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Mascherano to sign a new contract this week?
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Does everyone have to quote so much?
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People don't edit their quotes, so it ends up with quotes of quotes of quotes, rather than just a simple line.
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It is if you run Opera mini.
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Does everyone have to quote so much?
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People don't edit their quotes, so it ends up with quotes of quotes of quotes, rather than just a simple line.
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It is if you run Opera mini.
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Fantastic news if true. To lose both of them would be a devastating blow as they're both amongst the best in their respective positions.
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Mascherano is top 3 in his position, if not the best.
The gap between Xabi and the best (Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Gerrard, Kaka etc) is rather large. I'd still rather have a happy Xabi with us, but he's not 'amongst the best'
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Only Xavi is comparable to Xabi from that list. And I don't agree that there's a gulf between them at all. There are very few players we could buy who could do what Alonso does, particularly in the Premiership.
Both him and Masher are rare breeds, but one is essential to the way we play while the other, although great at what he does, is not. I think that's the crux of it really.
Of course, all that is immaterial, since Alonso is the most likely to leave. If he does go though, I think those claiming he'll be easy to replace will be eating their words come the new season.
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Fantastic news if true. To lose both of them would be a devastating blow as they're both amongst the best in their respective positions.
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Mascherano is top 3 in his position, if not the best.
The gap between Xabi and the best (Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Gerrard, Kaka etc) is rather large. I'd still rather have a happy Xabi with us, but he's not 'amongst the best'
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Only Xavi is comparable to Xabi from that list. And I don't agree that there's a gulf between them at all. There are very few players we could buy who could do what Alonso does, particularly in the Premiership.
Both him and Masher are rare breeds, but one is essential to the way we play while the other, although great at what he does, is not. I think that's the crux of it really.
Of course, all that is immaterial, since Alonso is the most likely to leave. If he does go though, I think those claiming he'll be easy to replace will be eating their words come the new season.
If they are it's probably because they realise he no longer wanted to play for the club. If the same is true for Alonso then goodbye Xabi as far as I'm concerned. And at least have the bollocks to put in a transfer request - what's the issue with doing that ? Is it because he believes he's entitled to some form of loyalty fee? Well that would be ironic. I no longer want to play for a club but I'd like to be paid for my loyalty. Or is it because he doesn't want to appear like he wants to leave the club? Well, sorry Xabi, but if the only way you 'appear' to not want to leave the club is to actually NOT want to leave. Coming out and saying you're happy to stay at the club will dispel those rumours but you haven't done that ergo it's relatively obvious you do.
And I'm getting a bit sick of people justifying his decision to move on on the basis that 'we' tried to get rid of him. 'We' didn't. Maybe Benitez had plans to do that but the majority of fans I spoke to last year did not want to sacrifice Alonso for Barry. As I've said before the fans make the foundations of this club more than anything else. Without us the football club is pointless. I wish some players would realise that.
Wouldn't it be refreshing for Xabi Alonso to come out and say "Look, Benitez pissed me off last year by trying to sell me for someone who turned out to be nothing more than a run-of-the-mill greedy cunt. I can't work with him anymore - he's going nowhere so it's best I do - so I'd like to move to Real Madrid. Thus I'm throwing in my transfer request"
I wonder also, if Alonso, does actually move to Real how it would be received in his Basque homeland. Didn't the Sociedad fans plead with him not to go to Real when we signed him ?
Personally, I'd like us to keep him because he's an excellent proven Premiership player. If he want's to go then he should do the right thing, hand in the transfer request, fuck off to wherever and move on so the club can move on also and get on with our business.
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Sorry for quoting the whole thing but I agree with every word of this 8)
And I'm getting a bit sick of people justifying his decision to move on on the basis that 'we' tried to get rid of him. 'We' didn't. Maybe Benitez had plans to do that but the majority of fans I spoke to last year did not want to sacrifice Alonso for Barry. As I've said before the fans make the foundations of this club more than anything else. Without us the football club is pointless. I wish some players would realise that.
Wouldn't it be refreshing for Xabi Alonso to come out and say "Look, Benitez pissed me off last year by trying to sell me for someone who turned out to be nothing more than a run-of-the-mill greedy cunt. I can't work with him anymore - he's going nowhere so it's best I do - so I'd like to move to Real Madrid. Thus I'm throwing in my transfer request"
I wonder also, if Alonso, does actually move to Real how it would be received in his Basque homeland. Didn't the Sociedad fans plead with him not to go to Real when we signed him ?
