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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40110.msg1103545#msg1103545 date=1273617952]
Wow, he's not made the squad?

Surprised at that, I must say. Any other shocks in the squad? (I've not seen it).

Dreamy - calm. I asked the question. I didn't see you or anyone else predicting he wouldn't make the squad.
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Even Kleberson made it!
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40110.msg1103545#msg1103545 date=1273617952]
Wow, he's not made the squad?

Surprised at that, I must say. Any other shocks in the squad? (I've not seen it).

Dreamy - calm. I asked the question. I didn't see you or anyone else predicting he wouldn't make the squad.
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Ronnie and Pato aren't in either or Adriano who has been excellant the last 3 months.

I never said he would or wouldn't but I certainly didn't go on about how if he was in it would prove that 99% of the posters on here knew fuck all.

Take it on the chin, you've been made look a uber twat and its all your own doing this time
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Well Ronaldinho and Adriano not being in is no surprise? But no Pato's definitely a shock.
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Mate - Ronaldinho has had a very good season for Milan. Pato's season has been filled with injuries and he's not really had a decent run of games as the season runs down to deserve a spot tbh.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40110.msg1103545#msg1103545 date=1273617952]
Wow, he's not made the squad?

Surprised at that, I must say. Any other shocks in the squad? (I've not seen it).

Dreamy - calm. I asked the question. I didn't see you or anyone else predicting he wouldn't make the squad.
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Even Kleberson made it!
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Yeah, as I mentioned earlier - Dunga's gone for those playing in South America - Kleberson, Silva, etc etc and left out a significant number of those playing in Europe - Pato, Ronnie, Lucas, etc.

Time will tell if he's proved right, but fuck me it's strange.
 
Just goes to show that 99% of us posters know what we are talking about when we say lucas is shit. Players like kleberson and gilberto silva get picked ahead of him. Pato is a shock though
 
HAHAHA


FANTASTIC



FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT


Surely Dreamy can't lose this one.

Ryan's against the ropes and swaying all over the place.



To be fair though, Ryan's been caught with his pants around his ankles and should expect a firm rodding from each and every one of us Lucas haters.
 
Lucas Leiva was today crowned Liverpool's Young Player of the Season following a fans' vote on Liverpoolfc.tv.

After revealing Pepe Reina as the winner of our main award yesterdat, we can today confirm Lucas has won your vote as our best young star.

Thousands of votes were cast - but it was our Brazilian midfielder who clinched the accolade with 48 per cent of the vote.

Lucas was a virtual ever-present in Rafael Benitez's starting XI during the course of 2009-10 as he figured in all but three of Liverpool's Barclays Premier League fixtures.

In total, the 23-year-old made 50 appearances for the Reds after heading into the campaign on the back of a glowing endorsement from the boss, who hailed him as our best player of pre-season.

In fact, only Dirk Kuyt, Pepe Reina and Jamie Carragher turned out for the first team more than Lucas during the term.

Arguably the highlight of a season of real progression for our No.21 came during Liverpool's 4-1 Europa League quarter-final, second-leg victory over Benfica at Anfield in April.

Lucas capped a man of the match performance with a superbly taken goal, in which he coolly rounded the goalkeeper and slotted into an empty net after collecting Steven Gerrard's through pass.

Emiliano Insua was runner-up in our poll with 20 per cent of the vote, while David Ngog and Ryan Babel were joint third with 11 per cent each.

Some depressing points there
 
[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40110.msg1103751#msg1103751 date=1273656052]
I would always consider a 'young player' to be under 20.
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I would always consider a prerequisite of winning any Player-Of-The-Year award would be a modicum of talent.
 
Lucarse crowned "Young Player Of The Season" after featuring in all but three of our Premiership games, in what was our worst season for a decade.

Says it all.

Insua came second, depsite being a fat, useless cunt.

Says it all.

And people wonder why we're shit.
 
Did someone say something about Rod?

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[quote author=irishred link=topic=40110.msg1103760#msg1103760 date=1273657508]
1. Lucas
2. Insua
3. N'gog/Babel

I can't comment on that without sounding like Brendan.
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Its not unexpected though! They played the most out of all the pups! Lucas DID have a better season than Insua (but then so did i and all i did was sit on the high stool during games). It doesn't mean they're brilliant or anything! Couldnt exactly give it to pacheco or someone who played for about 5 seconds!
 
[quote author=Phil M link=topic=256220.msg6920582#msg6920582 date=1273598709]
He's better than Ronaldinho.
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From you-know-where

The poster has over 22,000 posts.
 
It really winds me up that people like those on RAWK are allowed to live. They should just be put down.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=40110.msg1103979#msg1103979 date=1273678169]
[quote author=Phil M link=topic=256220.msg6920582#msg6920582 date=1273598709]
He's better than Ronaldinho.
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From you-know-where

The poster has over 22,000 posts.
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Yea I saw that yesterday. Another guy said something along the lines of him being too much like Fabregas to succeed at Liverpool because we don't move the ball quickly enough for him and aren't technical enough.
 
