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'Liverpool Owners Seek Replacement for Roy Hodgson'

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Rangnick is an excellent manager and is pro attacking football.

BUT, he hasn't won anything of note. And should therefor not be considered imho.

Deschamps would be my nr 1 candidate.
 
He does indeed sound like the sort of clueless bellend that some clueless bellends might think that LFC should employ.

Why change now?
 
One thing for sure is we need someone to shake things up. Trophies won is important but shouldn't be the be all and end all with regards to hiring a manager. Rijkaard has two league titles and a European cup but it could be argued he will have trouble achieving that success elsewhere.
 
I'm not sure it's always a good idea to restrict your recruitment to managers who have already won things.
 
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=43363.msg1241900#msg1241900 date=1294063766]
I'm not sure it's always a good idea to restrict your recruitment to managers who have already won things.
[/quote]Spot on.

At least they don't have to have won anything at the highest level. It's not bad of course if they have already but if they are young, adventureous and talented it's not the end all be all whether they've already been smothered in trophies.
 
could we not get this guy in and see how he does? he can keep his national job.
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Do we really have to take such a gamble. Haven't we done that already. Isn't the name Liverpool capable of attracting better names?

It's also sinking in, how much power Comolli has, now that the manager's position is untenable here. It also might make the job of a new manager tough.

Finally, I am surprised Hodgson has been so publicly undermined by FSG - I thought they'd take the scalpel out quickly. I want him gone, but not sure this open secret is good for us, if it's going to drag on much longer.
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=43363.msg1241915#msg1241915 date=1294064931]
Do we really have to take such a gamble. Haven't we done that already. Isn't the name Liverpool capable of attracting better names?

It's also sinking in, how much power Comolli has, now that the manager's position is untenable here. It also might make the job of a new manager tough.

Finally, I am surprised Hodgson has been so publicly undermined by FSG - I thought they'd take the scalpel out quickly. I want him gone, but not sure this open secret is good for us, if it's going to drag on much longer.
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All appointments are a gamble?

This guys record speaks for itself.

As manager
FC Aarau
1 × Swiss Cup: 1985
Grasshopper
2 × Swiss Super League: 1989-1990, 1990-1991
2 × Swiss Cup: 1989, 1990
Borussia Dortmund
1 × UEFA Champions League: 1996–97
2 × German League: 1994–95, 1995–96
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 1997
Bayern Munich
1 × UEFA Champions League: 2000–01
5 × German League: 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2007-08
3 × German Cup: 1999–00, 2002-03, 2007-08
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 2001
Individual honours
2 World Coach of the Year (1997 and 2001)
Voted Bayern Munich's greatest coach ever
Rated the best Bundesliga-coach of all time
 
He's first and foremost a very defensive minded coach isn't he?

I really hope we get someone in with a far more positive and attacking-minded approach.
 
[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=43363.msg1241923#msg1241923 date=1294065241]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43363.msg1241915#msg1241915 date=1294064931]
Do we really have to take such a gamble. Haven't we done that already. Isn't the name Liverpool capable of attracting better names?

It's also sinking in, how much power Comolli has, now that the manager's position is untenable here. It also might make the job of a new manager tough.

Finally, I am surprised Hodgson has been so publicly undermined by FSG - I thought they'd take the scalpel out quickly. I want him gone, but not sure this open secret is good for us, if it's going to drag on much longer.
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All appointments are a gamble?

This guys record speaks for itself.

As manager
FC Aarau
1 × Swiss Cup: 1985
Grasshopper
2 × Swiss Super League: 1989-1990, 1990-1991
2 × Swiss Cup: 1989, 1990
Borussia Dortmund
1 × UEFA Champions League: 1996–97
2 × German League: 1994–95, 1995–96
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 1997
Bayern Munich
1 × UEFA Champions League: 2000–01
5 × German League: 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2007-08
3 × German Cup: 1999–00, 2002-03, 2007-08
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 2001
Individual honours
2 World Coach of the Year (1997 and 2001)
Voted Bayern Munich's greatest coach ever
Rated the best Bundesliga-coach of all time
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No I was taking about Ratty, the Hoffenheim Fella. Hitz is intriguing
 
Whose honours are those?!

