why are our board making ANY decisions about the manager's playing staff over his head? there's only one plausible answer: they see him as a cypher, and it's a role he plays with distinction.
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Its difficult to know where to start with that bollocks, except in the real world, which means we've lost you already.
 
[quote author=grjt link=topic=41155.msg1143299#msg1143299 date=1280246530]
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=41155.msg1143292#msg1143292 date=1280246202]


why are our board making ANY decisions about the manager's playing staff over his head? there's only one plausible answer: they see him as a cypher, and it's a role he plays with distinction.
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Its difficult to know where to start with that bollocks, except in the real world, which means we've lost you already.
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Innit.

A cypher eh? One that attracted Joe Cole. Oh sorry, that was the history of the club and the magic of Purslow, Roy Hodgson being manager, and an obvious failure already was just a side issue.
 
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