Personally, I'd like us to keep him because he's an excellent proven Premiership player. If he want's to go then he should do the right thing, hand in the transfer request, fuck off to wherever and move on so the club can move on also and get on with our business.
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Sorry for quoting the whole thing but I agree with every word of this 8)
You can't just reply?
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=34708.msg905490#msg905490 date=1247568116]
Fantastic news if true. To lose both of them would be a devastating blow as they're both amongst the best in their respective positions.
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Mascherano is top 3 in his position, if not the best.
The gap between Xabi and the best (Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Gerrard, Kaka etc) is rather large. I'd still rather have a happy Xabi with us, but he's not 'amongst the best'
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Only Xavi is comparable to Xabi from that list. And I don't agree that there's a gulf between them at all. There are very few players we could buy who could do what Alonso does, particularly in the Premiership.
Both him and Masher are rare breeds, but one is essential to the way we play while the other, although great at what he does, is not. I think that's the crux of it really.
Of course, all that is immaterial, since Alonso is the most likely to leave. If he does go though, I think those claiming he'll be easy to replace will be eating their words come the new season.
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Nobody's said that. What some of us have said is that Mascher would be even harder to replace. I just hope those who, like you apparently, think he's not essential to the way we play don't have to find out the hard way how wrong that is.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=34708.msg905490#msg905490 date=1247568116]
Fantastic news if true. To lose both of them would be a devastating blow as they're both amongst the best in their respective positions.
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Mascherano is top 3 in his position, if not the best.
The gap between Xabi and the best (Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Gerrard, Kaka etc) is rather large. I'd still rather have a happy Xabi with us, but he's not 'amongst the best'
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Only Xavi is comparable to Xabi from that list. And I don't agree that there's a gulf between them at all. There are very few players we could buy who could do what Alonso does, particularly in the Premiership.
Both him and Masher are rare breeds, but one is essential to the way we play while the other, although great at what he does, is not. I think that's the crux of it really.
Of course, all that is immaterial, since Alonso is the most likely to leave. If he does go though, I think those claiming he'll be easy to replace will be eating their words come the new season.
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Nobody's said that. What some of us have said is that Mascher would be even harder to replace. I just hope those who, like you apparently, think he's not essential to the way we play don't have to find out the hard way how wrong that is.
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Xabi isn't even the best passer at LFC.
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of course he is. alonso is definately a better passer than gerrard is that is the point you're trying to make.
Xabi isn't even the best passer at LFC.
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of course he is. alonso is definately a better passer than gerrard is that is the point you're trying to make.
masher is more important to us than alonso and yet 'somehow' alonso was our player of the season? how does that work exactly?
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[quote author=koze link=topic=34708.msg905907#msg905907 date=1247614911]
Xabi isn't even the best passer at LFC.
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of course he is. alonso is definately a better passer than gerrard is that is the point you're trying to make.
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I think Xabi is more suited to the playmaking role and spreading the ball about, but in terms of Hollywood balls, Gerrard is the best for me.
[quote author=koze link=topic=34708.msg905907#msg905907 date=1247614911]
Xabi isn't even the best passer at LFC.
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of course he is. alonso is definately a better passer than gerrard is that is the point you're trying to make.
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I think Xabi is more suited to the playmaking role and spreading the ball about, but in terms of Hollywood balls, Gerrard is the best for me.
Benitez will not be happy with the Mascher thing complicating his plans.
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
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[quote author=koze link=topic=34708.msg905907#msg905907 date=1247614911]
Xabi isn't even the best passer at LFC.
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of course he is. alonso is definately a better passer than gerrard is that is the point you're trying to make.
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I think Xabi is more suited to the playmaking role and spreading the ball about, but in terms of Hollywood balls, Gerrard is the best for me.
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for me it's alonso. he can put the ball on the recieving player's toe from anywhere on the pitch. Gerrard isn't far behind though, if alonso is a perfect 10 then gerrard is a 9.
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[quote author=koze link=topic=34708.msg905907#msg905907 date=1247614911]
Xabi isn't even the best passer at LFC.
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of course he is. alonso is definately a better passer than gerrard is that is the point you're trying to make.
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I think Xabi is more suited to the playmaking role and spreading the ball about, but in terms of Hollywood balls, Gerrard is the best for me.
