[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38421.msg1363783#msg1363783 date=1310487145]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38421.msg1363359#msg1363359 date=1310406307]
I thought Speke, when it was first raised five years or more ago made some sense actually Sunny.
I accept the reservations over where to meet and have a pint without well.....reservation, and there would be nowhere that could be a substitute for the Harry, but the rest of it from a practicality point is different
The transport links and the suitability of the infrastructure are really something else. Liverpool SouthParkway transport hub is just over a mile away , that is local rail, main line and bus (I agree it is over two miles from the airport and that did not make much sense). The site in question was Silcocks old marshalling yard , that is still used but not to the same extent as it used to be when Fords where at the most productive. The site actually has it's own rail spur going into it. It is at the start of route 7 which now links into the knowsley express-way which in turn links with the M62 in both directions and the M57 (dead handy for North Liverpool as you will know Mr S). It also feeds onto the Runcorn bridge and when the new bridge is built will enhance transport even further.
With not too much traffic management by the authorities you could empty the area in no time There are loads of industrial areas around for turning into parking too.
The airport is on the door step as has been noted, and there are quite a few new hotels springing up.
I am flattered that anyone remembered my support for Speke, but as Peter reminds us , it is in an industrial area so no issue with neighbours and planning (which has been a big plus for the Mancs), and it is also still in Liverpool....oh and it is only about ten minutes away from me 😉.
The Anfield area barely copes with 45k people now, let alone a 50% increase on that.
I would not be too dismissive of it
regards
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Fair enough points Vlad but it would be completely sterile and there's more to going the match than just going to the match. I don't care if having stadium banged on to some industrial wastelands suits other teams I simply don't think it suits Liverpool. It also 9 miles outside the city centre which is where most visiting people will be located accommodation wise. New hotels or not, there's not enough to cope with the numbers. Nor is there enough public transport to cope with numbers. South Parkway is in Garston/Allerton, not Speke. The rail line you speak of that it maybe situated on is a mainline not a local line and thus people would have to get into town and transfer at Lime St. The buses would not cope with the numbers coming from everywhere. I don't care what people say about the infrastructure of Anfield. Fact is, it's central Liverpool and thus has links from the city, North and South Liverpool and thus the public transport load is well distributed whereas being in Speke will mean it's unidirectional. It'll be chaos and about £20 odd quid into town in a Joe. How many people do you seriously think will get off a plane and go straight the game ?
And it may be near for you Vlad but it's fucking miles for me and it would mean having a bevvy locally and getting a cab there and back and you're looking at £50-60 just in cab fares or about an hour on the train or double that on buses. Fuck all of that. My mates live all over the city and it would be logistically impossible for us to all meet up at the match as we have for 20 odd years. I'd be saying the same if they were looking in Kirkby by the way - which is 10 minutes for me !
So, in my view, if people want to retain what to me is the real occasion of going the match - meeting up, having a chat and a few beers, maybe a jaunt into town afterwards then LFC needs to remain in Anfield or at least central. If all it is about is just going to watch a game of footy then fine - plant it on some soulless sterile landscape in the arse end of the city.
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I take your points Sunny and to a large extent I agree completely, but if I may be a little pedantic South Parkway may be in Garston, but its still only a mile away, and the site is just on six miles from the Albert Dock not 9. They could also beef up the public transport for match days with more bus's from the centre. It may have a lot of things going against it as you say but transport, in my opinion, isn't really one of them.
regards
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38421.msg1363359#msg1363359 date=1310406307]
I thought Speke, when it was first raised five years or more ago made some sense actually Sunny.
I accept the reservations over where to meet and have a pint without well.....reservation, and there would be nowhere that could be a substitute for the Harry, but the rest of it from a practicality point is different
The transport links and the suitability of the infrastructure are really something else. Liverpool SouthParkway transport hub is just over a mile away , that is local rail, main line and bus (I agree it is over two miles from the airport and that did not make much sense). The site in question was Silcocks old marshalling yard , that is still used but not to the same extent as it used to be when Fords where at the most productive. The site actually has it's own rail spur going into it. It is at the start of route 7 which now links into the knowsley express-way which in turn links with the M62 in both directions and the M57 (dead handy for North Liverpool as you will know Mr S). It also feeds onto the Runcorn bridge and when the new bridge is built will enhance transport even further.
With not too much traffic management by the authorities you could empty the area in no time There are loads of industrial areas around for turning into parking too.
The airport is on the door step as has been noted, and there are quite a few new hotels springing up.
I am flattered that anyone remembered my support for Speke, but as Peter reminds us , it is in an industrial area so no issue with neighbours and planning (which has been a big plus for the Mancs), and it is also still in Liverpool....oh and it is only about ten minutes away from me 😉.
The Anfield area barely copes with 45k people now, let alone a 50% increase on that.
I would not be too dismissive of it
regards
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Fair enough points Vlad but it would be completely sterile and there's more to going the match than just going to the match. I don't care if having stadium banged on to some industrial wastelands suits other teams I simply don't think it suits Liverpool. It also 9 miles outside the city centre which is where most visiting people will be located accommodation wise. New hotels or not, there's not enough to cope with the numbers. Nor is there enough public transport to cope with numbers. South Parkway is in Garston/Allerton, not Speke. The rail line you speak of that it maybe situated on is a mainline not a local line and thus people would have to get into town and transfer at Lime St. The buses would not cope with the numbers coming from everywhere. I don't care what people say about the infrastructure of Anfield. Fact is, it's central Liverpool and thus has links from the city, North and South Liverpool and thus the public transport load is well distributed whereas being in Speke will mean it's unidirectional. It'll be chaos and about £20 odd quid into town in a Joe. How many people do you seriously think will get off a plane and go straight the game ?
And it may be near for you Vlad but it's fucking miles for me and it would mean having a bevvy locally and getting a cab there and back and you're looking at £50-60 just in cab fares or about an hour on the train or double that on buses. Fuck all of that. My mates live all over the city and it would be logistically impossible for us to all meet up at the match as we have for 20 odd years. I'd be saying the same if they were looking in Kirkby by the way - which is 10 minutes for me !
So, in my view, if people want to retain what to me is the real occasion of going the match - meeting up, having a chat and a few beers, maybe a jaunt into town afterwards then LFC needs to remain in Anfield or at least central. If all it is about is just going to watch a game of footy then fine - plant it on some soulless sterile landscape in the arse end of the city.
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I take your points Sunny and to a large extent I agree completely, but if I may be a little pedantic South Parkway may be in Garston, but its still only a mile away, and the site is just on six miles from the Albert Dock not 9. They could also beef up the public transport for match days with more bus's from the centre. It may have a lot of things going against it as you say but transport, in my opinion, isn't really one of them.
regards
