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Gerrard ruled out, Torres travels
Soccer: Steven Gerrard has been ruled out of Liverpool's Champions League trip to Lyon but striker Fernando Torres will be on the plane that heads for France.
Although Gerrard has now played just 25 minutes of five matches since he sustained a groin injury while on England duty, boss Rafael Benitez has delayed any decision on whether his captain needs an operation.
Club sources suggest that Benitez is happy that Gerrard's treatment is progressing well and that the player's injury problem is improving.
If Gerrard does have an operation on his groin, it will rule him out for a month and he would be unlikely to play again until mid-December.
Liverpool are trying to avoid that eventuality, and Benitez will assess the midfielder's fitness levels again when the Anfield men return from Wednesday's match.
Gerrard will then have more intensive treatment ahead of the club's next league match, at home to Birmingham next Monday.
Torres will travel with the party, having been taken off at Fulham on Saturday after a hour to protect his adductor muscle injury.
Albert Riera (hamstring), Martin Kelly (ankle) and Martin Skrtel (muscle and virus), are also definitely out of the Group E match that Liverpool must win if they want to retain any serious hopes of qualifying for the last 16.
But €22million Italian midfielder Alberto Aquilani will be available for selection after recovering from a virus.
Benitez said: "Aquilani trained today but was a little bit weak. Hopefully in two days' time he will be better.
"Gerrard won't travel to Lyon. He has no chance. He is improving but we have to wait. He has had an injection but we have to wait two or three days and see how he reacts.
"Skrtel has no chance. He has a small muscle problem. It's not too big but he is feeling something."
Meanwhile, the Liverpool manager will make late fitness calls on the recovering Daniel Agger (back), Glen Johnson (calf), Fabio Aurelio (calf) and David Ngog (ankle), none of whom travelled to Craven Cottage.
Benitez said: "Agger is improving - he will travel and we will then decide. He felt something in his back but it's much better now. We have to wait and see how he reacts.
"Fabio is improving but he still has a small problem in his calf, so we will have to wait. Ngog is much better, so he could be available.
"Johnson is training and working with the physios but he is a doubt at this moment. He will travel to Lyon and we will see."
Benitez again explained his decision to substitute Torres at Fulham, saying: "I was surprised with the criticism after the game because Fernando has had problems in the last month after the international games.
"We are trying to manage because he was close to having an operation. Still this morning, two days after the game, he is feeling something.
"He is not comfortable. He has not got the power he had before, so we have to manage and try to protect him. He cannot play well if you keep pushing him. Maybe if you push him he will be injured for a long time.
"So, I am really surprised with the critics. When you talk about big names, people just analyse the names and not how the player is when he is on the pitch. He was not 100 per cent fit.
"We have to take Fernando to Lyon because we don't have too many options. We have to keep working with him and the rest of the players."
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2009/1102/1224257954040.html
Soccer: Steven Gerrard has been ruled out of Liverpool's Champions League trip to Lyon but striker Fernando Torres will be on the plane that heads for France.
Although Gerrard has now played just 25 minutes of five matches since he sustained a groin injury while on England duty, boss Rafael Benitez has delayed any decision on whether his captain needs an operation.
Club sources suggest that Benitez is happy that Gerrard's treatment is progressing well and that the player's injury problem is improving.
If Gerrard does have an operation on his groin, it will rule him out for a month and he would be unlikely to play again until mid-December.
Liverpool are trying to avoid that eventuality, and Benitez will assess the midfielder's fitness levels again when the Anfield men return from Wednesday's match.
Gerrard will then have more intensive treatment ahead of the club's next league match, at home to Birmingham next Monday.
Torres will travel with the party, having been taken off at Fulham on Saturday after a hour to protect his adductor muscle injury.
Albert Riera (hamstring), Martin Kelly (ankle) and Martin Skrtel (muscle and virus), are also definitely out of the Group E match that Liverpool must win if they want to retain any serious hopes of qualifying for the last 16.
But €22million Italian midfielder Alberto Aquilani will be available for selection after recovering from a virus.
Benitez said: "Aquilani trained today but was a little bit weak. Hopefully in two days' time he will be better.
"Gerrard won't travel to Lyon. He has no chance. He is improving but we have to wait. He has had an injection but we have to wait two or three days and see how he reacts.
"Skrtel has no chance. He has a small muscle problem. It's not too big but he is feeling something."
Meanwhile, the Liverpool manager will make late fitness calls on the recovering Daniel Agger (back), Glen Johnson (calf), Fabio Aurelio (calf) and David Ngog (ankle), none of whom travelled to Craven Cottage.
Benitez said: "Agger is improving - he will travel and we will then decide. He felt something in his back but it's much better now. We have to wait and see how he reacts.
"Fabio is improving but he still has a small problem in his calf, so we will have to wait. Ngog is much better, so he could be available.
"Johnson is training and working with the physios but he is a doubt at this moment. He will travel to Lyon and we will see."
Benitez again explained his decision to substitute Torres at Fulham, saying: "I was surprised with the criticism after the game because Fernando has had problems in the last month after the international games.