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for me it's alonso. he can put the ball on the recieving player's toe from anywhere on the pitch. Gerrard isn't far behind though, if alonso is a perfect 10 then gerrard is a 9.
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Benitez will not be happy with the Mascher thing complicating his plans.
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
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personally I think (IF) alonso is sold rafa will use every penny to buy either villa (doubtful) or silva. the back up strikers will be 'the crow' and wash ngo.
Benitez will not be happy with the Mascher thing complicating his plans.
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
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personally I think (IF) alonso is sold rafa will use every penny to buy either villa (doubtful) or silva. the back up strikers will be 'the crow' and wash ngo.
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Benitez will not be happy with the Mascher thing complicating his plans.
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
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personally I think (IF) alonso is sold rafa will use every penny to buy either villa (doubtful) or silva. the back up strikers will be 'the crow' and wash ngo.
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So we have Lucas and Mascher in the middle
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Benitez will not be happy with the Mascher thing complicating his plans.
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
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personally I think (IF) alonso is sold rafa will use every penny to buy either villa (doubtful) or silva. the back up strikers will be 'the crow' and wash ngo.
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So we have Lucas and Mascher in the middle
Can we be so sure about that Rafa's really looking for a £25M+ winger (or whatever Silva etc. will cost) ?
With his comments about Johnson justifying his price tag because of his attacking play and talking about that top class wingers cost way too much these days, I'm not that sure.
At the moment we have Kuyt, Riera, Babel, Benayoun... I wouldn't even be surprised to see fucking Voronin there, if he's to stay, and Johnson will probably play as RM in some games too. And Dossena, anyone? 😛
I really hope we sign a top class winger, but I'm not convinced.
With his comments about Johnson justifying his price tag because of his attacking play and talking about that top class wingers cost way too much these days, I'm not that sure.
At the moment we have Kuyt, Riera, Babel, Benayoun... I wouldn't even be surprised to see fucking Voronin there, if he's to stay, and Johnson will probably play as RM in some games too. And Dossena, anyone? 😛
I really hope we sign a top class winger, but I'm not convinced.
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I really hope we sign a top class winger, but I'm not convinced.
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Me neither, but a versatile attacker could be the difference for us this season in the absence of and to supplement the goals of Gerrard and Torres. Ideally someone who's comfortable wide and uptop.
I really hope we sign a top class winger, but I'm not convinced.
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Me neither, but a versatile attacker could be the difference for us this season in the absence of and to supplement the goals of Gerrard and Torres. Ideally someone who's comfortable wide and uptop.
Kia was on SSN yesterday talking about Mascherano saying he was very much an LFC player.
But finished of by saying the transfer window was still open, so you never know. Pretty much what you'd expect from him really, he wouldn't say he was one way or the other. But the Mascherano situation certainly seems more open than the Alonso one. It could finish either way.
But finished of by saying the transfer window was still open, so you never know. Pretty much what you'd expect from him really, he wouldn't say he was one way or the other. But the Mascherano situation certainly seems more open than the Alonso one. It could finish either way.
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=34708.msg906026#msg906026 date=1247650033]
Benitez will not be happy with the Mascher thing complicating his plans.
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
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*bites VQ's hand off*
Benitez will not be happy with the Mascher thing complicating his plans.
I am pretty sure he knew, one way or another , that Xabi would be off, and through his apparent reluctance to let him go, has orchestrated big bucks for when he does.
We will start the new season with Mascher , without Xabi , but with a player that can play wide a Xabi replacement and a back-up forward.
regards
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*bites VQ's hand off*
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Hopefully this means they've given up on Mascherano.
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Why do they even want another DM?
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True Yaya signed his contract and Busquets has come on leaps and bounds.
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Hopefully this means they've given up on Mascherano.
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Why do they even want another DM?
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True Yaya signed his contract and Busquets has come on leaps and bounds.
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those facts are rubbish.
xabi's passes are short range, long range and penetrative, I'd argue the majority of masher's passes are simple bread and butter.
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Have you got any rubbish facts to back that up. If they were so penetrative, like Xavi's, I'm sure he's got bucketloads of assists. Oh, 1 more than Lucas.
Anyways the point was Mascherano was being called at as inconsistent. He's clearly no more or less consistent than anyone else.
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I don't think you need 'rubbish facts to back it up', Masher's made far less passes and you only have to watch him play to see that the majority of his play is based on just doing the simple things. Nowt wrong with that, but occasionally his play can be sloppy too and he's nowhere near as ambitious or able with his passing as Xabi is.
