Maxi Rodriguez on loan for rest of the season?

[ILD]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029092#msg1029092 date=1262883380]
Oh and I'm sick of people defending Kuyt too, he is shit. Everytime I watch Liverpool play and watch Kuyt and Lucas run around like the clueless, touchless good-for-nothings that they are, and turn around to hear people praise them both for their 'hard work', it makes me want to eat my own hand.

None of them are good enough to play for LFC and everytime I see them wear the shirt, it breaks my heart to see it sold so short.
[/quote]

People shouldn't need to defend Kuyt. He has been a very important player for us. Ironic that you seemed to have defended the like of Babel in the past.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029085#msg1029085 date=1262883197]
Babel £16million
Keane £20million
Dossena £8million
Aquilani £20milion*

*If some of the stories are to be believed he no longer fancies him.

[/quote]Regardless of the money spent, rafa has been pretty woeful in the transfer Market Rebel.
Since the dissolution of houlliers team we have won nothing.
We have a better keeper and one world class forward to show for 6 years (13 transfer windows), and everywhere else we are weaker (or at best equal to) than we were when he took over.
That's the rub kid (rebel) Talk about cleaning up your mistakes all you like. We aren't progressing as a squad in any way*


*I still hold out hope for his youth policy.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029070#msg1029070 date=1262882767]
Aaaah yes it's so easy isnt it, why dont you do your coaching badges and show us how its done or become a FIFA Agent and go and spot talent and make a fortune instead of boring us to death


[/quote]

Rebel, it's not our job to spot talent. Our manager has instructed someone to do it, so it's their job. Lately the scouts seem to be blind idiots.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=38216.msg1029099#msg1029099 date=1262883631]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029092#msg1029092 date=1262883380]
Oh and I'm sick of people defending Kuyt too, he is shit. Everytime I watch Liverpool play and watch Kuyt and Lucas run around like the clueless, touchless good-for-nothings that they are, and turn around to hear people praise them both for their 'hard work', it makes me want to eat my own hand.

None of them are good enough to play for LFC and everytime I see them wear the shirt, it breaks my heart to see it sold so short.
[/quote]

People shouldn't need to defend Kuyt. He has been a very important player for us. Ironic that you seemed to have defended the like of Babel in the past.
[/quote]

Eh maybe when he signed. I've said Babel's shit for ages and want him gone.

Note to yourself for the future; don't refer to people's past posts if you don't know what they've said.

'Important player', how do people actually believe this? What does he contribute seriously?

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029096#msg1029096 date=1262883559]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029091#msg1029091 date=1262883368]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029085#msg1029085 date=1262883197]
Babel £16million
Keane £20million
Dossena £8million
Aquilani £20milion*

*If some of the stories are to be believed he no longer fancies him.

[/quote]

Babel didnt cost 16 million, he cost 11 and Birmingham are offering us 10 million if you believe the press

Keane cost 19m and we got 15m back.

Dossena we're getting a chunk back

Aquilani has hardly played a game for us and cost £17m

these are not big money failure's

[/quote]

READ REBEL, read what people are posting.

Like Fabio said, buying crap players, keeping them for a few seasons and then making some return on them doesn't win you leagues. As opposed to money well spent on top players who play well, which often leads to winning games, which if you do enough of leads to winning the league.
[/quote]

He doesn't always buy crap players, he's bought plenty of good ones too. You're demanding every player is a success, it isnt going to happen not with any manager but minimising the mistakes is important

lets look at some of his good signings:

Alonso, bought for 10m and sold for 32 million
Torres bought for 20m, now worth at least 80 million
Mascherano, bought for 17m now worth more and captain of a top ranked international side
Reina bought for 6m, now worth considerably more

we can go on all day, you can focus on the bad and I can focus on the good, overall the good outweighs the bad despite your wrong assertion as the squad is worth considerably more now than it was when he took over

 

[Fabio]

FFS! no one expects every signing to be a success! It's be nice if over 50% were though! Stop being a cock and stop focusing on the maximum 6 players who are good enough for us. You need to calm down and get off you spastic horse

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Have we signed him then? The official says nothing (cotton is probably snowed in)

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029100#msg1029100 date=1262883640]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029085#msg1029085 date=1262883197]
Babel £16million
Keane £20million
Dossena £8million
Aquilani £20milion*

*If some of the stories are to be believed he no longer fancies him.

