Okay. It's embarrassing for a club with our level of funds have a £20M player who is unable to make the bench.
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Okay. It's embarrassing for a club with our level of funds have a £20M player who is unable to make the bench.
What is our level of funds though? We're consistently one of the bigger spenders in Europe, yet people still seem keen to paint us as small time. We're not up there with City and Chelsea but we're not far off in terms of spending, even if we do self impose a fairly modest wage structure. I agree we shouldn't be wasting money to that level though.
Very definitely I'd say.
We're fucking loaded mate.
He hasn't scored as many.
Alot of people seem to think hes either better than Sterling or well on his way to being so, Ive not seen anything from him yet to suggest thats the case. Markovic never looked comfortable for us, aside from that one game against Sunderland. Id be more inclined to think its Firmino thats pushed him out of the picture rather than Ibe, although the fact that Ibe was recalled from loan while Markovic was still there probably serves as an indication of the faith we had in him.
You also think Lallana is better than Coutinho and should take his place in the team.
Genk or Lille.
He stayed and rejected Barcelona because Rodgers Said he would build around him. It says that Agger felt he was promised a place vs City but got dumped.
He got injured. He Got dumped. No reach around. Silence. Kiss n make up and had a really good period of communication but pushed the move through as he didnt know if he could or wanted to trust Rodgers again.
He should have chosen Barcelona ..
Not quite...before the season kicked off, therefore based on previous seasons, I said I'd pick a fit and on form Lallana ahead of Coutinho. Coutinho has been very good so far (I think, without checking, I've had him in my top 3 MOTM for all 3 games). If I was making the call now then Coutinho would get the nod absolutely. I'm happy to judge players on form and if that means I change my mind over time, fair enough.
We're not small time, but if we wish to compete with Chelsea and City we cannot afford to get transfers so dramatically wrong. We've spent a lot in recent years due to high fees received for some star players, but we're not looking at more than £25M per season in terms of net-spend and in terms of revenue we're not amongst the biggest clubs, which means transfers like this hurt us. It could all turn around for him, but right now it looks a massive mistake and that's very frustrating.
Unless you have an elite budget then you are going to have to take chances in the market. This is where we are. As many of the signings the club makes are welcomed as complained about initially, some work, some don't. We can criticise because we don't have responsibility and have the benefit of hindsight.
The player market we're in is always going to be 50/50 until our revenues are much larger. We've tried moneyball, directors of football, committees, manager's pick etc etc. It's not as if we've been stubborn with our approach.
Markovich was seen by all the professionals as a winner, we knew little or nothing until we'd seen him for some time, our opinion is coloured by experience in the League, the club have to gamble he's going to click beforehand. Not an exact science.
The player market we're in is always going to be 50/50 until our revenues are much larger. We've tried moneyball, directors of football, committees, manager's pick etc etc. It's not as if we've been stubborn with our approach.
Markovich was seen by all the professionals as a winner, we knew little or nothing until we'd seen him for some time, our opinion is coloured by experience in the League, the club have to gamble he's going to click beforehand. Not an exact science.
Spot on there, my son.
It just goes to show the folly of last seasons poor spending.
Hopefully Markovic can get in the groove and improve his price so that we can recoup as much as possible.
Really very poor spending by the club, lallana, lovren (or sakho take your pick) and ballotelli and markovic... Fucking ludicrously poor planning.
Whoever was responsible should be fucking cleared out.
And sure it's not an advanced science, fair enough, but you've got to have a better hit rate especially when you are spunking 20 million a player...
Thats 85M pounds of resources basically not on the team and by no means is it the full story we've pissed away many more millions on a number of players not mentioned, getting decent scouts has got to be a priority ffs.
Hopefully Markovic can get in the groove and improve his price so that we can recoup as much as possible.
Really very poor spending by the club, lallana, lovren (or sakho take your pick) and ballotelli and markovic... Fucking ludicrously poor planning.
Whoever was responsible should be fucking cleared out.
And sure it's not an advanced science, fair enough, but you've got to have a better hit rate especially when you are spunking 20 million a player...
Thats 85M pounds of resources basically not on the team and by no means is it the full story we've pissed away many more millions on a number of players not mentioned, getting decent scouts has got to be a priority ffs.
No those were not bad signings, far from it. What was bad is how those signings were managed afterwards. Utterly stupid.
We used to sign some truly shit players under Hodgson, Benitez and Houllier. But most of our signings in the last few seasons are good players. We just conspire to treat them like shit and devalue them because that's how Rodgers rolls.
We used to sign some truly shit players under Hodgson, Benitez and Houllier. But most of our signings in the last few seasons are good players. We just conspire to treat them like shit and devalue them because that's how Rodgers rolls.
And it was universally agreed we wasted the money then too
Whether it's under Rodgers or in the past, in the current climate we CANNOT afford to waste a decent size of our transfer budget every year
Yeah I know this, I was just saying it's not like it's a new fad, Dantes suggested that we never did this under previous managers. Which is completely wrong. I could name a shit load more.
And Aquafanny. Another joke of a transfer
Yes that wasn't my suggestion. My suggestion is that we are identifying good players now, young, fast, tall, intelligent. So there is no need to slate the scouts. Unlike in the past.
The problem is managing them. Which was also a problem in the past but more often hidden by the fact that Houllier and Benitez had an obsession with buying utterly shit players who could never have worked no matter how well they were managed.
It's not that cut and dried though, you could watch Markovic and see there's talent there, but he's also lightweight and not too subtle in his approach play. People said he was a playmaker, I've not seen much in the way of an insightful pass, he couldn't take players on - he hit the ball and chased it. You win some you lose some. People said we mistreated him, we looked at his best traits and tried to utilise them, ie playing deeper meant he could drive at teams more, he liked to build up his speed over a few yards and that's where he was most effective. It worked for a while until he got found out defensively and offensively. It's not like we didn't try, when he played in his so called favoured positions he struggled.
He will have learned from that, then send him to the gym over the summer and you have an improvement. Instead we've discarded him and will follow the same process with Origi. That's not management or progress. Its making the same mistake over and over again.
Well it's only making the same mistake if it happens, it hasn't happened yet. For some perspective, read the thread from when we signed Gomez, everyone was saying it was a waste of money, another player who would go to waste, etc. We haven't repeated the process there.
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