Luke Young 2.5m agreed fee
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As long as we get another left back, this is not really such a big issue. We certainly needed two left backs. Considering our options prior to this were 1. An untried 18 year old 2. An untried 20 year old played out of position, i think i can live with this signing.
He also covers both full-back position and he is a steady-eddie type of player. I don't really see what all the fuzz is about.
I think this is a clear case of price-tag clouding people's judgement.
He also covers both full-back position and he is a steady-eddie type of player. I don't really see what all the fuzz is about.
I think this is a clear case of price-tag clouding people's judgement.
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If its back up then its not really a worry for me.
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Me neither. I wish everyone would stop piss flapping. These are probably the same one's who were ok last season at us bringing in a Swiss international on a free as cover for Glen Jo.
If its back up then its not really a worry for me.
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Me neither. I wish everyone would stop piss flapping. These are probably the same one's who were ok last season at us bringing in a Swiss international on a free as cover for Glen Jo.
Good point Mark.
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Good point Mark.
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...as back up though 😉 I think we could do worse. Once promising England International, knows the league, peak age.. etc.
So long as we bring in a left back, I think it's a good move for the price. Providing the Masher money then goes on some quality for the striker and midfield roles.
Good point Mark.
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...as back up though 😉 I think we could do worse. Once promising England International, knows the league, peak age.. etc.
So long as we bring in a left back, I think it's a good move for the price. Providing the Masher money then goes on some quality for the striker and midfield roles.
I don't hate the fact that Young might be coming in, altho 2.5 seems a bit steep.
Who were people expecting to sign? Lahm & Alves? Forget about it.
Who were people expecting to sign? Lahm & Alves? Forget about it.
Magic off?
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41166.msg1143714#msg1143714 date=1280273744]
I find the level of expectations somewhat mystifying. Luke Young is an excellent full back with plenty of Premier League experience. He is better than anyone we have had playing at left back for quite a few seasons.
Who exactly was Hodgson expected to sign??
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No he is not ???
I find the level of expectations somewhat mystifying. Luke Young is an excellent full back with plenty of Premier League experience. He is better than anyone we have had playing at left back for quite a few seasons.
Who exactly was Hodgson expected to sign??
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No he is not ???
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=41166.msg1143780#msg1143780 date=1280295369]
Excellent squad signing. An experienced, versatile, English full-back for a reasonable fee.
What's the problem? We'll be signing a better left-back.
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If your last sentence turns out to be true, then this may turn out to be a good signing.
I did get a bit disappointed reading the story, though, after seeing the Guardian's headline: 'Liverpool agree £2.5m fee for Villa's Young'. I thought we'd either got the bargain of the century, or the Grauniad had erroneously added the decimal point and we were actually rich!
Excellent squad signing. An experienced, versatile, English full-back for a reasonable fee.
What's the problem? We'll be signing a better left-back.
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If your last sentence turns out to be true, then this may turn out to be a good signing.
I did get a bit disappointed reading the story, though, after seeing the Guardian's headline: 'Liverpool agree £2.5m fee for Villa's Young'. I thought we'd either got the bargain of the century, or the Grauniad had erroneously added the decimal point and we were actually rich!
So is this 31 year old Aston Villa failure a right-back or a left-back?
Or both?
Or both?
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41166.msg1143787#msg1143787 date=1280297160]
So is this 31 year old Aston Villa failure a right-back or a left-back?
Or both?
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As I said a while back:
"I think we'll get some defensive utility player who can play everywhere poorly, a meh left back, a good but not fantastic striker, a meh winger, and god knows what for Mascherano."
So is this 31 year old Aston Villa failure a right-back or a left-back?
Or both?
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As I said a while back:
"I think we'll get some defensive utility player who can play everywhere poorly, a meh left back, a good but not fantastic striker, a meh winger, and god knows what for Mascherano."
If he's being bought to play right back and GJ playing further up the pitch at RM (and Kuyt going to Inter) then it's a decent signing.
If he's being bought with a view to selling GJ then it's worrying.
If he's being bought as a squad player then it's a good signing.
If he's being bought to be first choice left back then it's not great news.
I think he's being bought as a squad player.
If he's being bought with a view to selling GJ then it's worrying.
If he's being bought as a squad player then it's a good signing.
If he's being bought to be first choice left back then it's not great news.
I think he's being bought as a squad player.
Agree with some of you on this. Signing Young makes perfect sense, as we have no cover for left bac and it takes some of the pressure of Kelly.
IF he's bought to be our starting left back, it's a poor signing. But if he's bought as a back up for both flanks, then it's a good signing.
Degen will be sold, Insua is off, Kelly has had injury problems, Agger is a centre back, Carra is to slow and gets completly knackered every time he has to cover that back position. No, with that in mind it's good signing. We need squad depth, and for 2.5 mill we get a 31 year old with experience from the PL, caps for England and can play in more than one position.
Rafa opted for Carra, Skrtel and Masch at right full back whenever Johnson was injured. We can't have that, we lost games because of it.