[/quote]Regardless of the money spent, rafa has been pretty woeful in the transfer Market Rebel.
Since the dissolution of houlliers team we have won nothing.
We have a better keeper and one world class forward to show for 6 years (13 transfer windows), and everywhere else we are weaker (or at best equal to) than we were when he took over.
That's the rub kid (rebel) Talk about cleaning up your mistakes all you like. We aren't progressing as a squad in any way*


*I still hold out hope for his youth policy.
[/quote]

the squad is worth considerably more and if he was so woeful in the transfer market HOW did he manage to receive the third highest fee for a player in the league's history, how has he managed to sign the best striker in the world. HOW has he managed to sign one of the best goalies, the best DM, etc. this is niot the record of someone woeful in the transfer market. I'd say Houllier was woeful in the transfer market, go and look at the players he bought and what they were sold for

 

[LadyRed]

Like I said Rebel it would help if you would read people's posts before responding to them.

He's brought more bad than good, and that's the bottom line.

That's not asking for every signing to be amazing, just for him to get more right than wrong.


Oncy; The problem with the Youth policy is there is no better time then now for him to start blooding some of them in. Things are as bad as they've ever been under Benitez and he's desperately lacked quality all season, it would be the perfect time to take a chance on some of the kids. But he hasn't really. Particularly offensively, it was the perfect time to throw Peacheo in.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029103#msg1029103 date=1262883775]
[quote author=ILD link=topic=38216.msg1029099#msg1029099 date=1262883631]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029092#msg1029092 date=1262883380]
Oh and I'm sick of people defending Kuyt too, he is shit. Everytime I watch Liverpool play and watch Kuyt and Lucas run around like the clueless, touchless good-for-nothings that they are, and turn around to hear people praise them both for their 'hard work', it makes me want to eat my own hand.

None of them are good enough to play for LFC and everytime I see them wear the shirt, it breaks my heart to see it sold so short.
[/quote]

People shouldn't need to defend Kuyt. He has been a very important player for us. Ironic that you seemed to have defended the like of Babel in the past.
[/quote]

Eh maybe when he signed. I've said Babel's shit for ages and want him gone.

Note to yourself for the future; don't refer to people's past posts if you don't know what they've said.

'Important player', how do people actually believe this? What does he contribute seriously?
[/quote]

Sorry, I always had you down as a big Babel fan. I'm nearly positive there was a thread (only last season) when you were showering him with praise for having the balls to take his wild pop shots at goal. If i'm wrong as you said ignore that line above.

As for Kuyt, come on are you serious? Kuyt has been very important to us in the past. He has scored in plenty of important games for us and is imperative in a big game. Yes he is in a slump which he tends to go through each season but he is stil a very important player for us. I would have no problems with him being rested for a while so he can find his mojo again but only a fool would want rid of Dirk Kuyt,.

 

[rebel23]

More bad than good would mean the team and the squad is worth less or the same than when he arrived in 04/05, which you know is not the case

so you're perpetuating a myth, which is not at all out of character is it?

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029115#msg1029115 date=1262884278]
More bad than good would mean the team and the squad is worth less or the same than when he arrived in 04/05, which you know is not the case

so you're perpetuating a myth, which is not at all out of character is it?
[/quote]

Riise is better than aurelio. Finnan is debatably better all round than johnson. Hyypia and carra were amazingly consistent. Hamann is better than masch, our wingers are always shite. The major improvement is torres. So shut up.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=38216.msg1029113#msg1029113 date=1262884228]

I always had you down as a big Babel fan. I'm nearly positive there was a thread (only last season) when you were showering him with praise for having the balls to take his wild pop shots at goal. If i'm wrong as you said ignore that line above.

As for Kuyt, come on are you serious? Kuyt has been very important to us in the past. He has scored in plenty of important games for us and is imperative in a big game. Yes he is in a slump which he tends to go through each season but he is stil a very important player for us. I would have no problems with him being rested for a while so he can find his mojo again but only a fool would want rid of Dirk Kuyt,.
[/quote]


I give every player a chance, and like most I hoped Babel would come good, but I gave up on him a long time ago, mainly because I think he lacks heart and thinks he's way better than he is.

