Maxi Rodriguez on loan for rest of the season?
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Well, he's already moved countries once so he may be more willing to do so this time than Bentley. Good point about him displacing/not displacing what they've already got, but IF he knuckled down I think he would be good enough to push for a place.
Or is that what you might call "magical thinking"? 😉
Or is that what you might call "magical thinking"? 😉
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=38216.msg1026714#msg1026714 date=1262690677]
According to BBC gossip Spurs are in for him as well and willing to offer Bently as part of the deal
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Balls, I can see how that would be better for Atletico.
Hopefully Maxi is determined to play for Rafa and alongside Fernando once more...
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... and alongside his countries captain.
Wasn't Bentley linked to Atletico last Janruary aswel? Or was that SWP at one stage?
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=38216.msg1026714#msg1026714 date=1262690677]
According to BBC gossip Spurs are in for him as well and willing to offer Bently as part of the deal
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Balls, I can see how that would be better for Atletico.
Hopefully Maxi is determined to play for Rafa and alongside Fernando once more...
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... and alongside his countries captain.
Wasn't Bentley linked to Atletico last Janruary aswel? Or was that SWP at one stage?
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Well, he's already moved countries once so he may be more willing to do so this time than Bentley. Good point about him displacing/not displacing what they've already got, but IF he knuckled down I think he would be good enough to push for a place.
Or is that what you might call "magical thinking"? 😉
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He's certainly got the raw talent to force his way into most top sides should he get his head right, but I think he needs to go somewhere where he's guaranteed games for the next year or so to kickstart his career - he wouldn't get that at Atletico.
Magical thinking is all good in this case.
Well, he's already moved countries once so he may be more willing to do so this time than Bentley. Good point about him displacing/not displacing what they've already got, but IF he knuckled down I think he would be good enough to push for a place.
Or is that what you might call "magical thinking"? 😉
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He's certainly got the raw talent to force his way into most top sides should he get his head right, but I think he needs to go somewhere where he's guaranteed games for the next year or so to kickstart his career - he wouldn't get that at Atletico.
Magical thinking is all good in this case.
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Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026679#msg1026679 date=1262684307]
Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
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I like Riera too but Iniesta and Silva would play left of the midfield before him if fully fit. He isn't keeping Silva out of the team as such.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026679#msg1026679 date=1262684307]
Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
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I like Riera too but Iniesta and Silva would play left of the midfield before him if fully fit. He isn't keeping Silva out of the team as such.
i think riera is a very good player. i just wish we had a proper winger in our squad as well.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026679#msg1026679 date=1262684307]
Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
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I like Riera too but Iniesta and Silva would play left of the midfield before him if fully fit. He isn't keeping Silva out of the team as such.
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He did in the last Euro champs, didn't he?
*scratches head*
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026679#msg1026679 date=1262684307]
Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
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I like Riera too but Iniesta and Silva would play left of the midfield before him if fully fit. He isn't keeping Silva out of the team as such.
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He did in the last Euro champs, didn't he?
*scratches head*
above average, for sure.
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He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026759#msg1026759 date=1262693359]
He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
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I can remember both playing, so I'm in the same boat as you. I do remember Silva scoring, though.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026759#msg1026759 date=1262693359]
He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
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I can remember both playing, so I'm in the same boat as you. I do remember Silva scoring, though.
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Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
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Silva started all the games in Euro2008 - apart from maybe that last group game. I don't recall Riera featuring at all at that time.
I think you're thinking of the Confederations Cup in which Riera played a big part and looked very good.
Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
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Silva started all the games in Euro2008 - apart from maybe that last group game. I don't recall Riera featuring at all at that time.
I think you're thinking of the Confederations Cup in which Riera played a big part and looked very good.
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[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38216.msg1026763#msg1026763 date=1262693517]
Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
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Silva started all the games in Euro2008 - apart from maybe that last group game. I don't recall Riera featuring at all at that time.
I think you're thinking of the Confederations Cup in which Riera played a big part and looked very good.
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Don't think Riera travelled to Euro 2008. He played a big part in Confed cup but he is clearly behind Silva and Iniesta in the pecking order.
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=38216.msg1026763#msg1026763 date=1262693517]
Silva wasn't injured in the last Euro champs, was he?
(The question mark isn't rhetorical, I really don't know).
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Silva started all the games in Euro2008 - apart from maybe that last group game. I don't recall Riera featuring at all at that time.
I think you're thinking of the Confederations Cup in which Riera played a big part and looked very good.
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Don't think Riera travelled to Euro 2008. He played a big part in Confed cup but he is clearly behind Silva and Iniesta in the pecking order.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026679#msg1026679 date=1262684307]
Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
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I like Riera too but Iniesta and Silva would play left of the midfield before him if fully fit. He isn't keeping Silva out of the team as such.
