• You may have to login or register before you can post and view our exclusive members only forums.
    To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Man City vs Liverpool PL

Status
Not open for further replies.
I can't believe people calling Keita rubbish like he's some sort of two-bit Southampton type player, oh wait...
 
Manchester City’s faltering press at risk against Klopp’s relentless Liverpool

Jonathan Wilson
With players now quicker and stronger, the champions can further expose Pep Guardiola’s misfiring side, whose ability to stop the opposition passing is waning
1385.jpg

Sunday’s meeting of Manchester City and Liverpool is not just between the past two Premier League champions and the two favourites to win the title this season or even Pep Guardiola and Jürgen Klopp, it is also a meeting of two different modes of pressing.
The tactical centre of European football is shifting. While the four German sides lead or are level on points at the top of their Champions League groups, Spanish clubs are struggling. It is true Barcelona and Real Madrid have specific issues of politics and recruitment, but there is also something more fundamental that can’t be fixed by a new president, a new coach or a new midfield. Last season was the first season since 2007 when there was no Spanish representation in the semi-finals of the Champions League; three of the coaches in the last four were German.
Pressing is not new. Since the game began, players have chased high up the pitch to try to dispossess opponents. It was in the 60s that it developed as a systematised, cohesive strategy that used an aggressive offside trap to mitigate the risk of leaving players unguarded in one part of the pitch to focus efforts elsewhere, pioneered most notably by Viktor Maslov at Dynamo Kyiv and Rinus Michels at Ajax.
Michels carried the theory to Barcelona and it was taken on by Osvaldo Zubeldía in Argentina and more widely in England, underpinning Liverpool’s successes of the late 70s. During the following decade, Arrigo Sacchi and Marcelo Bielsa developed their own variants.
Germany remained largely resistant, but a seed was sown in a training field near Ostfildern, south-east of Stuttgart, in February 1983 when Valeriy Lobanovskyi’s Dynamo Kyiv played the local sixth-tier side, Viktoria Backnang, as part of their winter training. Viktoria’s young player-manager was Ralf Rangnick and he was fascinated by the way Dynamo seemed always able to overman. He and his friend Helmut Gross, a structural engineer who had essentially taught himself tactical theory, started a movement. From their work grew the German school of today.
Until this summer Rangnick was head of sport and development at Red Bull. As such, he had a direct influence over coaches such as Julian Nagelsmann, Ralph Hasenhüttl, Marco Rose and Jesse Marsch. The improvement in Bayern’s pressing last season is largely credited to Danny Röhl, an assistant coach appointed from Southampton who had worked under Rangnick at Leipzig.
One of Rangnick’s fellow-thinkers in the early days was Wolfgang Frank. Drawing specific inspiration from Sacchi, he imposed pressing on a Mainz squad that included Klopp, who developed those ideas first at Mainz and then at Borussia Dortmund. Even Klopp, though, highlights a 4-1 defeat for his Dortmund to Rangnick’s Hoffenheim in 2009 as an epiphany. Thomas Tuchel followed the same path from Mainz to Dortmund, while David Wagner and Daniel Farke worked at Dortmund before taking jobs in the Championship.
The German model of pressing is not monolithic, but the influence of its various strands is profound. What Guardiola did at Barcelona was radical but football evolves constantly. Ten years on, he is no longer in the vanguard.
What does it mean, though, to say that pressing has evolved? To a large degree the issue is physical. Players are quicker and stronger now – as they need to be to press efficiently, given the technical level is higher across a team – and they are also fitter: able to press essentially at full tilt for the whole game.
Guardiola’s Barça were a notably short side, his revolution made possible by a crackdown on intimidatory tackling and changes to the offside law that stretched the effective playing area. The German school, being more concerned with regaining than retaining possession, is more focused on physique than technique (which makes Klopp’s signing of Thiago Alcântara an intriguing step away).
But where the Rangnick-inspired model has really surpassed that of Barcelona is in its organisation. Klopp won’t let any outsider watch his pressing sessions, his secretiveness indicative of how much of a competitive advantage he believes he derives from them. But as examples of what is possible, take the goals Naby Keïta scored against Huddersfield and Shane Long scored against Watford in 2018-19. Both stemmed from opposition kick-offs, from Liverpool and Southampton knowing where the ball was likely to be played and setting an ambush.
A kick-off is simple to analyse and it is easy to see when the plan has worked and the trap been sprung. But this sort of thing is happening constantly. Analysis reveals the internal dynamics of a side, how they tend to build play. Ideally, the press wins the ball back. Failing that, an opponent can be forced to play the ball into a particular situation where a trap may be set. But even if possession is not directly regained, pressing done well disrupts the rhythm of the opponent. It is, though, a sophisticated and delicate mechanism – it only takes one cog to go awry for the system to collapse, as it did for Liverpool at Aston Villa last month.
Sign up to The Recap, our weekly email of editors’ picks.
Opta collates a number of metrics that offer an insight into how a team is pressing. Perhaps the most telling, at least from a City point of view, is opposition passes allowed per defensive action. In Guardiola’s first two seasons, City led that, restricting opponents to an average of 8.3 passes. Even when they allowed an average of 10.0 in 2018-19, they led the rankings. They achieved a similar figure last season, but fell behind Leicester and Southampton. This season, though, they have declined by 16% and lie seventh. Liverpool, having improved over the past four years, lie second, behind Leeds, with 10.2.
That tells a story of City’s press misfiring – perhaps an issue of personnel or fatigue, physical or psychological – just as a challenge is presented to their style of play. Sunday’s game could be a key milepost in the continuing evolution of pressing.
 