Kuyt has scored important goals, yes. But tally up his goals over the years and look at his performances week in, week out, and honestly tell me he does enough to be an *offensive* player that starts every game for Liverpool if we're to be genuine challenger for the title? Really?

And then ask yourself if that position was occupied by someone else, would we get a better return, in terms of goals and overall performances and contributions?

 

[Judge Jules]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029111#msg1029111 date=1262884060]
Like I said Rebel it would help if you would read people's posts before responding to them.

He's brought more bad than good, and that's the bottom line.

That's not asking for every signing to be amazing, just for him to get more right than wrong.


Oncy; The problem with the Youth policy is there is no better time then now for him to start blooding some of them in. Things are as bad as they've ever been under Benitez and he's desperately lacked quality all season, it would be the perfect time to take a chance on some of the kids. But he hasn't really. Particularly offensively, it was the perfect time to throw Peacheo in.
[/quote]

Oh really? ;D

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029109#msg1029109 date=1262884012]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029100#msg1029100 date=1262883640]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029085#msg1029085 date=1262883197]
Babel £16million
Keane £20million
Dossena £8million
Aquilani £20milion*

*If some of the stories are to be believed he no longer fancies him.

[/quote]Regardless of the money spent, rafa has been pretty woeful in the transfer Market Rebel.
Since the dissolution of houlliers team we have won nothing.
We have a better keeper and one world class forward to show for 6 years (13 transfer windows), and everywhere else we are weaker (or at best equal to) than we were when he took over.
That's the rub kid (rebel) Talk about cleaning up your mistakes all you like. We aren't progressing as a squad in any way*


*I still hold out hope for his youth policy.
[/quote]

the squad is worth considerably more and if he was so woeful in the transfer market HOW did he manage to receive the third highest fee for a player in the league's history, how has he managed to sign the best striker in the world. HOW has he managed to sign one of the best goalies, the best DM, etc. this is niot the record of someone woeful in the transfer market. I'd say Houllier was woeful in the transfer market, go and look at the players he bought and what they were sold for

[/quote]So what about the other 80 or so players he's signed? We KNOW he got Torres, Reina, Mascherano and Alonso right, we KNOW that, so putting that aside (and bearing in mind I don't give afuck how much money we recoup by selling his failures who were NEVER good enough to play for us in the first place) explain Babel, Keane, Skrtel, Sissoko, Morientes, Nunez, Gonzalez, Zenden, Itjande, Carson, Pennant, Lucas..... This list goes on and on mate and the FACT is player for player we are worse than we were when he took over.
Reina, Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano are the ONLY players who have improved their positions. That's it. 6 years and 100's of millions spent and still (if time weren't a factor) 2001's Henchoz, Finnan, Riise, Hamman, Murphy, Hyppia, Owen and possibly Berger or Smicer would walk into our team and improve it. Thasafack!

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38216.msg1029117#msg1029117 date=1262884460]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029115#msg1029115 date=1262884278]
More bad than good would mean the team and the squad is worth less or the same than when he arrived in 04/05, which you know is not the case

so you're perpetuating a myth, which is not at all out of character is it?
[/quote]

Riise is better than aurelio. Finnan is debatably better all round than johnson. Hyypia and carra were amazingly consistent. Hamann is better than masch, our wingers are always shite. The major improvement is torres. So shut up.
[/quote]

We didnt get any fee's for those players so Benitez has done quite well with his budget

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029121#msg1029121 date=1262884592]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029109#msg1029109 date=1262884012]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029100#msg1029100 date=1262883640]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029085#msg1029085 date=1262883197]
Babel £16million
Keane £20million
Dossena £8million
Aquilani £20milion*

*If some of the stories are to be believed he no longer fancies him.

[/quote]Regardless of the money spent, rafa has been pretty woeful in the transfer Market Rebel.
Since the dissolution of houlliers team we have won nothing.
We have a better keeper and one world class forward to show for 6 years (13 transfer windows), and everywhere else we are weaker (or at best equal to) than we were when he took over.
That's the rub kid (rebel) Talk about cleaning up your mistakes all you like. We aren't progressing as a squad in any way*


*I still hold out hope for his youth policy.
[/quote]

the squad is worth considerably more and if he was so woeful in the transfer market HOW did he manage to receive the third highest fee for a player in the league's history, how has he managed to sign the best striker in the world. HOW has he managed to sign one of the best goalies, the best DM, etc. this is niot the record of someone woeful in the transfer market. I'd say Houllier was woeful in the transfer market, go and look at the players he bought and what they were sold for