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He did in the last Euro champs, didn't he?
*scratches head*
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Nope.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026679#msg1026679 date=1262684307]
Riera is an average player but he is so much better than Yossi and all our fullbacks on the left. He's been a big miss. Kuyt has been atrocious, Gerrard has been injured and out of sorts, Torres has been in and out and our playmaker is no longer here.
Last years attack has either been missing in parts or badly unperforming. Yossi has been good when not played on the left and Torres obviously has been a bright spark, but that's really it.
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I personally think calling Riera average is a bit of a disservice to the player who keeps forum darling Silva out of the Spanish team. He certainly as you say has been a huge miss for us this season.
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I like Riera too but Iniesta and Silva would play left of the midfield before him if fully fit. He isn't keeping Silva out of the team as such.
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He did in the last Euro champs, didn't he?
*scratches head*
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Nope.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026759#msg1026759 date=1262693359]
He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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I think Riera can be a useful player in a team brimming with superstars, as the opposition have their hands full keeping track of the real quality. He is also much better when those around him give him options with intelligent movement. In short, he is a very tidy footballer who uses the ball well and rarely concedes possession.
Of course in a team bereft of quality movement, with low confidence and an over-reliance on one or two genuine stars, he looks like what he is - a decent, but ultimately limited footballer. We either need to significantly improve on him, or significantly improve the players around him, with the former obviously being the easiest option open to us. A pacey player is vital as far as I'm concerned but with the likes of Gonzalez and Babel still fresh in the mind, genuine quality is of utmost importance for whoever comes in next.
He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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I think Riera can be a useful player in a team brimming with superstars, as the opposition have their hands full keeping track of the real quality. He is also much better when those around him give him options with intelligent movement. In short, he is a very tidy footballer who uses the ball well and rarely concedes possession.
Of course in a team bereft of quality movement, with low confidence and an over-reliance on one or two genuine stars, he looks like what he is - a decent, but ultimately limited footballer. We either need to significantly improve on him, or significantly improve the players around him, with the former obviously being the easiest option open to us. A pacey player is vital as far as I'm concerned but with the likes of Gonzalez and Babel still fresh in the mind, genuine quality is of utmost importance for whoever comes in next.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=38216.msg1026759#msg1026759 date=1262693359]
He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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Riera is a good player. He's scored goals for us, has pretty good skills and shows intelligence and maturity in his play. The one think he lacks that would make him a great player is searing pace.
He doesn't really keep anyone out of the Spanish side. The manager rotates now and again and players like Silva and Iniesta have had spells out injured.
And he is average.
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Riera is a good player. He's scored goals for us, has pretty good skills and shows intelligence and maturity in his play. The one think he lacks that would make him a great player is searing pace.
I said last season that Riera had exceeded my admittedly low expectations and had proven to be a decent squaddie, but if we're being brutally honest - as everyone seems to be in the mood for doing when it comes to the rest of the squad - he's nothing special.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38216.msg1026805#msg1026805 date=1262697958]
I think Riera can be a useful player in a team brimming with superstars, as the opposition have their hands full keeping track of the real quality. He is also much better when those around him give him options with intelligent movement.
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I don't think anyone can disagree with that, but the same would apply to any half decent attacker out there - the problem is we're not Barcelona or Spain. We've had spells of playing some really good stuff under Rafa but there is always the danger of reverting back to type when we're not in top form - we've seen it too many times - because that style of play isn't inherent in our team or manager.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38216.msg1026805#msg1026805 date=1262697958]
A pacey player is vital as far as I'm concerned but with the likes of Gonzalez and Babel still fresh in the mind, genuine quality is of utmost importance for whoever comes in next.
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I remember a couple years ago, we used to have big threads talking about the types of attacker we needed and robin, for example, was a big advocate of the attacking midfielder and clever passing interplay whereas I had for years banged on about individual explosive talent. And pace. With more of that, you become less reliant on Barca esque pass and move team play, which I think for this team is a good thing.
Now, you might say, "oh great, well find us another 100M and we'll sign a couple more players like Torres", but they don't all have to be of that standard. Reading for all their fighting spirit were pretty poor the other day but in McAnuff or whatever the fuck his name was, they had pace and a constant out ball, which made them dangerous. I've seen very little of Utd this season but I'm sure Ferguson signed Valencia to ensure that at the very least, they retained the pace (if not the supreme quality) that Ronaldo brought.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38216.msg1026805#msg1026805 date=1262697958]
I think Riera can be a useful player in a team brimming with superstars, as the opposition have their hands full keeping track of the real quality. He is also much better when those around him give him options with intelligent movement.