Alonso is by far a more clinical, specialist passer, you don't need stats to back that up. His passes are penetrative from a deeper role and position than Xavi's, that's why he doesn't get many direct assists, it's his role at the start of such moves that's of massive importance.
What's the point in comparing him to Xavi when his play is usually 10-20 yards deeper?
It doesn't take a genius to appreciate and recognise how important Xabi is to our attacking play, even if it doesn't have a direct impact in terms of assists.
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To be fair. (and this isnt really directed at anyone in particular) I for one am sick of hearing about how 'were nothing without Xabi' and 'we wont win the league without Xabi' and 'Were half a team without him' and 'Its the end of the fucking world if he leaves and takes his long balls with him'
Here's our LAST 5 results without Xabi in the side
PORTSMOUTH 2 - 3 LIVERPOOL
CITY 1 - 1 LIVERPOOL
MANCHESTER UNITED 1 - 4 LIVERPOOL
WEST HAM 0 - 3 LIVERPOOL
WESTBROM 0 - 2 LIVERPOOL
Pts - 13
Soooooo.....Not fucking bad then eh?
I like Xabi, but the way people go on on here, he's more important than Gerrard and fucking Torres. He isnt, he's a good passer who spreads play without scoring or creating goals for his team mates. THATS IT.
He keeps possession superbly well, but then so does Riera (who also passes well).
I wish youd all shut up, your making me want him to leave just to show these One man team fuckers that we arent and even if we were it wouldnt be fucking Xabi Alonso.
We'll be fine when he leaves, he doesnt create or control our tempo!! Someone just said that once and now people regurgitate it willy nilly. He's great, he isnt the be all and end all, and all this gnashing of teeth and biting of fingernails is making me look on perplexed and ever so slightly amused.
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I generally agree Oncy, I was just arguing the toss over the difference between Alonso and Masher and the pointlessness of taking stats at face value.
I wouldn't say we're THAT reliant on Xabi, but he does help keep the play moving in the middle of the park and is composed and controlled in his play, he helps dictate the tempo which is a difficult quality to replace.
It's not the end of the World if he goes though, we've lost and replaced better players.
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Yeah, the way its spun on here though is that he is THE ONLY proffessional footballer who can actually pass a football. Im not sure about all this tempo bollocks either. He gets the ball and he looks for the best pass and he passes it. Thats it. Thats what a Xabi does. He doesnt hurt you, he doesnt win games, he doesnt even stop you losing games. He just passes well. Which is fine. But im sick of hearing how he's fucking unique and that we must all abandon hope if he leaves. NA fuck that, we'll just get another footballer who can pass the ball. THERES FUCKING MILLIONS OF THEM!
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"He gets the ball and passes it. Thats it."
I can't believe the biggest club in World football are gonna fall for this! They're prepared to part with 30M odd for a one-trick pony!
Absolute fucking arse Oncy.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34708.msg905640#msg905640 date=1247577084]
those facts are rubbish.
xabi's passes are short range, long range and penetrative, I'd argue the majority of masher's passes are simple bread and butter.
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Have you got any rubbish facts to back that up. If they were so penetrative, like Xavi's, I'm sure he's got bucketloads of assists. Oh, 1 more than Lucas.
Anyways the point was Mascherano was being called at as inconsistent. He's clearly no more or less consistent than anyone else.
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I don't think you need 'rubbish facts to back it up', Masher's made far less passes and you only have to watch him play to see that the majority of his play is based on just doing the simple things. Nowt wrong with that, but occasionally his play can be sloppy too and he's nowhere near as ambitious or able with his passing as Xabi is.
Alonso is by far a more clinical, specialist passer, you don't need stats to back that up. His passes are penetrative from a deeper role and position than Xavi's, that's why he doesn't get many direct assists, it's his role at the start of such moves that's of massive importance.
What's the point in comparing him to Xavi when his play is usually 10-20 yards deeper?
It doesn't take a genius to appreciate and recognise how important Xabi is to our attacking play, even if it doesn't have a direct impact in terms of assists.