We really need one more left back though, a natural left footer of real quality. Hopefully he arrives aswell..
IF he's bought to be our starting left back, it's a poor signing. But if he's bought as a back up for both flanks, then it's a good signing.
Degen will be sold, Insua is off, Kelly has had injury problems, Agger is a centre back, Carra is to slow and gets completly knackered every time he has to cover that back position. No, with that in mind it's good signing. We need squad depth, and for 2.5 mill we get a 31 year old with experience from the PL, caps for England and can play in more than one position.
Rafa opted for Carra, Skrtel and Masch at right full back whenever Johnson was injured. We can't have that, we lost games because of it.
We really need one more left back though, a natural left footer of real quality. Hopefully he arrives aswell..
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41166.msg1143823#msg1143823 date=1280305203]
If he's being bought to be first choice left back then it's not great news.
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I don't see the problem. If you wanted Roberto Carlos, he's 37 now! ;D
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Eh? Who mentioned Roberto Carlos? If Young was left footed then he'd be an excellent signing in that he'd be cheap and far better than our recent left backs - unfortunately he's right-footed.
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41166.msg1143823#msg1143823 date=1280305203]
If he's being bought to be first choice left back then it's not great news.
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I don't see the problem. If you wanted Roberto Carlos, he's 37 now! ;D
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Eh? Who mentioned Roberto Carlos? If Young was left footed then he'd be an excellent signing in that he'd be cheap and far better than our recent left backs - unfortunately he's right-footed.
Yesterday it was pointed out that we didn't have enough players to make up a 25 man squad. Young, an average but experienced pro as a back-up for a low fee would be a reasonable start in making up the numbers.
Alternatively he could be our new RB with Johnson moving into midfield to replace the departing Maxi - just to add further swirl to the rumour mill that goes for news now!
Alternatively he could be our new RB with Johnson moving into midfield to replace the departing Maxi - just to add further swirl to the rumour mill that goes for news now!
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Eh? Who mentioned Roberto Carlos? If Young was left footed then he'd be an excellent signing in that he'd be cheap and far better than our recent left backs - unfortunately he's right-footed.
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OK I see your logic and it's a fair point. However, Luke Young has played plenty of games at left back in his career. Even Carra had a successful period as a left back! 🙂
Eh? Who mentioned Roberto Carlos? If Young was left footed then he'd be an excellent signing in that he'd be cheap and far better than our recent left backs - unfortunately he's right-footed.
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OK I see your logic and it's a fair point. However, Luke Young has played plenty of games at left back in his career. Even Carra had a successful period as a left back! 🙂
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[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41166.msg1143833#msg1143833 date=1280306153]
Eh? Who mentioned Roberto Carlos? If Young was left footed then he'd be an excellent signing in that he'd be cheap and far better than our recent left backs - unfortunately he's right-footed.
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OK I see your logic and it's a fair point. However, Luke Young has played plenty of games at left back in his career. Even Carra had a successful period as a left back! 🙂
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I know he's a decent left back as was Carra but it's far from ideal - Dennis Irwin and Lahm are the only two full backs whom I've seen who looked 100% at home on the "wrong" side of the pitch. I wouldn't mind Young at right back and trying GJ at RM.
[quote author=Pesam link=topic=41166.msg1143833#msg1143833 date=1280306153]
Eh? Who mentioned Roberto Carlos? If Young was left footed then he'd be an excellent signing in that he'd be cheap and far better than our recent left backs - unfortunately he's right-footed.
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OK I see your logic and it's a fair point. However, Luke Young has played plenty of games at left back in his career. Even Carra had a successful period as a left back! 🙂
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I know he's a decent left back as was Carra but it's far from ideal - Dennis Irwin and Lahm are the only two full backs whom I've seen who looked 100% at home on the "wrong" side of the pitch. I wouldn't mind Young at right back and trying GJ at RM.
Magic at right midfield? Please, folks, fuhgeddaboudit. Attacking fullbacks rarely - if ever - do well when they're played further forward. I've seen it tried a number of times these many years and not known one single case where it's succeeded.
If Young's the best we can do for a LB I think I'd sooner stick with Kelly/Agger/Carra, in that order, and have another look around in January if need be.
If Young's the best we can do for a LB I think I'd sooner stick with Kelly/Agger/Carra, in that order, and have another look around in January if need be.
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As long as we get another left back, this is not really such a big issue. We certainly needed two left backs. Considering our options prior to this were 1. An untried 16 year old 2. An untried 20 year old played out of position, i think i can live with this signing.
He also covers both full-back position and he is a steady-eddie type of player. I don't really see what all the fuzz is about.
I think this is a clear case of price-tag clouding people's judgement.
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Amended ... if you were taking about Jack Robinson.
As long as we get another left back, this is not really such a big issue. We certainly needed two left backs. Considering our options prior to this were 1. An untried 16 year old 2. An untried 20 year old played out of position, i think i can live with this signing.
He also covers both full-back position and he is a steady-eddie type of player. I don't really see what all the fuzz is about.
