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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40110.msg1099973#msg1099973 date=1273130548]
If he starts in central midfield at the World Cup for Brazil - What does that say about him and the 99% of this forum that have called him shit and a cunt for the last 3 years?
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I really don't blame him for much, it's the partnership that's wrong, not the player as such. When he's played alongside someone who compliments him, he and us have looked better (ditto Masher).
Ideally he'd have been an understudy to Masher or used in his more favoured role and stepped in every few games, instead he's been thrown in at the deepend because of the whole Alonso/Aquilani situation.
If he starts in central midfield at the World Cup for Brazil - What does that say about him and the 99% of this forum that have called him shit and a cunt for the last 3 years?
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- And on that note, I'm off home.
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I really don't blame him for much, it's the partnership that's wrong, not the player as such. When he's played alongside someone who compliments him, he and us have looked better (ditto Masher).
Ideally he'd have been an understudy to Masher or used in his more favoured role and stepped in every few games, instead he's been thrown in at the deepend because of the whole Alonso/Aquilani situation.
haha. Nice way to provoke a shitstorm before retreating.
Brazil's short comings are in the center of midfield?
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I'm going to be a bit surprised if Lucas starts for them but having said that I actually thought he's looked far better for the past 4 or 5 games than I've seen all Season.
Seems somehow more confident when going into tackles and is not affraid of putting his foot through. Plays with a bit more pace as well.
I don't mind Lucas but he's looked particularly inept at times alongside Masher, probably for various reasons, but alongside the right partner in midfield you can do a lot worse than him.
I'll root for him to have a great World Cup that's for sure.
Seems somehow more confident when going into tackles and is not affraid of putting his foot through. Plays with a bit more pace as well.
I don't mind Lucas but he's looked particularly inept at times alongside Masher, probably for various reasons, but alongside the right partner in midfield you can do a lot worse than him.
I'll root for him to have a great World Cup that's for sure.
[quote author=IGotALuvlyBunchOfCoconuts link=topic=40110.msg1099978#msg1099978 date=1273130898]
Brazil's short comings are in the center of midfield?
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haha. this a good one. lucas, arrived with some promise. wasn't so bad this season, still not first team quality though. Boy's confidence is easily dented and it shows. needs to man up more than anything else. hope he gets s decent WC to boost his confidence
Brazil's short comings are in the center of midfield?
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haha. this a good one. lucas, arrived with some promise. wasn't so bad this season, still not first team quality though. Boy's confidence is easily dented and it shows. needs to man up more than anything else. hope he gets s decent WC to boost his confidence
the difference is lucas would be playing as an out and out holding midfielder with frankly brilliant attacking players taking the fight to the opposition.
we on the other hand use him in a CM two that is a creativity vacume and attacking players that range from brilliant to rubbish.
lucas should be masher's understudy with an attacking midfielder taking up the other slot in the CM.
we on the other hand use him in a CM two that is a creativity vacume and attacking players that range from brilliant to rubbish.
lucas should be masher's understudy with an attacking midfielder taking up the other slot in the CM.
The fact is, he's been one of our most consistent players this season, but very rarely having games where he blows you away- in fact, this just doesn't happen. Some great games home to Lille and Benfica in particular, and hasn't deserved a fraction of the criticism that's been leveled at him- someone said he did absolutely fuck all against Burnley the other week, seemingly oblivious to the fact that Lucas had played a sublime pass to set up a goal and had a good game generally. He is prejudged by people who accept the negative hype unthinkingly. That being said, is he ever going to be a player that consistently controls the tempo of our play in CM or be the dangerman breaking from midfield? I'm still not convinced he's made for the PL, and he still looks pricey at 6m.
Hope he has a boss tournament and comes back having increased his value greatly. Then we should sell.
Hope he has a boss tournament and comes back having increased his value greatly. Then we should sell.
It tells me that a mediocre player with some talent has Liverpools first team as his arena to practice and develope his play, whereas the Liverpool reserves should be the correct arena for that kind of development.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40110.msg1099973#msg1099973 date=1273130548]
If he starts in central midfield at the World Cup for Brazil - What does that say about him and the 99% of this forum that have called him shit and a cunt for the last 3 years?
Go...
- And on that note, I'm off home.
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I don't think he's going to start with Brazil but the fact he's in the squad should help him.
I maintain that Lucas is not the player we need; as I've said all season he's far better than the majority on here have and do give him credit for but he's still not the player we need. We're so lacking in dynamic players to make something happen its untrue and Lucas is a part of this problem rather than the solution.
Brazil are literally over run by dynamic players who will make something happen and, as such, Lucas would not be an issue in such a team. He can be a good squad player for us just now and may develop into a good starting player (in the Xabi mould) but right now he's not what we need.
If he starts in central midfield at the World Cup for Brazil - What does that say about him and the 99% of this forum that have called him shit and a cunt for the last 3 years?
Go...
- And on that note, I'm off home.
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I don't think he's going to start with Brazil but the fact he's in the squad should help him.
I maintain that Lucas is not the player we need; as I've said all season he's far better than the majority on here have and do give him credit for but he's still not the player we need. We're so lacking in dynamic players to make something happen its untrue and Lucas is a part of this problem rather than the solution.