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To be fair. (and this isnt really directed at anyone in particular) I for one am sick of hearing about how 'were nothing without Xabi' and 'we wont win the league without Xabi' and 'Were half a team without him' and 'Its the end of the fucking world if he leaves and takes his long balls with him'
Here's our LAST 5 results without Xabi in the side
PORTSMOUTH 2 - 3 LIVERPOOL
CITY 1 - 1 LIVERPOOL
MANCHESTER UNITED 1 - 4 LIVERPOOL
WEST HAM 0 - 3 LIVERPOOL
WESTBROM 0 - 2 LIVERPOOL
Pts - 13
Soooooo.....Not fucking bad then eh?
I like Xabi, but the way people go on on here, he's more important than Gerrard and fucking Torres. He isnt, he's a good passer who spreads play without scoring or creating goals for his team mates. THATS IT.
He keeps possession superbly well, but then so does Riera (who also passes well).
I wish youd all shut up, your making me want him to leave just to show these One man team fuckers that we arent and even if we were it wouldnt be fucking Xabi Alonso.
We'll be fine when he leaves, he doesnt create or control our tempo!! Someone just said that once and now people regurgitate it willy nilly. He's great, he isnt the be all and end all, and all this gnashing of teeth and biting of fingernails is making me look on perplexed and ever so slightly amused.
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I generally agree Oncy, I was just arguing the toss over the difference between Alonso and Masher and the pointlessness of taking stats at face value.
I wouldn't say we're THAT reliant on Xabi, but he does help keep the play moving in the middle of the park and is composed and controlled in his play, he helps dictate the tempo which is a difficult quality to replace.
It's not the end of the World if he goes though, we've lost and replaced better players.
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Yeah, the way its spun on here though is that he is THE ONLY proffessional footballer who can actually pass a football. Im not sure about all this tempo bollocks either. He gets the ball and he looks for the best pass and he passes it. Thats it. Thats what a Xabi does. He doesnt hurt you, he doesnt win games, he doesnt even stop you losing games. He just passes well. Which is fine. But im sick of hearing how he's fucking unique and that we must all abandon hope if he leaves. NA fuck that, we'll just get another footballer who can pass the ball. THERES FUCKING MILLIONS OF THEM!
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"He gets the ball and passes it. Thats it."
I can't believe the biggest club in World football are gonna fall for this! They're prepared to part with 30M odd for a one-trick pony!
Absolute fucking arse Oncy.
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34708.msg905640#msg905640 date=1247577084]
those facts are rubbish.
xabi's passes are short range, long range and penetrative, I'd argue the majority of masher's passes are simple bread and butter.
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Have you got any rubbish facts to back that up. If they were so penetrative, like Xavi's, I'm sure he's got bucketloads of assists. Oh, 1 more than Lucas.
Anyways the point was Mascherano was being called at as inconsistent. He's clearly no more or less consistent than anyone else.
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I don't think you need 'rubbish facts to back it up', Masher's made far less passes and you only have to watch him play to see that the majority of his play is based on just doing the simple things. Nowt wrong with that, but occasionally his play can be sloppy too and he's nowhere near as ambitious or able with his passing as Xabi is.
Alonso is by far a more clinical, specialist passer, you don't need stats to back that up. His passes are penetrative from a deeper role and position than Xavi's, that's why he doesn't get many direct assists, it's his role at the start of such moves that's of massive importance.
What's the point in comparing him to Xavi when his play is usually 10-20 yards deeper?
It doesn't take a genius to appreciate and recognise how important Xabi is to our attacking play, even if it doesn't have a direct impact in terms of assists.
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To be fair. (and this isnt really directed at anyone in particular) I for one am sick of hearing about how 'were nothing without Xabi' and 'we wont win the league without Xabi' and 'Were half a team without him' and 'Its the end of the fucking world if he leaves and takes his long balls with him'
Here's our LAST 5 results without Xabi in the side
PORTSMOUTH 2 - 3 LIVERPOOL
CITY 1 - 1 LIVERPOOL
MANCHESTER UNITED 1 - 4 LIVERPOOL
WEST HAM 0 - 3 LIVERPOOL
WESTBROM 0 - 2 LIVERPOOL
Pts - 13
Soooooo.....Not fucking bad then eh?
I like Xabi, but the way people go on on here, he's more important than Gerrard and fucking Torres. He isnt, he's a good passer who spreads play without scoring or creating goals for his team mates. THATS IT.
He keeps possession superbly well, but then so does Riera (who also passes well).
I wish youd all shut up, your making me want him to leave just to show these One man team fuckers that we arent and even if we were it wouldnt be fucking Xabi Alonso.