Could Marco Rose be somone we look at when Klopp decides to leave?
He’d done very well at Gladbach.
 
I haven't kept abreast of all the latest fitness news, but overall the strategy for this game looks simple enough – City have problems with fitness, they have been overusing a few players like Sterling to grind out results game after game, they have shown a tendency to fade in the 2nd half. We will start with Firmino and Keita, press like maniacs for 70 minutes, then unleash Jota and Shaq for the last 20 to score and create as many as they like.

---------------------Alisson--------------------
------------Matip-------Gomez---------------
Trent-------------Hendo---------Robertson
---------Keita------------Gini------------------
---Salah---------Firmino-----------Mane---

SUBS: Adrian, Phillips, Tsimikas, Milner, Jones, Shaqiri, Jota
 
I like the picture they've chosen to accompany the article – looks like Klopp is about to gently strangle Guardiola, just like our press hopefully will in a few hours.
 
You just have to ask yourself, which front 3 would city and guardiola choose to be facing if they had the choice?

I'm sure they would prefer the one with Firmino in.

Jota has to start.
 
Think Jota will start. The energy and pace he brings to our pressing game is ideal.
He’s also in the form of his life.
 
Think Jota will start. The energy and pace he brings to our pressing game is ideal.
He’s also in the form of his life.

I was thinking he'll not start, but now thinking he will. Very difficult/almost impossible to leave him out in this form.
 
A lot of the good things Jota has been doing have come from the bench so we know he can make an impact as a sub. That might be enough to start Bobby.
 
I was thinking he'll not start, but now thinking he will. Very difficult/almost impossible to leave him out in this form.

Agreed, I also like the idea of him coming on after 55-60 mins and running at tired legs.
But when somone is in that type of form, you just let them have a go I think.
 
I've got a strange , nervy feeling about this one.

It feels doubly strange as I've felt like we're bulletproof for the past year plus going into every single match.

Feel a bit like your tranny god king in the 300 after Leonidas lobs a spear at his face
 
Hmmm.

You come on here into the City thread to suggest we start with Phillips, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri.

And you do this with a nickname which is an anagram for 'Hard a la Karen'.

Begone, evil fumer!

And I said against West Ham start with Shaqiri in the hole with Jota and that's exactly where the winner came from...looks like I've encountered my first waffler on here...begone waffler..
 
Has to start with Jota. Using him as an impact sub won't always work. Tough on Bobby but sentiment plays no part in Klopp's decision making process.
 
Rumoured #LFC team v Man City:

Alisson Trent Gomez Matip Robertson Wijnaldum Henderson Salah Firmino Mane Jota
 
Yep confirmed team. Not happy with that at all. Feels like he felt he knew he couldn't drop jota so has fitted firmino in. We are very top heavy. Should have been jota or firmino not both imo.

Not gonna say he bottled it. But I would say he was determined to fit firm in no matter what.
 
Brave side that, wonder if Bobby or Jota will spearhead the midfield? He might go with Jota, Ox had some success in a similar role against them and they struggled against it big time.
 
I'd like that. Front four changing positions often.
It didn't work the one time it's been tried. Hopefully that was just the trial and they'll have sorted it out but if not then Firmino is going to be lost again and will be subbed off for ... Keita ?
 
-------------------Allison-------------------
Trent----Matip-------Gomez----Robbo
----------Hendo------Gini----------------
Salah-----------Jota-----------Mane
-----------------Firmino-----------------

That might work better. Jota has the energy to cover ground and press them.
 
-------------------Allison-------------------
Trent----Matip-------Gomez----Robbo
----------Hendo------Gini----------------
Salah-----------Jota-----------Mane
-----------------Firmino-----------------

That might work better. Jota has the energy to cover ground and press them.
Could be. Firmino in behind didn't look so great last time. I'm sure Firmino has the energy but Jota has the pace. However Jota has been most dangerous running through the backline ... hopefully he can do that again tonight.
 
0-18 mauling incoming and pep’s head will explode and the fume will just shut itself down. I wish I’d captained Jota in my fantasy team when he bangs in 14.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom