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Martinez sacked
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Tactical ingenuity from us.
Yeah, I'm a little doubtful that the actual job was offered to Martinez. We don't know the real conversation, regardless of what Martinez says. Because why on Earth would anyone turn down Liverpool and then join Everton?
As for De Boer, his conversations may well have come to nothing because of loyalty to Ajax. Certainly his grand plan can't have been to snub offers from Liverpool and Spurs in order to then fail to retain the Eredivisie title twice, in order to join Everton.
As for the Henry chats, it was obvious he didn't really know anything about football, so that explains the interest in Martinez, who nobody wanted ahead of Rodgers anyway. Both of them are similar in many ways; the relentless positivity, the football ideology, no idea how to defend, but Rodgers was always the better choice out of the two
De Boer was strongly being touted as a future Barca manager when he turned us down. How his stock has fallen this year. All the Ajax fans I know wanted him out. He did resign but it was hours before a meeting with the board where he was probably going to be sacked. It will be interesting to see how he does somewhere else. At Ajax he is just the coach. The style of footy is set from the youth team upwards and other people do the buying and selling. Expect a 4-3-3.
He will have a decent knowledge of good cheapish players and should get respect for his 4 titles in a row and his formidable playing career. It will be interesting to see how it translates though.
He will have a decent knowledge of good cheapish players and should get respect for his 4 titles in a row and his formidable playing career. It will be interesting to see how it translates though.
Why has his stock fallen from Barcelona to Everton cloggy? Curious to know. He won 4 championships in 6 season and was one goal away from winning 5 in 6. No other Ajax manager has that record. He has integrated the youth very well into the first team. His record in Europe is patchy but his record in the league is very impressive?
He has to integrate the youth as that's the model. Ajax hadn't won the Eredivisie for something like 7 years before he won 4 in a row. You'd think he would get more leeway as I'm pretty sure PSV have been outspending him but Ajax fans are a certain breed. They expect fast attacking successful football and they just aren't happy with him. They were absolutely gash in the last match. Milik was so bad he was taken off even though they needed a goal to win the league and El Ghazi was moved up front. They ended up with a draw against a team that will probably be relegated (stupid relegation play off bollocks).
The fans there must be one spoilt lot. 5 titles as a player, member of the legendary Ajax team which won the champions league, revived Ajax fortunes as a manager with 4 titles. Most clubs would erect statues for such performance.
I much prefer the Ajax style of footy but enjoy going to Feyenoord more as the fans are much better. Capital cities always seem to have that arrogance.
Must be a bit frustrating though having 4 European Cups with no real prospect of another. Massive Premiership TV deals have not been kind to other football.
I was wondering whether that'd come up as well. It'd bring him "home" to Merseyside but there is no real hope of elevating that club beyond their current status unless further investment is brought in.
I'd hate if Rafa went there.
Everton have been shite for 2 years though so whoever they get it will surely be an improvement.
Everton have been shite for 2 years though so whoever they get it will surely be an improvement.
Didn't think Rafa wanted to go to a little club.
Even if Everton wanted Rafa (and I know one bluenose fan who'd be delighted to get him), I'd lay odds that Rafa would never go there. It's one thing to manage a club other than LFC - Rafa's a football manager and still wants to work - but it'd be another thing altogether to manage the other club in the same city. If he were without a job and theirs were the only offer it just might be possible, but that's not the situation. I actually reckon he might stay at the Toon if they give him total control.
Only someone who just can't be @rsed to think it through properly would describe the issue as "fictitious". There's a reason why only very few players, and no manager, have ever made the swap.
Then you and I have a different take on what fictitious means.
Yes, in normal circumstances I wouldn't want a successful Liverpool manager to manage Everton but in Rafa's case with him living in city, I'd definitely understand if he put all that aside for his family's sake.
Carra was a boyhood blue so was Macca and Fowler.
Ablett played for both teams.
In the end it's a game. Your so called rival, could be your neighbour, a co-worker or even someone in your family.
It's fictitious.
It's not "fictitious". If it was then far more players would have played for both clubs, given their extreme proximity.
And before you bring up Carragher or Fowler or any other "boyhood Evertonian), did they ever play for Everton? Would they ever have played for Everton? How about Gerrard? Likely?
No, it fucking well isn't. So be quiet.
As for Benitez, well, as much as both sets of fans would have reservations, due to the entirely FACTUAL rivalry, it's not an impossibility, but given no manager has ever managed both clubs in their entire history, it would a first.
Ha, I liked that bit.
Don Hutchison a former LFC youth/senior player also played for both if I remember it correctly.
Osman a boyhood red playing for Everton and Leighton Baines.
Never thought it was so easy to switch loyalties.
To answer your question about why Fowler, Macca or Carra never went to Everton, why would they join a smaller team?
Still, my fictitious comment pertains to Rafa prioritising his family ahead of a "rivalry".
A lecture on the frivolous rivalry between Liverpool and Everton from a Swede.
Well, I'm gripped.
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And it's still rubbish. Rafa's family is massively important to him but he's now managed in three separate countries without them. He's important to them too and they've proven they understand the demands of his career.
What's your fucking point? Childhood supporters of one club might play for the other? So fucking what? Jamie Carragher isn't an Evertonian anymore. Neither is Fowler.
Nobody is saying that players have never played for both clubs. It's just not really common. Because of the obvious FACTUAL rivalry. And often it's not even relevant what the player might want. The clubs themselves know better. Which is why if we'd offered £30m for Rooney, we still wouldn't have been able to sign him. It would not have been allowed to happen.
And you can't say "fictitious rivalry" and then claim it was just pertaining to Benitez's situation. His situation and the very real rivalry between the clubs may well end up with him becoming the first manager in 123 years to manage both clubs, but the fact it hasn't happened yet says an awful lot about the FACTUAL rivalry that exists.
He doesn't need to coach Everton to be close to his family. I'm not privy to his finances, but I'd imagine he's quite a wealthy man.
OK, I give up, the rivalry is dead serious. People would never ever, even for millions of pounds consider switching to the opposite side of Stanley Park.
That game is basically a war of epic proportions, I'm talking "Trojan war".
Edit: Sorry the Trojan war was also fictitious.
Let's say the revolutionary war.
That game is basically a war of epic proportions, I'm talking "Trojan war".
Edit: Sorry the Trojan war was also fictitious.
Let's say the revolutionary war.
It's not about money, it's more about distance and time with his family. I'm guessing it's a 6-7 hour drive to and from Newcastle or whatever it takes with the train. That's 6-7 hours he could spend with his family daily.
Yes, he doesn't need to coach Everton, he could coach Tranmere, Bolton, Wigan, Blackburn, Crewe or Blackpool.
But we're talking top tier teams here.
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