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I don't think anyone can disagree with that, but the same would apply to any half decent attacker out there - the problem is we're not Barcelona or Spain. We've had spells of playing some really good stuff under Rafa but there is always the danger of reverting back to type when we're not in top form - we've seen it too many times - because that style of play isn't inherent in our team or manager.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=38216.msg1026805#msg1026805 date=1262697958]
A pacey player is vital as far as I'm concerned but with the likes of Gonzalez and Babel still fresh in the mind, genuine quality is of utmost importance for whoever comes in next.
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I remember a couple years ago, we used to have big threads talking about the types of attacker we needed and robin, for example, was a big advocate of the attacking midfielder and clever passing interplay whereas I had for years banged on about individual explosive talent. And pace. With more of that, you become less reliant on Barca esque pass and move team play, which I think for this team is a good thing.
Now, you might say, "oh great, well find us another 100M and we'll sign a couple more players like Torres", but they don't all have to be of that standard. Reading for all their fighting spirit were pretty poor the other day but in McAnuff or whatever the fuck his name was, they had pace and a constant out ball, which made them dangerous. I've seen very little of Utd this season but I'm sure Ferguson signed Valencia to ensure that at the very least, they retained the pace (if not the supreme quality) that Ronaldo brought.
I have no idea. We don't really have enough money to go after the big boys, so we're left looking for a decent punt.
I mentioned Elia last season who really impressed me for Van Claren's Twente in the UEFA Cup - he looked pretty skillful and fucking lightning. I have to be honest though and say I've not seen him enough to really judge him properly - was excited to see us linked to him earlier this season though.
I mentioned Elia last season who really impressed me for Van Claren's Twente in the UEFA Cup - he looked pretty skillful and fucking lightning. I have to be honest though and say I've not seen him enough to really judge him properly - was excited to see us linked to him earlier this season though.
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38216.msg1026239#msg1026239 date=1262624040]
Where will Rafa play him?
On the right but will he drop Kuyt?
In the middle but what about Mascher, Aqua and Lucas?
On the left? Thats not his position so I guess thats probably where Rafa is gonna play him.
Good player but lacks match fitness at the moment.
Our main priority is a striker.
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Our main priority is to find improved cover for our paper thin squad - which includes finding quality out wide and a striker. So he is a "good player" by your own admission but its still not good enough? Fucking hell Toni, you're becoming as boring as Rage.
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He's a good player but i have some doubts he can make it at a big club like LFC and in another country.
Our main priority is a striker then possibly a good winger.
Rodriguez woul be a good addition but If Torres gets injured again we'll be in trouble regardless.
I'd be a lot more confident with RVN as our backup striker.
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=38216.msg1026239#msg1026239 date=1262624040]
Where will Rafa play him?
On the right but will he drop Kuyt?
In the middle but what about Mascher, Aqua and Lucas?
On the left? Thats not his position so I guess thats probably where Rafa is gonna play him.
Good player but lacks match fitness at the moment.
Our main priority is a striker.
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Our main priority is to find improved cover for our paper thin squad - which includes finding quality out wide and a striker. So he is a "good player" by your own admission but its still not good enough? Fucking hell Toni, you're becoming as boring as Rage.
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He's a good player but i have some doubts he can make it at a big club like LFC and in another country.
Our main priority is a striker then possibly a good winger.
Rodriguez woul be a good addition but If Torres gets injured again we'll be in trouble regardless.
I'd be a lot more confident with RVN as our backup striker.
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=38216.msg1026874#msg1026874 date=1262703471]
But because we buy maxi doesn't mean we won't get a striker! FFs at least wait til the window is closed to slate any purchases
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Yup that's what I dont understand. If there is a good player who can improve us and available on the cheap then we should sign him as soon as possible. That doesnt mean that we're not prioritising a striker.
But because we buy maxi doesn't mean we won't get a striker! FFs at least wait til the window is closed to slate any purchases
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Yup that's what I dont understand. If there is a good player who can improve us and available on the cheap then we should sign him as soon as possible. That doesnt mean that we're not prioritising a striker.
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18.28 The latest instalment of our Maxi Rodriguez watch comes from Guillem Balague, who claims the Atletico Madrid midfielder is very close to finalizing a two and a half year deal with Liverpool. He has been left out of the Spanish club's squad ahead of Wednesday's Cup tie against Recreativo.
18.28 The latest instalment of our Maxi Rodriguez watch comes from Guillem Balague, who claims the Atletico Madrid midfielder is very close to finalizing a two and a half year deal with Liverpool. He has been left out of the Spanish club's squad ahead of Wednesday's Cup tie against Recreativo.
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