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Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur Match Thread

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I want love to stick a dildo up Lamela's arse - reckon if I ask him he would except - I mean the fucker was so keen to take it up the arse for his team wasn't he ? - he just jumped in front and bent over for VVD. I guess i was right - VVD is a very attractive man and even opposition players want a piece of him up their arse. Never mind.
 
I want love to stick a dildo up Lamela's arse - reckon if I ask him he would except - I mean the fucker was so keen to take it up the arse for his team wasn't he ? - he just jumped in front and bent over for VVD. I guess i was right - VVD is a very attractive man and even opposition players want a piece of him up their arse. Never mind.

Again with the anal stuff Moron.

Sheeesh.
 
Watched the game. Controversial penalties aside, in the light of our second half performance, we do not deserve 3 points but would had been good (hey would had been superb) to steal it undeservedly.
 
Partisans can find controversy in established fact. It doesn't make it controversial. That's how I feel about the shit reffing in this game.
 
I'm oddly quite pleased about how our defenders played which is unusual considering we conceded the lead twice, that said our midfield was poor yesterday however Spurs definitely deserved a point. We sat FAAAAR to deep and tried to it them on the break, which is fine considering we've got some truly lethal players going forward but at the same time it must have been tiring mentally.

I thought we defended well what we didn't do well is keep a hold of the ball enough.

As for the Penalty's... Interesting to see that we nullified them sooooo much that they had to start blatantly diving.... and I hope the Ref and the linesman feel the shame they deserve for believing them.
 
Also, on an unrelated note… Those two tackles that TAA unflinchingly launched himself into in the first half made my heart sing.

The kid’s a gem.
 
We weren't outplayed all night.

The first half we dominated without making that domination count.

Had we gone in two or three up no one would have been surprised, & we would but for a couple of poor final balls & Mane & Salah both exhibiting a rare poor first touch.

The second half they were the better side without question, but failed to really make even a decent attempt until an hour into the game.

Completely agree...

I also disagree that the second penalty was a penalty... it was a fucking dive and he was looking for it...
 
If VAR was playing yesterday then we’d of won that game with Lamela clutching his calf when he touched vvd the cheating bastard, surely the ref would of seen that.
 
Yeah, but what I saw there was Lamela actually not making an attempt for the ball, but actually looking to jump into VVD's leg.


Am I reading this right.... you're suggesting lamella effectively threw himself at VDV's foot, while he was kicking out at a ball m, to wine a penalty?????

Seriously?

The ball dropped in the box- VDV tried to hoof it.... Lamella put his body between VDV and the ball to gain space and control in the box.

2 minutes earlier Salah scored a cracking goal because Spurs defenders didn't dive in and gave him space- which he exploited.

Lamella tried to exploit some space in the box and got clearly booted in the thigh.

There isn't a part of the pitch that's not a foul - intent it not - which means.... penalty.

Ref didn't give it... view from linesman is pretty clear.
 
I get pissed off when Moss is our ref because he’s the weakest most incompetent ref out there. For the second incident he sees it waves play on and only when the Lino gets in contact changes his mind.

For the first penalty he should be banned. He was asking for information from the 4th official based on tv pictures. Which isn’t allowed. Add to that he says he doesn’t know if Lovren touched the ball and gave it anyway.
 
Am I reading this right.... you're suggesting lamella effectively threw himself at VDV's foot, while he was kicking out at a ball m, to wine a penalty?????

Seriously?

The ball dropped in the box- VDV tried to hoof it.... Lamella put his body between VDV and the ball to gain space and control in the box.

2 minutes earlier Salah scored a cracking goal because Spurs defenders didn't dive in and gave him space- which he exploited.

Lamella tried to exploit some space in the box and got clearly booted in the thigh.

There isn't a part of the pitch that's not a foul - intent it not - which means.... penalty.

Ref didn't give it... view from linesman is pretty clear.

I agree with the above bar Lamela trying to control the ball - look at the highlight which doesn't show the contact. He knows what he's doing, and though I think it's a 50/50 call (some refs will call it, some won't), not going to argue with it. Tough to say the least, but the only way this 'glorious' Spurs team can beat us is a worldly and a penalty ...
 
I get pissed off when Moss is our ref because he’s the weakest most incompetent ref out there. For the second incident he sees it waves play on and only when the Lino gets in contact changes his mind.

For the first penalty he should be banned. He was asking for information from the 4th official based on tv pictures. Which isn’t allowed. Add to that he says he doesn’t know if Lovren touched the ball and gave it anyway.

That right there is the issue.

How the fuck is anyone expected to make a definitive decision on anything given the speed of the game and The fluidity of touch and movement.