[/quote]So what about the other 80 or so players he's signed? We KNOW he got Torres, Reina, Mascherano and Alonso right, we KNOW that, so putting that aside (and bearing in mind I don't give afuck how much money we recoup by selling his failures who were NEVER good enough to play for us in the first place) explain Babel, Keane, Skrtel, Sissoko, Morientes, Nunez, Gonzalez, Zenden, Itjande, Carson, Pennant, Lucas..... This list goes on and on mate and the FACT is player for player we are worse than we were when he took over.
Reina, Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano are the ONLY players who have improved their positions. That's it. 6 years and 100's of millions spent and still (if time weren't a factor) 2001's Henchoz, Finnan, Riise, Hamman, Murphy, Hyppia, Owen and possibly Berger or Smicer would walk into our team and improve it. Thasafack!
[/quote]

so we KNOW that so lets focus on the failures.

We have signed many players, we have sold many players under Benitez. for someone woeful in the transfer market to get the third highest fee in the league's history for a player he paid £10m for is not bad going, to sign the best striker in the world is not just lucky and it doesn't happen every day, it's exceptional yet you think he is woeful in the transfer market? Have you LOOKED at what other managers have done lately? many if not all are a lot worse (bar Wenger)

so for you to hysterically say Benitez is woeful is wrong and makes you look silly.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029115#msg1029115 date=1262884278]
More bad than good would mean the team and the squad is worth less or the same than when he arrived in 04/05, which you know is not the case

so you're perpetuating a myth, which is not at all out of character is it?
[/quote]Two things. Firstly footballers are worth considerably more now than in 2004. Zidane was 50m Ronaldo nearer 90 so of course our squad is worth more. Secondly WHO CARES? Were a football team not a bank.

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029122#msg1029122 date=1262884617]
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38216.msg1029117#msg1029117 date=1262884460]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029115#msg1029115 date=1262884278]
More bad than good would mean the team and the squad is worth less or the same than when he arrived in 04/05, which you know is not the case

so you're perpetuating a myth, which is not at all out of character is it?
[/quote]

Riise is better than aurelio. Finnan is debatably better all round than johnson. Hyypia and carra were amazingly consistent. Hamann is better than masch, our wingers are always shite. The major improvement is torres. So shut up.
[/quote]

We didnt get any fee's for those players so Benitez has done quite well with his budget
[/quote]


oh my fucking lord. Who cares if we got fees? Those players were BETTER. Thats my point. And they didn't cost the same money as benitez has spent. Oncy hit the nail on the head. And i'm saying this which i hope people will agree with.

You're delusional who cannot see anyones viewpoints to have merit. You perpetuate your own myths about benitez being a transfer maestro. The man couldn't buy a good player from Real Madrid for fucks sake. a few cracks at it and he hasn't bought a good one yet.

 

[Fabio]

As for Benitez knowing torres would be great. Big whoop. Other managers looked at him too and passed the chance because he didn't have a great goal ratio.

 

[rebel23]

if the 01 team was as good as the 07/8 team they would have won the league so more rubbish from Oncy

it was also easier back then with no Chelsea and City spending half a billion each

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029130#msg1029130 date=1262885049]
if the 01 team was as good as the 07/8 team they would have won the league so more rubbish from Oncy

it was also easier back then with no Chelsea and City spending half a billion each

[/quote]

So the mancs at one of it's peaks, arsenal being incredible, all these factors mean nothing? Last year every team was a lot poorer and we didn't fucking win the league. 07/08 we were shite.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029126#msg1029126 date=1262884842]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029121#msg1029121 date=1262884592]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029109#msg1029109 date=1262884012]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029100#msg1029100 date=1262883640]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029085#msg1029085 date=1262883197]
Babel £16million
Keane £20million
Dossena £8million
Aquilani £20milion*

*If some of the stories are to be believed he no longer fancies him.