Brazil are literally over run by dynamic players who will make something happen and, as such, Lucas would not be an issue in such a team. He can be a good squad player for us just now and may develop into a good starting player (in the Xabi mould) but right now he's not what we need.
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the_khl
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[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40110.msg1099990#msg1099990 date=1273131909]
i think he'll do well
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Me too to be honest.
i think he'll do well
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Me too to be honest.
masherano/lucas CM = fucking rubbish
I love rafa but the above is a close to a fact as you can possibly get without it actually being a fact.
I love rafa but the above is a close to a fact as you can possibly get without it actually being a fact.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40110.msg1100000#msg1100000 date=1273132525]
masherano/lucas CM = fucking rubbish
I love rafa but the above is a close to a fact as you can possibly get without it actually being a fact.
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Shame he didnt include it in his 'Facts' rant last season. Would have given his little tirade a lot more credibility.
masherano/lucas CM = fucking rubbish
I love rafa but the above is a close to a fact as you can possibly get without it actually being a fact.
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Shame he didnt include it in his 'Facts' rant last season. Would have given his little tirade a lot more credibility.
Lucas is shit, and if he's still a starting CM for us next season, we'll have another shit season.
Because he's shit
Because he's shit
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40110.msg1100027#msg1100027 date=1273135446]
Lucas is shit, and if he's still a starting CM for us next season, we'll have another shit season.
Because he's shit
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This.
He really is no more than a backup. He is on par with a over-the hill Nicky Butt. If he has more than 15 starts in the league next year, i can guarantee we won't finish top-4.
Lucas is shit, and if he's still a starting CM for us next season, we'll have another shit season.
Because he's shit
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This.
He really is no more than a backup. He is on par with a over-the hill Nicky Butt. If he has more than 15 starts in the league next year, i can guarantee we won't finish top-4.
He's a good young player and has improved again this year. His reading of the game when the opposition has possession is excellent and he's made some important interceptions and tackles at times. He covers a hell of a lot of ground and keeps his passing game simple with the odd nice through ball. If Masher is out (or playing right back) he's a very good player to have as defensive midfielder. He reminds me very much of Flamini for Arsenal before he left for Milan - undervalued by most. When he's played alongside a more offensive midfielder (Gerrard, Aqui) he's generally looked much better and he's also done well when pushed forward. Moreover he's attitude is top class and he never goes missing however tough things get.
It's not his fault that Rafa has persisted playing him alongside Masher in midfield. I hope he'll stick around and continue to grow in confidence.
It's not his fault that Rafa has persisted playing him alongside Masher in midfield. I hope he'll stick around and continue to grow in confidence.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=40110.msg1100039#msg1100039 date=1273136933]
Doesn't that old fart Gilberto play ahead of him? Will Lucas even make it in the squad? Hes a very average player, meh.
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lucas is pretty much first choice for brazil. I'll be amazed if he doesn't start for them.
Doesn't that old fart Gilberto play ahead of him? Will Lucas even make it in the squad? Hes a very average player, meh.
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lucas is pretty much first choice for brazil. I'll be amazed if he doesn't start for them.
i doubt he will start.. there are plenty of better options than Lucas for their central midfield.
Hopefully he has a great world cup so we can sell him for a decent amount.
Hopefully he has a great world cup so we can sell him for a decent amount.
I'll make two points
1) I guess that means Ryan thinks Kleberson was good. He played for Brazil in a world cup too.
2) I think Dunga will most likely go with Thiago Motta (Inter) over Lucas as the DM. Motta is a better player -
I guess time will tell - the squad gets announced on May 11th I think.
1) I guess that means Ryan thinks Kleberson was good. He played for Brazil in a world cup too.
2) I think Dunga will most likely go with Thiago Motta (Inter) over Lucas as the DM. Motta is a better player -
I guess time will tell - the squad gets announced on May 11th I think.
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[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=40110.msg1100039#msg1100039 date=1273136933]
Doesn't that old fart Gilberto play ahead of him? Will Lucas even make it in the squad? Hes a very average player, meh.
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lucas is pretty much first choice for brazil. I'll be amazed if he doesn't start for them.
[/quote]No he isn't. He's played 4 times for brazil. Starting just twice one of which he was sent off in.
Melo and Gilberto has been the prefered 2 holding.
Lucas will go I'm sure but he's unlikely to play. And the difference with Brazil is that they don't need every player to contribute. Lucas getting it and passing it simple to kaka, robinho, Diego, elano and fabiano ought to be enough.
[quote author=Whitey85 link=topic=40110.msg1100039#msg1100039 date=1273136933]
Doesn't that old fart Gilberto play ahead of him? Will Lucas even make it in the squad? Hes a very average player, meh.
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lucas is pretty much first choice for brazil. I'll be amazed if he doesn't start for them.
[/quote]No he isn't. He's played 4 times for brazil. Starting just twice one of which he was sent off in.
Melo and Gilberto has been the prefered 2 holding.
Lucas will go I'm sure but he's unlikely to play. And the difference with Brazil is that they don't need every player to contribute. Lucas getting it and passing it simple to kaka, robinho, Diego, elano and fabiano ought to be enough.
I always thought Thiago Motta was Argentinian for some reason. Dunno why.
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