"We are trying to manage because he was close to having an operation. Still this morning, two days after the game, he is feeling something.
"He is not comfortable. He has not got the power he had before, so we have to manage and try to protect him. He cannot play well if you keep pushing him. Maybe if you push him he will be injured for a long time.
"So, I am really surprised with the critics. When you talk about big names, people just analyse the names and not how the player is when he is on the pitch. He was not 100 per cent fit.
"We have to take Fernando to Lyon because we don't have too many options. We have to keep working with him and the rest of the players."
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2009/1102/1224257954040.html
[quote author=dossena link=topic=36888.msg977168#msg977168 date=1257167696]
I'm not very excited, if at all.
I've written this season off.
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What's with the avatar? Are you Dj Syd? If you are then you're a prick.
If not, then please disregard this message.
I'm not very excited, if at all.
I've written this season off.
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What's with the avatar? Are you Dj Syd? If you are then you're a prick.
If not, then please disregard this message.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36888.msg977337#msg977337 date=1257182456]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=36888.msg977168#msg977168 date=1257167696]
I'm not very excited, if at all.
I've written this season off.
[/quote]
What's with the avatar? Are you Dj Syd? If you are then you're a prick.
If not, then please disregard this message.
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dj ban you? 😉
[quote author=dossena link=topic=36888.msg977168#msg977168 date=1257167696]
I'm not very excited, if at all.
I've written this season off.
[/quote]
What's with the avatar? Are you Dj Syd? If you are then you're a prick.
If not, then please disregard this message.
[/quote]
dj ban you? 😉
[quote author=reuque link=topic=36888.msg977250#msg977250 date=1257175991]
I wonder, which would the majority prefer;
a) Out of the CL but qualify for Europa Liga
or
b) Knocked out without even Europa Liga, which means can concentrate fully on league and FA Cup.
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I Know a trophy is a trophy but if we go out of the CL I want us out of Europe altogether so we don't risk further injury to key players in a second-rate Thursday night competition.
I wonder, which would the majority prefer;
a) Out of the CL but qualify for Europa Liga
or
b) Knocked out without even Europa Liga, which means can concentrate fully on league and FA Cup.
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I Know a trophy is a trophy but if we go out of the CL I want us out of Europe altogether so we don't risk further injury to key players in a second-rate Thursday night competition.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=36888.msg977371#msg977371 date=1257184836]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36888.msg977337#msg977337 date=1257182456]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=36888.msg977168#msg977168 date=1257167696]
I'm not very excited, if at all.
I've written this season off.
[/quote]
What's with the avatar? Are you Dj Syd? If you are then you're a prick.
If not, then please disregard this message.
[/quote]
dj ban you? 😉
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Nope. I wouldn't have held that against anyone.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=36888.msg977337#msg977337 date=1257182456]
[quote author=dossena link=topic=36888.msg977168#msg977168 date=1257167696]
I'm not very excited, if at all.
I've written this season off.
[/quote]
What's with the avatar? Are you Dj Syd? If you are then you're a prick.
If not, then please disregard this message.
[/quote]
dj ban you? 😉
[/quote]
Nope. I wouldn't have held that against anyone.
We'll win 2-1.
We will win against Lyon. A match this important and you have to back Benitez to pull it off, regardless of form and injuries, he does it way more often than not.
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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Isn't Degen in the CL squad?
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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Isn't Degen in the CL squad?
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=36888.msg977497#msg977497 date=1257200299]
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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Isn't Degen in the CL squad?
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I think I read that he wasn't, but I'm not positive
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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Isn't Degen in the CL squad?
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I think I read that he wasn't, but I'm not positive
AOI is right. Degen isn't included in the CL squad.
Goalkeepers
Diego Cavalieri, Pepe Reina, David Martin.
Defenders
Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Fabio Aurelio, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Emiliano Insua, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby, Martin Kelly, Martin Skrtel, Andrea Dossena.
Midfielders
Alberto Aquilani, Steven Gerrard, Yossi Benayoun, Javier Mascherano, Lucas Leiva, Jay Spearing, Damien Plessis.
Forwards
Fernando Torres, Andriy Voronin, Albert Riera, Dirk Kuyt, Ryan Babel, David Ngog, David Amoo, Nathan Eccleston
So... How has Darby been doing in the reserves?
Diego Cavalieri, Pepe Reina, David Martin.
Defenders
Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Fabio Aurelio, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Emiliano Insua, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby, Martin Kelly, Martin Skrtel, Andrea Dossena.
Midfielders
Alberto Aquilani, Steven Gerrard, Yossi Benayoun, Javier Mascherano, Lucas Leiva, Jay Spearing, Damien Plessis.
Forwards
Fernando Torres, Andriy Voronin, Albert Riera, Dirk Kuyt, Ryan Babel, David Ngog, David Amoo, Nathan Eccleston
So... How has Darby been doing in the reserves?
Oh dear. So if Kelly's still injured, we really are in trouble at RB.