Last night... 2 cases for not giving the first Spurs penalty... on review... and they missed it.

On review... second one is a penalty!!!

Let's just be thankful the ref didn't send off Karius for the first - which if he believes is a foul... he should have.
 
That right there is the issue.

How the fuck is anyone expected to make a definitive decision on anything given the speed of the game and The fluidity of touch and movement.

Last night... 2 cases for not giving the first Spurs penalty... on review... and they missed it.

On review... second one is a penalty!!!

Let's just be thankful the ref didn't send off Karius for the first - which if he believes is a foul... he should have.

Well, no - he was offside - but as they missed that, correct

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...ry-kane-didnt-dive-unlike-dele-alli-7prsmlwhl
 
I agree with the above bar Lamela trying to control the ball - look at the highlight which doesn't show the contact. He knows what he's doing, and though I think it's a 50/50 call (some refs will call it, some won't), not going to argue with it. Tough to say the least, but the only way this 'glorious' Spurs team can beat us is a worldly and a penalty ...

Absolutely LTW we should take some positives out of this game.

There aren't many teams that will come to Anfield, play like that and be happy with a draw.

They're a good team.

I kinda agree it's a 50/50... we've all seen more blatant not given and more dodgy given.
 
Smart “All I need to know is, did Lovren touch the ball?”
Moss
“I don’t know.”
Smart
“If he’s not touched the ball, it is offside, so you’re chalking off the penalty. It has to be offside if Lovren has not touched the ball.”
Christian Eriksen
“He did touch the ball.”
Emre Can
“He didn’t touch the ball.”
Moss
“Just talk to me again.”
Smart
“You know what I’m asking; I need to clarify, has Lovren touched the ball? If he has, it’s a deliberate action and, therefore, it’s a penalty. If he has not, it is offside.”
Moss
“I have no idea whether Lovren touched the ball to be honest with you. Martin, have you got anything from TV? I’m giving the penalty.”



The above is more of an indictment on Moss than Smart -
 
Smart “All I need to know is, did Lovren touch the ball?”
Moss
“I don’t know.”
Smart
“If he’s not touched the ball, it is offside, so you’re chalking off the penalty. It has to be offside if Lovren has not touched the ball.”
Christian Eriksen
“He did touch the ball.”
Emre Can
“He didn’t touch the ball.”
Moss
“Just talk to me again.”
Smart
“You know what I’m asking; I need to clarify, has Lovren touched the ball? If he has, it’s a deliberate action and, therefore, it’s a penalty. If he has not, it is offside.”
Moss
“I have no idea whether Lovren touched the ball to be honest with you. Martin, have you got anything from TV? I’m giving the penalty.”



The above is more of an indictment on Moss than Smart -

Lovren did touch the ball - so... penalty
 
That's behind a paywall.

Who's offside???

He says both goals are offside:

1st goal:

The question is whether Dejan Lovren deliberately played the ball and has Kane, by being in an offside position, impacted Lovren.

The issue is not whether it touched the defender, but whether he played it deliberately.

You can make an argument that Lovren would not have made this type of attempt for the ball if Kane was not close to him and, therefore, the impact of his presence plays a part in the decision-making of the referee.

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2nd goal:

The ball is touched by Fernando Llorente and into Erik Lamela, who is fractionally offside in my opinion.

As we have seen with VAR now, offside is a matter of fact and no benefit is given to the attacking team. Therefore, the penalty should not have been allowed.

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That's behind a paywall.

Who's offside???

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It was a clear dive and the referee, Jon Moss, was right to caution him. Alli has been guilty in the past of exaggerating contact. Because he’s been caught he only gets a yellow card, whereas if it had been missed by Moss, it would have been spotted retrospectively and he’d have been banned for two games. I’ve argued before that the same offence should get the same punishment and everyone who gets caught diving should be banned for two games, whether or not it is spotted on the day.

FIRST PENALTY
1. Was it offside?

This should not have been a penalty because it was offside. At Anfield, because of the atmosphere, it can be difficult to hear each other on the headsets, which is why Moss went over to talk to his assistant Eddie Smart. The assistant had said that Harry Kane was in an offside position. The question then is whether Dejan Lovren deliberately played the ball and has Kane, by being in an offside position, impacted Lovren.

The issue is not whether it touched the defender, but whether he played it deliberately. A professional footballer would not have played it into Kane’s path on purpose. From the way he was facing, if it had been deliberate, the ball would have gone up the field. You can make an argument that Lovren would not have made this type of attempt for the ball if Kane was not close to him and, therefore, the impact of his presence plays a part in the decision-making of the referee.