We'll be fine when he leaves, he doesnt create or control our tempo!! Someone just said that once and now people regurgitate it willy nilly. He's great, he isnt the be all and end all, and all this gnashing of teeth and biting of fingernails is making me look on perplexed and ever so slightly amused.
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I generally agree Oncy, I was just arguing the toss over the difference between Alonso and Masher and the pointlessness of taking stats at face value.
I wouldn't say we're THAT reliant on Xabi, but he does help keep the play moving in the middle of the park and is composed and controlled in his play, he helps dictate the tempo which is a difficult quality to replace.
It's not the end of the World if he goes though, we've lost and replaced better players.
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Yeah, the way its spun on here though is that he is THE ONLY proffessional footballer who can actually pass a football. Im not sure about all this tempo bollocks either. He gets the ball and he looks for the best pass and he passes it. Thats it. Thats what a Xabi does. He doesnt hurt you, he doesnt win games, he doesnt even stop you losing games. He just passes well. Which is fine. But im sick of hearing how he's fucking unique and that we must all abandon hope if he leaves. NA fuck that, we'll just get another footballer who can pass the ball. THERES FUCKING MILLIONS OF THEM!
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"He gets the ball and passes it. Thats it."
I can't believe the biggest club in World football are gonna fall for this! They're prepared to part with 30M odd for a one-trick pony!
Absolute fucking arse Oncy.
[/quote]You mean the same club who signed Gabriel Heinz, Mohammed Diarra, Raul Bravo etc yeah, they never EVER sign players who are less than perfect ay?
So you tell me, what does Xabi do other than get it-pass it?
Score? nope
Create/assist? nope
Quality set pieces? nope
Win it back? nope
Great tackles? nope
so what? What am i missing? He gets it, he passes it. Thats it, thats what he does. His passing most of the time is sublime, long or short. But thats what he does. The aura of Xabi that exists on scm is a lot better than the actual Xabi. I mean its a wonder we've managed to lose ANY of the trophies available to us this past 4 years what with this all conquering hero god in the middle of the park tearing teams assunder with his astonishing range of skills.
I say again. He gets it. He passes it. End of fucking list.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34708.msg905692#msg905692 date=1247584232]
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=34708.msg905656#msg905656 date=1247578876]
[quote author=drizzt link=topic=34708.msg905643#msg905643 date=1247577301]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34708.msg905640#msg905640 date=1247577084]
those facts are rubbish.
xabi's passes are short range, long range and penetrative, I'd argue the majority of masher's passes are simple bread and butter.
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Have you got any rubbish facts to back that up. If they were so penetrative, like Xavi's, I'm sure he's got bucketloads of assists. Oh, 1 more than Lucas.
Anyways the point was Mascherano was being called at as inconsistent. He's clearly no more or less consistent than anyone else.
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I don't think you need 'rubbish facts to back it up', Masher's made far less passes and you only have to watch him play to see that the majority of his play is based on just doing the simple things. Nowt wrong with that, but occasionally his play can be sloppy too and he's nowhere near as ambitious or able with his passing as Xabi is.
Alonso is by far a more clinical, specialist passer, you don't need stats to back that up. His passes are penetrative from a deeper role and position than Xavi's, that's why he doesn't get many direct assists, it's his role at the start of such moves that's of massive importance.
What's the point in comparing him to Xavi when his play is usually 10-20 yards deeper?
It doesn't take a genius to appreciate and recognise how important Xabi is to our attacking play, even if it doesn't have a direct impact in terms of assists.
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To be fair. (and this isnt really directed at anyone in particular) I for one am sick of hearing about how 'were nothing without Xabi' and 'we wont win the league without Xabi' and 'Were half a team without him' and 'Its the end of the fucking world if he leaves and takes his long balls with him'
Here's our LAST 5 results without Xabi in the side
PORTSMOUTH 2 - 3 LIVERPOOL
CITY 1 - 1 LIVERPOOL
MANCHESTER UNITED 1 - 4 LIVERPOOL
WEST HAM 0 - 3 LIVERPOOL
WESTBROM 0 - 2 LIVERPOOL
Pts - 13
Soooooo.....Not fucking bad then eh?
I like Xabi, but the way people go on on here, he's more important than Gerrard and fucking Torres. He isnt, he's a good passer who spreads play without scoring or creating goals for his team mates. THATS IT.
He keeps possession superbly well, but then so does Riera (who also passes well).