It's Liverpool's fault that Lucas is shit

I've always said it

If we truly love him we must let him go

Spread his wings.

It's like keeping a bird of paradise under a bucket

Fly, Lucas, fly!
 
The requirements of Lucas is different for both Liverpool and Brazil. He is probably the least creative/dynamic player in the Brazil squad and these types of players tend to thrive in the Brazil set up. At Liverpool he is the least creative/dynamic player in the squad that is devoid of creativity. Our lack of depth, creativity and Aqualani's slow start only compounded matters. That results went against us hardly helped!
 
I don't think he's shit. He just isn't great at anything.

He really isn't as bad as people make out. But he also isn't as good as others would make out.
I think this is what they call sitting on the fence.
 
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[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40110.msg1103556#msg1103556 date=1273618218]
I might stay up for this one.

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Could be interesting alright
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Boulton Vs Campbell Round 2 if you will.

Dreamy is Boulton clearly. He's got the better ammunition in this case, recent results are on his side, and he should win.

But you know he won't. He'll get flustered, flail around furiously - absolutely aghast that he's incapable of getting his (evidently more favourable) position across, and end up looking quite the imbecile.

Watch it unfold.
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Ryan the fact you admit I should "win" this one says it all.

Your initial post was aimed to sitr shit and prove how smart you are with your Lucas love it.

Your post wasn't even "If Lucas makes the squad", it was "If Lucas Starts!" making it clear you were convinced he would make the squad. So in short you've been made look a tool again.

Lucas played all but 3 games at CM for one of the most recognisible teams in world football and still doesn't make the squad.

You have cried all season about the fact that Dunga and Rafa rate him so we all must know f*ck all, yet when it comes to the crunch Dunga doesn't even put him in the squad nevermind anywhere near the team.

Throw in the towel mate and save yourself the shame.
 
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[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=40110.msg1103556#msg1103556 date=1273618218]
I might stay up for this one.

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Could be interesting alright
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Boulton Vs Campbell Round 2 if you will.

Dreamy is Boulton clearly. He's got the better ammunition in this case, recent results are on his side, and he should win.

But you know he won't. He'll get flustered, flail around furiously - absolutely aghast that he's incapable of getting his (evidently more favourable) position across, and end up looking quite the imbecile.

Watch it unfold.
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Ryan the fact you admit I should "win" this one says it all.

Your initial post was aimed to sitr shit and prove how smart you are with your Lucas love it.

Your post wasn't even "If Lucas makes the squad", it was "If Lucas Starts!" making it clear you were convinced he would make the squad. So in short you've been made look a tool again.

Lucas played all but 3 games at CM for one of the most recognisible teams in world football and still doesn't make the squad.

You have cried all season about the fact that Dunga and Rafa rate him so we all must know f*ck all, yet when it comes to the crunch Dunga doesn't even put him in the squad nevermind anywhere near the team.

Throw in the towel mate and save yourself the shame.
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Dreamy, even I want you to win this one. But look at that effort above mate - It's all over the fucking place. Just calm down, think reasonably, and type with fingers, not your fucking fist. It's like you've turned up to Crufts with the best dog by a mile, but the little fucker's just ran onto the green baize and curled one out in front of the judges. And all you're doing is smearing the thing into the carpet.

If you (or anyone else for that matter) had bothered to argue that Lucas wouldn't make the squad, then it'd make your forced effort here stand up a little bit more. But you didn't, because everyone expected him to make it, much like quite a few other South Americans that have been bizarelly left out by Maradona and Dunga.

Now, I know Lucas can play. I don't think I've ever argued he's Cesc fucking Fabregas, like those cabbages at RAWK, but just because he isn't going to the World Cup doesn't mean he's "shit" either. He's plyed for Brazil before, he'll play for them again, and whether you like it or not - he'll probably be playing for us for a few years to come too.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40110.msg1100684#msg1100684 date=1273188532]
I'd say even his harshest critics would acknowledge that he's very very comfortbale in possession.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. What qualifies someone as being very comfortable in possession?
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40110.msg1100684#msg1100684 date=1273188532]
I'd say even his harshest critics would acknowledge that he's very very comfortbale in possession.
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I'm not sure I agree with that. What qualifies someone as being very comfortable in possession?
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Depends on how you look at it I suppose, but in this context...

- Being able to receive anywhere, even under pressure
- Control
- Keep it
- Good on either foot
- And play

That's "comfortbale in possession". Lucas isn't Zidane, but he can do all of the above.

Unless you think differently Ken?
 
I largely agree with the definition you posted, but perhaps interpret it a little differently than you do.

Lucas has a good first touch and decent all round technique. He's reasonably comfortable with the ball when he's got a bit of time and space, but I still find that he oftens find himself short of ideas when further up the field - although this can partly be attributed to a lack of confidence and perhaps sense of freedom at times.

I suppose when I think of players who are truly comfortable in possession, I think of some of the better 'technicians' out there. Players who can receive the ball anywhere on the pitch and have the ability to do something positive with it as opposed to concentrating solely on not losing the ball. I don't think Lucas falls into that category sadly.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40110.msg1104245#msg1104245 date=1273707544]
I largely agree with the definition you posted, but perhaps interpret it a little differently than you do.

Lucas has a good first touch and decent all round technique. He's reasonably comfortable with the ball when he's got a bit of time and space, but I still find that he oftens find himself short of ideas when further up the field - although this can partly be attributed to a lack of confidence and perhaps sense of freedom at times.

I suppose when I think of players who are truly comfortable in possession, I think of some of the better 'technicians' out there. Players who can receive the ball anywhere on the pitch and have the ability to do something positive with it as opposed to concentrating solely on not losing the ball. I don't think Lucas falls into that category sadly.
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Yeah, I'd agree with facets of that. As you say, it depends on your definition of 'comfortable in possession' really. I guess if I was proferring those who aren't I'd think of the likes of Kuyt, Vidic, Dunne, Carragher, etc. Lucas' first touch is exemplary. It's as good as anyone's at the club, I really think that. He passes forward far more often that people like to imagine (stats back that up) and he's capable of keeping it under pressure.

As you say, beyond that he's limited, and I do agree that there's not a lot of inventiveness going forward or in that final third, but 'comfortbale in possession' he can do. 'Excellent in possession' no, but then he's not alone in our squad in that respect.
 
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[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=40110.msg1104210#msg1104210 date=1273703374]

Ryan the fact you admit I should "win" this one says it all.

Your initial post was aimed to sitr shit and prove how smart you are with your Lucas love it.

Your post wasn't even "If Lucas makes the squad", it was "If Lucas Starts!" making it clear you were convinced he would make the squad. So in short you've been made look a tool again.

Lucas played all but 3 games at CM for one of the most recognisible teams in world football and still doesn't make the squad.

You have cried all season about the fact that Dunga and Rafa rate him so we all must know f*ck all, yet when it comes to the crunch Dunga doesn't even put him in the squad nevermind anywhere near the team.

Throw in the towel mate and save yourself the shame.
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Dreamy, even I want you to win this one. But look at that effort above mate - It's all over the fucking place. Just calm down, think reasonably, and type with fingers, not your fucking fist. It's like you've turned up to Crufts with the best dog by a mile, but the little fucker's just ran onto the green baize and curled one out in front of the judges. And all you're doing is smearing the thing into the carpet.

If you (or anyone else for that matter) had bothered to argue that Lucas wouldn't make the squad, then it'd make your forced effort here stand up a little bit more. But you didn't, because everyone expected him to make it, much like quite a few other South Americans that have been bizarelly left out by Maradona and Dunga.

Now, I know Lucas can play. I don't think I've ever argued he's Cesc fucking Fabregas, like those cabbages at RAWK, but just because he isn't going to the World Cup doesn't mean he's "shit" either. He's plyed for Brazil before, he'll play for them again, and whether you like it or not - he'll probably be playing for us for a few years to come too.
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In fairness, DB's post isn't nearly as bad as you're attesting, Ryan.

And your whole "well, nobody shouted at the time" doesn't really work, mate. The truth is that your "people who know football know just how good he is..." argument has taken a bit of a shelling with this ommission. I'd say that Dunga knows football too.
 
Dreamy's post wasn't all that bad at all, Ryan, and your dog show judging analogy was rather, er, shit to say the least. You should probably just wave the towel on this one. Especially after ridiculing Zlatan's England team selection and he goes on to get 28/30 (or some such). Or khl's Liverpool selection v. Pompey.

As for the issue at hand, I've stated before I don't think Lucas is all that bad. But we need better.
 
[quote author=darkstarexodus link=topic=40110.msg1104274#msg1104274 date=1273720417]
Dreamy's post wasn't all that bad at all, Ryan, and your dog show judging analogy was rather, er, shit to say the least. You should probably just wave the towel on this one. Especially after ridiculing Zlatan's England team selection and he goes on to get 28/30 (or some such). Or khl's Liverpool selection v. Pompey.

As for the issue at hand, I've stated before I don't think Lucas is all that bad. But we need better.
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Agree 🙂

Ohhh and maybe everyone doesnt like Lucas because he played nearly every single game and did nothing?? He isnt a bad player but he isnt good. As a squad player to bring on the last 15minutes i think he could do a job, but playing week in week out for 90minutes... NO
 
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