If you want to go all scientific on us, you will need stats from the other midfielders as well, and also attacking stats as all players do both.
I wouldn't start Keita in this game though, as he is just back from injury.
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If you want to go all scientific on us, you will need stats from the other midfielders as well, and also attacking stats as all players do both.
I wouldn't start Keita in this game though, as he is just back from injury.
I had a check of his attacking stats. He’s never made a successful cross in the league for us!
I CBA looking at more stats so I’ll go with judgement with my eyes. He’s a crap, injury prone shit bag who needs moving on.
Cross? Come on, if you are going to use stats, post them all.
As for moving on, yes, if he cannot stay fit, I agree. But I don't think he is crap or a shit bag.
Can one be both, btw? Both the wrapping and the content?
That’s one that stood out from what I remember. And I’m going to the extreme because I had really high hopes for him.
I think you can easily be both. I remember Aquilani being both.
I had high hopes as well, and they are slowly withering away, but I wouldn't go all dantes in my selective facts departement still.
Aquilani, now there is a sad story too.
Who is it that has the signature quote about statistics and mini skirts? That seems pretty apt right now.
No matter the stats that could be posted there will always be a what about? Discounting stats from his first season because he was out of sorts is just as bad as including those for last season when he had the purple patch. That patch could be the outlier.
I fell into a trap of using stats on here.
No matter the stats that could be posted there will always be a what about? Discounting stats from his first season because he was out of sorts is just as bad as including those for last season when he had the purple patch. That patch could be the outlier.
I fell into a trap of using stats on here.
Well, there are degrees here, and stats can be useful and they can be misused, like you just showed, or they can lack in quality.
And then there is context. You only presented stats of Keita first, and not the other midfielders.
Then you said he never had a successful cross, and bashed him with that, without posting any other attacking stats from him or the other mids.
But you know all this. As fans, we are disappointed, but there is no need to skew things to bash him, he is a Liverpool player.
And then there is context. You only presented stats of Keita first, and not the other midfielders.
Then you said he never had a successful cross, and bashed him with that, without posting any other attacking stats from him or the other mids.
But you know all this. As fans, we are disappointed, but there is no need to skew things to bash him, he is a Liverpool player.
Skew what?
He's been a massive let down, compared to our other apparently less talented and less fashionable, lower priced midfielders. You don't need any stats or context for that. Whatever it was that people thought we were getting, he's fallen waaaay short of those expectations.
He's been a massive let down, compared to our other apparently less talented and less fashionable, lower priced midfielders. You don't need any stats or context for that. Whatever it was that people thought we were getting, he's fallen waaaay short of those expectations.
Oh come on MoMo ! You used Milner's stats for his whole Liverpool career! And Keita's from his first season settling in. Of what relevance are those to their capabilities today? We need recent data to predict impact, not that from 2-5 years ago.
And of course as this season has hardly started (and Keita's played virtually nothing in the PL) it makes complete sense to use last season when Keita was starting to be played in positions he can best influence (and had some excellent games) and Millie's potential would be similar to that today.
As I said some of the posters on this board have such a strong bias against him that even when he plays well in a match they only see his errors. He could score a hattrick tomorrow and there would be those saying ... yeah but he gave the ball away 20 passes before they scored so that was on him.
We've endured Lucas for many long years, Diao, fucking Poulsen, let me stop before too much of the past gets dragged up. Compared to where that bar has been set in our very recent memory, it's a little hard to put Keita below it and then proceed to attack him with the venomous criticism he probably deserves.
I didn’t. I only used milner’s stats from the same starting point as Keita. The 18-19 season. That covers the exact same time frame and is entirely reasonable.
Keita isnt in the same category as those God awful players. He's been a let down, and its a mystery regarding why he hasnt learned English sooner. But he seems to have adapted well into the rest of the group now.
He's a quality player, to suggest anything else is ludicrous in all honesty. But, he has to stay fit. These little niggles and fitness issues are ruining his Liverpool career and I'd sell him after this season if he once again doesnt contribute at all.
We're better off with someone who can stay fit and be available for selection.
Hope Naby lad makes it and improves this season, I like him.
He's a quality player, to suggest anything else is ludicrous in all honesty. But, he has to stay fit. These little niggles and fitness issues are ruining his Liverpool career and I'd sell him after this season if he once again doesnt contribute at all.
We're better off with someone who can stay fit and be available for selection.
Hope Naby lad makes it and improves this season, I like him.
Any of those stats cover on silly fouls Milner gives away in important positions?
