Liverpool v West Ham
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Debate what? Give me a reasonable debate and I'll talk, tag me in a post to be a smarmy cunt and I'm the one in the wrong? Do me a favour, tackle the antagonists first for once.
Its not the first time is it mark. I don't think ive read a football based defence of Rodgers from you.
You're the notable Rodgers defender (in a fashion), and you always leap on other people. Now you're being leapt on you don't seem to like it.
Two sides to every story..
Hard to defend Rodgers after this one. Horrible performance that exposed many of the flaws that the first 3 games glossed over.
Lucas and Lovren too slow for stopping counter-attacks. Gomez isn't a problem, but playing a CB at LB sometimes has its drawbacks, especially when we're missing creativity and speed from elsewhere. I'm not a fan, but this would have been a good game to have Lallana available, he's better at operating in congested spaces. Can is so lazy defensively sometimes. Firmino created our best attacking moment of the game, but he does seem like he needs some time to get used to the intensity of this league and there were no signs of any partnership between him and Benteke, which I was so hoping to see. And whenever we find it a bit hard to break through, we just resort to lumping crosses in the direction of Benteke – exactly what I feared.
Coutinho's red card was unfortunate, but Rodgers' tactical changes didn't help either. I under It's a damning indictment of his abilities as a manager that time and time again he makes inexplicable, illogical decisions when under pressure, such as switching to 3 at the back (+ Lucas) when 2 goals down. Conceding 2 goals due to defensive mistakes is understandable, but the lack of any kind of response and not even a single shot on target the whole game is shocking and unacceptable.
Lucas and Lovren too slow for stopping counter-attacks. Gomez isn't a problem, but playing a CB at LB sometimes has its drawbacks, especially when we're missing creativity and speed from elsewhere. I'm not a fan, but this would have been a good game to have Lallana available, he's better at operating in congested spaces. Can is so lazy defensively sometimes. Firmino created our best attacking moment of the game, but he does seem like he needs some time to get used to the intensity of this league and there were no signs of any partnership between him and Benteke, which I was so hoping to see. And whenever we find it a bit hard to break through, we just resort to lumping crosses in the direction of Benteke – exactly what I feared.
Coutinho's red card was unfortunate, but Rodgers' tactical changes didn't help either. I under It's a damning indictment of his abilities as a manager that time and time again he makes inexplicable, illogical decisions when under pressure, such as switching to 3 at the back (+ Lucas) when 2 goals down. Conceding 2 goals due to defensive mistakes is understandable, but the lack of any kind of response and not even a single shot on target the whole game is shocking and unacceptable.
But people are giving reasons for their problems with him
Our tactics, our signings, his treatment of players
There's more of a reason to question/attack him than there is to defend him this point.
I've yet to see a decent defence of him... Which is completely ironic based on his defender of choice
Go and read reasoned discussions I've had with Macca and others over the Summer. I didn't leap on anything, I GOT TAGGED IN A POST!!!!! So who was looking for it?
"it's not the first time Mark", did you really just say that?, I feel like I should do lines or stand in a corner or something.
There isnt one to be fair.
We finished 2nd is that enough to keep the faith? It isnt is it?
The good 1 second place finish.
Coutinho.
The bad.....
I dont know where to start.
I still want to believe in him, the fact of the matter is he isnt tactically good enough. Great players have done great things at times for us but when have we Mourinhoed a game? Like out thought and out manouvred a team. One we may not have of course.
Now its West Ham added to Palace, Stoke, Villa and other bang average teams to make us look like a pub team.
We have no identity. And without any world class players we look like a bang average premier league side.
Has he resigned yet? I need something to brighten up the weekend.
This instance you were tagged, others you've not been.
I remember your debates with Macca... You could try and defend him now like that , rather than just calling people smug cunts
Be nice if you could, because at the moment you're a parody of a RAWK member
I think Lucas is rubbish and I love Carragher, so you're dead wrong.
This is why it's concerning.
We have no identity. I can't even see what type of football we play. High pressing? Nope. Counter attack? Nope. Tika taka? Nope.
We've got no cohesion. There's nothing between defence and midfield. Midfield and strikers. It's like we don't HAVE tactics
Its probably worth pointing out that we now have a -1 goal difference after 4 games and after spending 160m on attacking players in 18 months.
Stoke - last minute worldy saved us. 3 legit pts JUST.
Bournemouth - should have conceeded goal shouldnt have stood LUCKY
Arsenal - perfectly good goal for them dissallowed. LUCKY
West Ham - battered LOST
We are so lucky to be on 7 points we should by rights be on 3 and that spawny as fuck.
4 games 2 goals 3 against 1 shot on target again today.
Its really poor.
We played well against Arsenal for a half and created ONE clear chance.
I cant think of many more in any of the other games.
Stoke - last minute worldy saved us. 3 legit pts JUST.
Bournemouth - should have conceeded goal shouldnt have stood LUCKY
Arsenal - perfectly good goal for them dissallowed. LUCKY
West Ham - battered LOST
We are so lucky to be on 7 points we should by rights be on 3 and that spawny as fuck.
4 games 2 goals 3 against 1 shot on target again today.
Its really poor.
We played well against Arsenal for a half and created ONE clear chance.
I cant think of many more in any of the other games.
No in depth analysis, well thought out opinion on his tactics, coaching or decision making from me. I think he's a clueless knobhead who hasn't got what it takes to manage us.
Did you not see the game in the pub mate?
It's only what I and a few others have been saying for a couple of weeks.
And getting e-lynched for doing so, needless to say.
We've been playing shit. We played shit all last season.
Performances matter. They identify a trend and help us predict the future.
In my line of work you will occassionally pull a manager out of a high functioning team and put him into a team that is underachieving hoping that he will make the difference and awaken said sleeping giant.
There are two outcomes. One youve made a great choice and the manager makes the difference and sorts the new place out and was strong enough that he left behind a decent enough back fill that the drop off in the previous team isnt that noticable.
The other is that the manager fails in the new place and the team he leaves behind see no drop off and if anything progress.
Swansea look good ay?
There are two outcomes. One youve made a great choice and the manager makes the difference and sorts the new place out and was strong enough that he left behind a decent enough back fill that the drop off in the previous team isnt that noticable.
The other is that the manager fails in the new place and the team he leaves behind see no drop off and if anything progress.
Swansea look good ay?
I havnt had a go at anyone Peter. I was totally willing to give the man the start of the season.
Seasons started and I see nothing new.
Also Firmino looks shit. Anyone else noticed that?
I think firmino looks promising
We didn't defend well eh. No shit. We need to be much better eh. No shit.
4 seasons and you still can't sort it, fucking knob.
The strange thing is, I think this squad is not so bad, minus a fit Sturridge and maybe another player or two. It really is the simple fact that this manager is a complete guesser who talks the talk but when the chips are down, he hasn't got a clue. I reckon any half decent manager could make a better fist of things with this squad. While Rodgers is in charge, forget any talk of winning anything.
Oh I know you haven't had a go.
Firmino I think is a good player but I was never particularly in favour of his signing. He wasn't someone we really needed IMO. You have to build teams around a guy like that, because he's not really versatile. IMO he needs to be playing as a second striker or just a little deeper as the 10.
I'd guess his signing is yet more evidence of the dysfunctional situation whereby Rodgers gets some players and the committee gets others, and neither of them particularly care about complementing their choices with the other's.
Need more, much much more than a £29m signing to be "promising". Need him to tear shit up.
We'll loan him out to Leyton Orient next season
Not sure anymore. Prices are fucking crazy.
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