[/quote]Regardless of the money spent, rafa has been pretty woeful in the transfer Market Rebel.
Since the dissolution of houlliers team we have won nothing.
We have a better keeper and one world class forward to show for 6 years (13 transfer windows), and everywhere else we are weaker (or at best equal to) than we were when he took over.
That's the rub kid (rebel) Talk about cleaning up your mistakes all you like. We aren't progressing as a squad in any way*


*I still hold out hope for his youth policy.
[/quote]

the squad is worth considerably more and if he was so woeful in the transfer market HOW did he manage to receive the third highest fee for a player in the league's history, how has he managed to sign the best striker in the world. HOW has he managed to sign one of the best goalies, the best DM, etc. this is niot the record of someone woeful in the transfer market. I'd say Houllier was woeful in the transfer market, go and look at the players he bought and what they were sold for

[/quote]So what about the other 80 or so players he's signed? We KNOW he got Torres, Reina, Mascherano and Alonso right, we KNOW that, so putting that aside (and bearing in mind I don't give afuck how much money we recoup by selling his failures who were NEVER good enough to play for us in the first place) explain Babel, Keane, Skrtel, Sissoko, Morientes, Nunez, Gonzalez, Zenden, Itjande, Carson, Pennant, Lucas..... This list goes on and on mate and the FACT is player for player we are worse than we were when he took over.
Reina, Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano are the ONLY players who have improved their positions. That's it. 6 years and 100's of millions spent and still (if time weren't a factor) 2001's Henchoz, Finnan, Riise, Hamman, Murphy, Hyppia, Owen and possibly Berger or Smicer would walk into our team and improve it. Thasafack!
[/quote]

so we KNOW that so lets focus on the failures.

We have signed many players, we have sold many players under Benitez. for someone woeful in the transfer market to get the third highest fee in the league's history for a player he paid £10m for is not bad going, to sign the best striker in the world is not just lucky and it doesn't happen every day, it's exceptional yet you think he is woeful in the transfer market? Have you LOOKED at what other managers have done lately? many if not all are a lot worse (bar Wenger)

so for you to hysterically say Benitez is woeful is wrong and makes you look silly.


[/quote]So you are just going to ignore the massively unimpressive ratio of shit signings to good and just keep repeating that he isn't woeful in the transfer Market because we sold Alonso for a lot of money and Torres us worth a lot? Is that it then? End of argument? He's not woeful because once in a bluemoon he signs a worldy, and it doesn't matter about all the shit we've signed and how our first team hasn't improved because-
a) see the first sentence.
b) he sometimes gets decent money shipping the shit on proofing what a Market trading genius he is.

Cool, good chatting with you.

 

[Avmenon]

I actually think he knows he's full of shit; but he enjoys the attention.

 

[rebel23]

we got 87 points though, the 01 team which was soooo good never managed that pre-chelsea. funny isnt it

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029130#msg1029130 date=1262885049]
if the 01 team was as good as the 07/8 team they would have won the league so more rubbish from Oncy

it was also easier back then with no Chelsea and City spending half a billion each

[/quote]Hahahahaha youre such a thick mental tryhard dull twat.
So long.

 

[Loch Ness Monster]

We got buttons back for Keane. It was all performance related and the cunt has hardly played all season.

Rebel, we exist soleley to win trophies. Are you aware of this fact?

 

[rebel23]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029132#msg1029132 date=1262885201]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029126#msg1029126 date=1262884842]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029121#msg1029121 date=1262884592]
[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029109#msg1029109 date=1262884012]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38216.msg1029100#msg1029100 date=1262883640]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=38216.msg1029085#msg1029085 date=1262883197]
Babel £16million
Keane £20million
Dossena £8million
Aquilani £20milion*

*If some of the stories are to be believed he no longer fancies him.

[/quote]Regardless of the money spent, rafa has been pretty woeful in the transfer Market Rebel.
Since the dissolution of houlliers team we have won nothing.
We have a better keeper and one world class forward to show for 6 years (13 transfer windows), and everywhere else we are weaker (or at best equal to) than we were when he took over.
That's the rub kid (rebel) Talk about cleaning up your mistakes all you like. We aren't progressing as a squad in any way*


*I still hold out hope for his youth policy.
[/quote]

the squad is worth considerably more and if he was so woeful in the transfer market HOW did he manage to receive the third highest fee for a player in the league's history, how has he managed to sign the best striker in the world. HOW has he managed to sign one of the best goalies, the best DM, etc. this is niot the record of someone woeful in the transfer market. I'd say Houllier was woeful in the transfer market, go and look at the players he bought and what they were sold for