Just asking, I like Milner and he’s been an amazing signing but since we are all using stats 🙂
Keita has been a let down but mostly that’s down to his injury getting any sort of run in games. No way can he compared to Aqualani even in the 2yrs with what he’s done.Always got a bit of sympathy for a players constantly injured. He has unique ability which rest of our midfielders don’t have so not in a rush to sack him off yet.
Is he the new forum scape goat then?
We should make him name a sticky on the forum so all newbies know.
Just asking, I like Milner and he’s been an amazing signing but since we are all using stats 🙂
Keita has been a let down but mostly that’s down to his injury getting any sort of run in games. No way can he compared to Aqualani even in the 2yrs with what he’s done.Always got a bit of sympathy for a players constantly injured. He has unique ability which rest of our midfielders don’t have so not in a rush to sack him off yet.
Is he the new forum scape goat then?
We should make him name a sticky on the forum so all newbies know.
No it isn't. How often do you hear on this forum 'give him time, new country, new language, new club etc.' only to then have forumites virtually kick the shite out of him (see Keita).
However even if he played great that first season it's still not relevant as it's nowhere near recent enough ... and Millie is now 2 years older.
Keita starts over Milner if hes fit, no question. I thought Milner was awful against Ajax, really looked his age, a yard too slow to everything and City sre a much slicker passing and movement machine.
Id also start Jota. It might be questionable if Firmino was playing well vut hes not and hasnt been for some time now. Dropping the guy with 7 goals from 5 starts just doeant make any sense.
Id also start Jota. It might be questionable if Firmino was playing well vut hes not and hasnt been for some time now. Dropping the guy with 7 goals from 5 starts just doeant make any sense.
In a nutshell, agree with everything.
Of course I'm disappointed he's not hitting the heights of his BL career but he's shown good signs and his stats are good but can get much better. I just wish he'd stay fit and bring more consistency into his game. He can play brilliantly one match and disappear the next. I still think Klopp can make him an integral part of the squad though (and maybe first team in 2-3 seasons).
How's it a bias? He's been woefully short of expectations and incredibly injury prone. I know you like to spin this narrative that he's hard working, defensively sound AND creatively superior, but it's a load of bollocks.
Spin it how you want, he's been fucking shit.
Will you discount Salah’s first season? Mané’s? Jota’s? Van dijk’s?
because someone was crap over a season you shouldn’t be looking for excuses to dismiss those stats.
Do you want to move to a rolling 6 month window?
We were discussing which player would be better for Sunday ... and you want to use stats from years ago. Maybe we should include Millie's City stats too?
Our midfield pecking order, based on quality, longevity and impact:
Henderson
Gini
Fabinho
Milner
Shaqiri
Keita
The first three of much of a muchness, I don't think anyone would disagree that they are the top three midfielders we have, aside from Thiago who is a non-entity at the moment (though I'm sure you've already decided he's the best midfielder to have ever played for us, already). Shaqiri has been in and out the team because of injury, but pretty much always has an impact, Milner is versatile and always available, you know what you get with him. Keita has been injured, a passenger, occasionally quite good, but too often a massive massive let down.
If someone gave you that list when he signed, you'd be woefully underwhelmed and disappointed, well anyone else would be, you'd probably say he is the foundation for all of the other midfielders in the list, or some other bollocks.
Well clearly it isn't. It's a distinct bias because some people formed their opinion in his first, shite, season and are not prepared to modify it even in the face of improving stats and performances to the contrary. We are obviously a better pressing team when he's playing (at least for 60 mins, he does seem to lack stamina). Happily Klopp sees it that way too and hopefully Keita will come to fulfill his potential.
It is 2 years and a like for like comparison.
Ha.. He's a nice story, I don't think anyone would disagree that he's been incredibly ordinary at times, but it's great to see his record, his passion and the fact he's still leading us. The whole kind of blind faith in players like Aquilani and Keita is a laughable context, the same posters act like fan boys for these type of players for years and years, based on nothing more than where they come from and how great they were in another country, or how brilliant their Youtube compilations look. It's like a whole fashion snobbery exercise.
In his first shite season? As opposed to his second shite season? Or this one where (once again) it's November and he hasn't even got going.
I'm happy that Klopp sees it that way, his record with players is excellent, but every manager has the odd duff signing here and there. If you want to go down the whole "who's got the coaching badges" route, we can do this all day.
I dunno about world class. Close to it, but I wouldn't put him in the same category as DeBruyne, Alonso, Gerrard, Lampard, Pirlo, Kaka, Zidane etc.
Admittedly we're a bit biased as well. Longevity? I'm not sure about that one.
Hendo is now a solid, versatile team player, a "Albertini" if you will. Nothing wrong with that. He's a winner too.
"He's a quality player", no he isn't. He's very average.
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