I think this is a clear case of price-tag clouding people's judgement.
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Amended ... if you were taking about Jack Robinson.
I miss Arbeloa.
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Attacking fullbacks rarely - if ever - do well when they're played further forward. I've seen it tried a number of times these many years and not known one single case where it's succeeded.
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Did you have John Arne Riise in mind then? When he was played as a left-sided midfielder he was awful. It seemed to expose his extreme left-footedness, so that Johnny Rockets ran round and round in circles trying to get the ball on his left foot, and the opposition defence had time to sort themselves out before the cross came in.
Attacking fullbacks rarely - if ever - do well when they're played further forward. I've seen it tried a number of times these many years and not known one single case where it's succeeded.
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Did you have John Arne Riise in mind then? When he was played as a left-sided midfielder he was awful. It seemed to expose his extreme left-footedness, so that Johnny Rockets ran round and round in circles trying to get the ball on his left foot, and the opposition defence had time to sort themselves out before the cross came in.
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[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41166.msg1143751#msg1143751 date=1280287523]
As long as we get another left back, this is not really such a big issue. We certainly needed two left backs. Considering our options prior to this were 1. An untried 16 year old 2. An untried 20 year old played out of position, i think i can live with this signing.
He also covers both full-back position and he is a steady-eddie type of player. I don't really see what all the fuzz is about.
I think this is a clear case of price-tag clouding people's judgement.
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Amended ... if you were taking about Jack Robinson.
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I suspect he was talking about Kelly and Wilson
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As long as we get another left back, this is not really such a big issue. We certainly needed two left backs. Considering our options prior to this were 1. An untried 16 year old 2. An untried 20 year old played out of position, i think i can live with this signing.
He also covers both full-back position and he is a steady-eddie type of player. I don't really see what all the fuzz is about.
I think this is a clear case of price-tag clouding people's judgement.
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Amended ... if you were taking about Jack Robinson.
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I suspect he was talking about Kelly and Wilson
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41166.msg1143861#msg1143861 date=1280309137]
Attacking fullbacks rarely - if ever - do well when they're played further forward. I've seen it tried a number of times these many years and not known one single case where it's succeeded.
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Did you have John Arne Riise in mind then? When he was played as a left-sided midfielder he was awful. It seemed to expose his extreme left-footedness, so that Johnny Rockets ran round and round in circles trying to get the ball on his left foot, and the opposition defence had time to sort themselves out before the cross came in.
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Johnny Rockets saw himself as such a good fullback that he suggested he should play CM on the national team. Fullbacks are fullbacks and should play fullback.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41166.msg1143861#msg1143861 date=1280309137]
Attacking fullbacks rarely - if ever - do well when they're played further forward. I've seen it tried a number of times these many years and not known one single case where it's succeeded.
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Did you have John Arne Riise in mind then? When he was played as a left-sided midfielder he was awful. It seemed to expose his extreme left-footedness, so that Johnny Rockets ran round and round in circles trying to get the ball on his left foot, and the opposition defence had time to sort themselves out before the cross came in.
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Johnny Rockets saw himself as such a good fullback that he suggested he should play CM on the national team. Fullbacks are fullbacks and should play fullback.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41166.msg1143872#msg1143872 date=1280310400]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41166.msg1143861#msg1143861 date=1280309137]
Attacking fullbacks rarely - if ever - do well when they're played further forward. I've seen it tried a number of times these many years and not known one single case where it's succeeded.
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Did you have John Arne Riise in mind then? When he was played as a left-sided midfielder he was awful. It seemed to expose his extreme left-footedness, so that Johnny Rockets ran round and round in circles trying to get the ball on his left foot, and the opposition defence had time to sort themselves out before the cross came in.
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Not particularly, as it happens. There were certainly times when JAR played like that, but then there were when he played at fullback too, and at least in midfield it posed less of a threat to our defence. At other times I thought the lad did quite well at LM - while it's true that he couldn't run around tackles he could and did bust his way through them, and playing as a midfielder left him in a better position to unleash that howitzer of a left foot shot. It's a shame we didn't play with wingbacks during his time with us, as that would have suited him well.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41166.msg1143861#msg1143861 date=1280309137]
Attacking fullbacks rarely - if ever - do well when they're played further forward. I've seen it tried a number of times these many years and not known one single case where it's succeeded.
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Did you have John Arne Riise in mind then? When he was played as a left-sided midfielder he was awful. It seemed to expose his extreme left-footedness, so that Johnny Rockets ran round and round in circles trying to get the ball on his left foot, and the opposition defence had time to sort themselves out before the cross came in.
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Not particularly, as it happens. There were certainly times when JAR played like that, but then there were when he played at fullback too, and at least in midfield it posed less of a threat to our defence. At other times I thought the lad did quite well at LM - while it's true that he couldn't run around tackles he could and did bust his way through them, and playing as a midfielder left him in a better position to unleash that howitzer of a left foot shot. It's a shame we didn't play with wingbacks during his time with us, as that would have suited him well.
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