It's gonna have to be Darby. Or Carra, out of position. Or Aurelio/Insua, playing on their weak foot.
Blimey - who would have thought we'd end up regretting the omission of Degen from the CL squad?
It's gonna have to be Darby. Or Carra, out of position. Or Aurelio/Insua, playing on their weak foot.
Blimey - who would have thought we'd end up regretting the omission of Degen from the CL squad?
Stick Carragher there.
But if Skrtel and Agger are both injured, who do we play at CB next to Zorba? Even Ayala's not in the squad.
Cavalieri
Will have o be Darby then. won't it?
So this is our (fit) squad then:
Goalkeepers
Diego Cavalieri, Pepe Reina, David Martin.
Defenders
Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Emiliano Insua, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby, Andrea Dossena.
Midfielders
Yossi Benayoun, Javier Mascherano, Lucas Leiva, Jay Spearing, Damien Plessis.
Forwards
Fernando Torres, Andriy Voronin, Dirk Kuyt, Ryan Babel, David Amoo, Nathan Eccleston
And Torres isn't even fully fit. That's not exactly encouraging.
Goalkeepers
Diego Cavalieri, Pepe Reina, David Martin.
Defenders
Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Emiliano Insua, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby, Andrea Dossena.
Midfielders
Yossi Benayoun, Javier Mascherano, Lucas Leiva, Jay Spearing, Damien Plessis.
Forwards
Fernando Torres, Andriy Voronin, Dirk Kuyt, Ryan Babel, David Amoo, Nathan Eccleston
And Torres isn't even fully fit. That's not exactly encouraging.
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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wait and see wait and see.
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
[/quote]
wait and see wait and see.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36888.msg977519#msg977519 date=1257202078]
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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wait and see wait and see.
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What do you mean, wait and see? If they play on wednesday, does that mean they weren't injured at the weekend?
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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wait and see wait and see.
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What do you mean, wait and see? If they play on wednesday, does that mean they weren't injured at the weekend?
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977507#msg977507 date=1257200890]
Goalkeepers
Diego Cavalieri, Pepe Reina, David Martin.
Defenders
Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Fabio Aurelio, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Emiliano Insua, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby, Martin Kelly, Martin Skrtel, Andrea Dossena.
Midfielders
Alberto Aquilani, Steven Gerrard, Yossi Benayoun, Javier Mascherano, Lucas Leiva, Jay Spearing, Damien Plessis.
Forwards
Fernando Torres, Andriy Voronin, Albert Riera, Dirk Kuyt, Ryan Babel, David Ngog, David Amoo, Nathan Eccleston
So... How has Darby been doing in the reserves?
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Gone backwards this year. In the past I'd have had no problem throwing him in as our defensive unit was solid and could cover for his short comings (which defensively weren't many really, getting forward has always been his issue), but with his form where it is and our back4 being as bad as it is, it could get ugly!
Goalkeepers
Diego Cavalieri, Pepe Reina, David Martin.
Defenders
Glen Johnson, Daniel Agger, Fabio Aurelio, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Emiliano Insua, Jamie Carragher, Stephen Darby, Martin Kelly, Martin Skrtel, Andrea Dossena.
Midfielders
Alberto Aquilani, Steven Gerrard, Yossi Benayoun, Javier Mascherano, Lucas Leiva, Jay Spearing, Damien Plessis.
Forwards
Fernando Torres, Andriy Voronin, Albert Riera, Dirk Kuyt, Ryan Babel, David Ngog, David Amoo, Nathan Eccleston
So... How has Darby been doing in the reserves?
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Gone backwards this year. In the past I'd have had no problem throwing him in as our defensive unit was solid and could cover for his short comings (which defensively weren't many really, getting forward has always been his issue), but with his form where it is and our back4 being as bad as it is, it could get ugly!
God bless UEFA. Did we not try to sneak in Hacksaw too?
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=36888.msg977522#msg977522 date=1257202343]
[quote author=rage link=topic=36888.msg977519#msg977519 date=1257202078]
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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wait and see wait and see.
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What do you mean, wait and see? If they play on wednesday, does that mean they weren't injured at the weekend?
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they weren't all injured at the weekend anymore than yossi was tired or injured when subbed.
[quote author=rage link=topic=36888.msg977519#msg977519 date=1257202078]
[quote author=ArtOfficialIntelligence link=topic=36888.msg977496#msg977496 date=1257199897]
But... rage said that none of Aurelio, Agger and N'Gog were really injured when we met Fulham, so this reporter surely must be talking out of his arse.
If both Agger and Johnson miss this game, who the fuck are we playing at right back? Babel?
Nah but seriously, who? Mascherano, with Lucas and Plessis dominating the midfield? Kyrgiakos and Ayala in the middle, with Carra at right back? Heh, I choose to laugh instead of crying..
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wait and see wait and see.
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What do you mean, wait and see? If they play on wednesday, does that mean they weren't injured at the weekend?
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they weren't all injured at the weekend anymore than yossi was tired or injured when subbed.
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