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2. Was it a dive?
It shouldn’t have been a penalty because it was offside, but Kane didn’t dive. Loris Karius just caught him — there wasn’t much contact but there was some — and the Liverpool goalkeeper’s reaction says it all. He immediately put his head to the turf. He knew he’d made a terrible error. If there had been no contact he’d have leapt up immediately and accused Kane of cheating.

SECOND PENALTY
This a tough decision. I believe that there is a suspicion of offside in the build up to the penalty. The ball is touched by Fernando Llorente and into Érik Lamela, who is fractionally offside in my opinion. As we have seen with VAR now, offside is a matter of fact and no benefit is given to the attacking team. Therefore, the penalty should not have been allowed. Once the offside is missed, It looks as though Virgil van Dijk goes to kick the ball and then tries to pull away his leg, but there is a still a bit of contact. It is a soft penalty, but not definitely a wrong call.

I can see why Moss didn’t originally give it and I was surprised Smart flagged it as a penalty. It is rare and very brave for an assistant referee to do that when it seemed like a 50-50 call. In that situation, I would have wanted some discussion and for the assistant to tell me what he had seen. I would then make a decision. Once the assistant’s flag has gone up, Moss is bound to give it as he has got to publicly support his colleague. To be fair to Moss, I thought he refereed the game very well, but the team work at the end could have been improved and he needed better support from his assistant referee


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Footy365's 16 conclusions:

[article]* Liverpool’s defence will justifiably be questioned after two more conceded goals, but their creativity was notably lacklustre. No player created more than one goalscoring chance as the hosts failed to capitalise on their assured start.

That is the issue Klopp faces in such games. The midfield trio he chose was based on their work-rate and their defensive ability, but that inevitably sacrifices their output going forward: Henderson, Can and Milner made one opportunity from open play. Klopp has creators and destroyers/defenders in his midfield ranks, but no player who combines both roles. How he must wish Naby Keita could have arrived early.[/article]

[article]* While Liverpool did not press from the front, this was no dereliction of duty. They concentrated their efforts on frustrating and foiling one individual. Mousa Dembele was fouled five times and dispossessed on four occasions in the first half, the most of any player in either instance. The Belgian grew visibly more agitated with every trip, kick or pull of his shirt.

Dembele dominated proceedings against United four days prior, capitalising on a disjointed midfield that seemed to be working against each other as opposed to with one another. The contrast could not have been more stark, with Henderson, Milner and Can leading the charge on Dembele. That Tottenham scored within one minute of Dembele being removed is likely no coincidence, as Liverpool’s game plan was completely centered around him and him alone. With him gone, they had no one player to target.[/article]

[article]* While Kane’s first penalty was not the most difficult to either save or read, Karius should take great confidence from it. The German had a positive game, making smart saves from Dembele and Heung-min Son. There can also be no blame apportioned to him for either goal. His punch clear was simply unfortunate to land at the foot of Wanyama for the first, while Kane made no mistake with the second penalty.

The only worry is that the keeper’s distribution was haphazard. It is normally his most reliable trait, but he completed under one-third of his passes at Anfield. Tottenham’s high press goes some way to explaining that. This was at least two steps forward before one back.[/article]

More here.
 
And it doesn't matter if he touched it

It wasn't a deliberate touch. No one in their right mind can claim he meant to misskick it like that

It wasn't a sloppy pass, it was an unfortunate bobble
 
But Moss, by his own admission had 'no idea' so he guessed. A huge game in what is supposedly the biggest, richest league in the world and the officials are making decisions based purely on guess work.

That was the final conclusion of footy365's 16 conclusions too ... A great game with two worldies and people are only talking about the refereeing decisions.
 
Apropos the Wanyama goal, I know he didn't have long to react but Karius might have had a better chance of stopping it if he'd dived with his arms outstretched...and somewhere approaching the flightpath of the ball.
 
And at the risk of doing a Macca, I'm fed up with Sky pundits and commentators telling us any game with more than 3 goals is 'another great advert for the Premier League'. If you play for, work at or support a Premier League club could you give a shit about this? And as for 'best league in the world', I'm not even sure what that means.
 
And at the risk of doing a Macca, I'm fed up with Sky pundits and commentators telling us any game with more than 3 goals is 'another great advert for the Premier League'. If you play for, work at or support a Premier League club could you give a shit about this? And as for 'best league in the world', I'm not even sure what that means.
Yup. Trying to justify what they paid for it
 
And at the risk of doing a Macca, I'm fed up with Sky pundits and commentators telling us any game with more than 3 goals is 'another great advert for the Premier League'. If you play for, work at or support a Premier League club could you give a shit about this? And as for 'best league in the world', I'm not even sure what that means.

Do you think Jamie Carragher was a "coward" when he played for us too, like Macca?
 
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