[/quote]So what about the other 80 or so players he's signed? We KNOW he got Torres, Reina, Mascherano and Alonso right, we KNOW that, so putting that aside (and bearing in mind I don't give afuck how much money we recoup by selling his failures who were NEVER good enough to play for us in the first place) explain Babel, Keane, Skrtel, Sissoko, Morientes, Nunez, Gonzalez, Zenden, Itjande, Carson, Pennant, Lucas..... This list goes on and on mate and the FACT is player for player we are worse than we were when he took over.
Reina, Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano are the ONLY players who have improved their positions. That's it. 6 years and 100's of millions spent and still (if time weren't a factor) 2001's Henchoz, Finnan, Riise, Hamman, Murphy, Hyppia, Owen and possibly Berger or Smicer would walk into our team and improve it. Thasafack!
[/quote]

so we KNOW that so lets focus on the failures.

We have signed many players, we have sold many players under Benitez. for someone woeful in the transfer market to get the third highest fee in the league's history for a player he paid £10m for is not bad going, to sign the best striker in the world is not just lucky and it doesn't happen every day, it's exceptional yet you think he is woeful in the transfer market? Have you LOOKED at what other managers have done lately? many if not all are a lot worse (bar Wenger)

so for you to hysterically say Benitez is woeful is wrong and makes you look silly.


[/quote]So you are just going to ignore the massively unimpressive ratio of shit signings to good and just keep repeating that he isn't woeful in the transfer Market because we sold Alonso for a lot of money and Torres us worth a lot? Is that it then? End of argument? He's not woeful because once in a bluemoon he signs a worldy, and it doesn't matter about all the shit we've signed and how our first team hasn't improved because-
a) see the first sentence.
b) he sometimes gets decent money shipping the shit on proofing what a Market trading genius he is.

Cool, good chatting with you.
[/quote]


so all the shit he signed managed 87 points in a harder era but the superior 01 team couldnt manage it?

 

[Fabio]

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=38216.msg1029134#msg1029134 date=1262885233]
we got 87 points though, the 01 team which was soooo good never managed that pre-chelsea. funny isnt it


[/quote]

So arsenals decline is being ignored then? You just substitute chelsea for arsenal. And as well, you do realise we had LESS money then to spend on players? You know those players who were good for us? They were bargains! Remember them? Last bargain we got was Hyypia. And anyone who says alonso is a div. (Sorry Neets/Ladyred)

 

[ILD]

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I always had you down as a big Babel fan. I'm nearly positive there was a thread (only last season) when you were showering him with praise for having the balls to take his wild pop shots at goal. If i'm wrong as you said ignore that line above.

As for Kuyt, come on are you serious? Kuyt has been very important to us in the past. He has scored in plenty of important games for us and is imperative in a big game. Yes he is in a slump which he tends to go through each season but he is stil a very important player for us. I would have no problems with him being rested for a while so he can find his mojo again but only a fool would want rid of Dirk Kuyt,.
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I give every player a chance, and like most I hoped Babel would come good, but I gave up on him a long time ago, mainly because I think he lacks heart and thinks he's way better than he is.

Kuyt has scored important goals, yes. But tally up his goals over the years and look at his performances week in, week out, and honestly tell me he does enough to be an *offensive* player that starts every game for Liverpool if we're to be genuine challenger for the title? Really?

And then ask yourself if that position was occupied by someone else, would we get a better return, in terms of goals and overall performances and contributions?
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I couldn't be bothered discussing the merits of Dirk Kuyt in Maxi Rodriquez thread but here goes.....
I never said Kuyt deserves to start every game or that he does enough to warrant inclusion on every team sheet. What I did say was that he is an important player for us. Which is he. When you tally up Kuyt stats, performances & contributions and compare them to his competition within this club it would be so one sided it wouldn't even be a competition. Yossi has done great too and I really like what he brings us but who else should be starting RW for us? Doubt we have the money to go out and buy top drawer so i'd rather play Kuyt there than waste 5-8 million on a player who we'll probably sell on in 18 months.

Dirk Kuyt is the least of our worries if we're going to title contenders. How about sorting our left back position, or left wing for that matter, back up for Torres, replacement for Johnson while he's injured, our centre back pairings! All more important and worrying that the inclusion of Dirk in our team.