I wish youd all shut up, your making me want him to leave just to show these One man team fuckers that we arent and even if we were it wouldnt be fucking Xabi Alonso.
We'll be fine when he leaves, he doesnt create or control our tempo!! Someone just said that once and now people regurgitate it willy nilly. He's great, he isnt the be all and end all, and all this gnashing of teeth and biting of fingernails is making me look on perplexed and ever so slightly amused.
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I generally agree Oncy, I was just arguing the toss over the difference between Alonso and Masher and the pointlessness of taking stats at face value.
I wouldn't say we're THAT reliant on Xabi, but he does help keep the play moving in the middle of the park and is composed and controlled in his play, he helps dictate the tempo which is a difficult quality to replace.
It's not the end of the World if he goes though, we've lost and replaced better players.
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Yeah, the way its spun on here though is that he is THE ONLY proffessional footballer who can actually pass a football. Im not sure about all this tempo bollocks either. He gets the ball and he looks for the best pass and he passes it. Thats it. Thats what a Xabi does. He doesnt hurt you, he doesnt win games, he doesnt even stop you losing games. He just passes well. Which is fine. But im sick of hearing how he's fucking unique and that we must all abandon hope if he leaves. NA fuck that, we'll just get another footballer who can pass the ball. THERES FUCKING MILLIONS OF THEM!
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"He gets the ball and passes it. Thats it."
I can't believe the biggest club in World football are gonna fall for this! They're prepared to part with 30M odd for a one-trick pony!
Absolute fucking arse Oncy.
[/quote]You mean the same club who signed Gabriel Heinz, Mohammed Diarra, Raul Bravo etc yeah, they never EVER sign players who are less than perfect ay?
So you tell me, what does Xabi do other than get it-pass it?
Score? nope
Create/assist? nope
Quality set pieces? nope
Win it back? nope
Great tackles? nope
so what? What am i missing? He gets it, he passes it. Thats it, thats what he does. His passing most of the time is sublime, long or short. But thats what he does. The aura of Xabi that exists on scm is a lot better than the actual Xabi. I mean its a wonder we've managed to lose ANY of the trophies available to us this past 4 years what with this all conquering hero god in the middle of the park tearing teams assunder with his astonishing range of skills.
I say again. He gets it. He passes it. End of fucking list.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34708.msg907313#msg907313 date=1247823201]
He gets it, he passes it. Thats it, thats what he does. His passing most of the time is sublime, long or short.
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There are not 'millions' who can pass like Xabi, Herr. As precise, as clinical.
That's why he is going to cost so much.
He is a supreme player, one of the finest in Europe in my eyes.
I'd also disagree with you about his tacking, ball winning ability.
I have seen and can recall him breaking up plenty of attacks.
He gets it, he passes it. Thats it, thats what he does. His passing most of the time is sublime, long or short.
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There are not 'millions' who can pass like Xabi, Herr. As precise, as clinical.
That's why he is going to cost so much.
He is a supreme player, one of the finest in Europe in my eyes.
I'd also disagree with you about his tacking, ball winning ability.
I have seen and can recall him breaking up plenty of attacks.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34708.msg907313#msg907313 date=1247823201]
He gets it, he passes it. Thats it, thats what he does. His passing most of the time is sublime, long or short.
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There are not 'millions' who can pass like Xabi, Herr. As precise, as clinical.
That's why he is going to cost so much.
He is a supreme player, one of the finest in Europe in my eyes.
I'd also disagree with you about his tacking, ball winning ability.
I have seen and can recall him breaking up plenty of attacks.
[/quote]I really dont care mate. Im sick fucking talking about him. I think he's a dick for wanting to leave, and i dont think it will affect us that much.
Im done arguing about him. He wants to leave. Fine. See ya.
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34708.msg907313#msg907313 date=1247823201]
He gets it, he passes it. Thats it, thats what he does. His passing most of the time is sublime, long or short.
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There are not 'millions' who can pass like Xabi, Herr. As precise, as clinical.
That's why he is going to cost so much.
He is a supreme player, one of the finest in Europe in my eyes.
I'd also disagree with you about his tacking, ball winning ability.
I have seen and can recall him breaking up plenty of attacks.
[/quote]I really dont care mate. Im sick fucking talking about him. I think he's a dick for wanting to leave, and i dont think it will affect us that much.
Im done arguing about him. He wants to leave. Fine. See ya.
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