Plus, anyone happy that we have a failed French scout as the *only* person who has even the slightest clue about football, making decisions at our club is a fucking retard.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=43363.msg1241934#msg1241934 date=1294065946]
Whose honours are those?!

Plus, anyone happy that we have a failed French scout as the *only* person who has even the slightest clue about football, making decisions at our club is a fucking retard.
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Well he has cool glasses. Looks pretty mature for a kid!
 
[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=43363.msg1241923#msg1241923 date=1294065241]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43363.msg1241915#msg1241915 date=1294064931]
Do we really have to take such a gamble. Haven't we done that already. Isn't the name Liverpool capable of attracting better names?

It's also sinking in, how much power Comolli has, now that the manager's position is untenable here. It also might make the job of a new manager tough.

Finally, I am surprised Hodgson has been so publicly undermined by FSG - I thought they'd take the scalpel out quickly. I want him gone, but not sure this open secret is good for us, if it's going to drag on much longer.
[/quote]

All appointments are a gamble?

This guys record speaks for itself.

As manager
FC Aarau
1 × Swiss Cup: 1985
Grasshopper
2 × Swiss Super League: 1989-1990, 1990-1991
2 × Swiss Cup: 1989, 1990
Borussia Dortmund
1 × UEFA Champions League: 1996–97
2 × German League: 1994–95, 1995–96
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 1997
Bayern Munich
1 × UEFA Champions League: 2000–01
5 × German League: 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2007-08
3 × German Cup: 1999–00, 2002-03, 2007-08
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 2001
Individual honours
2 World Coach of the Year (1997 and 2001)
Voted Bayern Munich's greatest coach ever
Rated the best Bundesliga-coach of all time
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Of course all appointments are a gamble. Roy himself was Manager of the Year last season.
 
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[quote author=redhorizon link=topic=43363.msg1241923#msg1241923 date=1294065241]
[quote author=localny link=topic=43363.msg1241915#msg1241915 date=1294064931]
Do we really have to take such a gamble. Haven't we done that already. Isn't the name Liverpool capable of attracting better names?

It's also sinking in, how much power Comolli has, now that the manager's position is untenable here. It also might make the job of a new manager tough.

Finally, I am surprised Hodgson has been so publicly undermined by FSG - I thought they'd take the scalpel out quickly. I want him gone, but not sure this open secret is good for us, if it's going to drag on much longer.
[/quote]

All appointments are a gamble?

This guys record speaks for itself.

As manager
FC Aarau
1 × Swiss Cup: 1985
Grasshopper
2 × Swiss Super League: 1989-1990, 1990-1991
2 × Swiss Cup: 1989, 1990
Borussia Dortmund
1 × UEFA Champions League: 1996–97
2 × German League: 1994–95, 1995–96
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 1997
Bayern Munich
1 × UEFA Champions League: 2000–01
5 × German League: 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2007-08
3 × German Cup: 1999–00, 2002-03, 2007-08
1 × Intercontinental Cup: 2001
Individual honours
2 World Coach of the Year (1997 and 2001)
Voted Bayern Munich's greatest coach ever
Rated the best Bundesliga-coach of all time
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Of course all appointments are a gamble. Roy himself was Manager of the Year last season.
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Yeah, but not many people saw that as a badge of honor. I'd sooner a trophy winner than a bells manager of the month
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=43363.msg1241904#msg1241904 date=1294064090]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=43363.msg1241900#msg1241900 date=1294063766]
I'm not sure it's always a good idea to restrict your recruitment to managers who have already won things.
[/quote]Spot on.

At least they don't have to have won anything at the highest level. It's not bad of course if they have already but if they are young, adventureous and talented it's not the end all be all whether they've already been smothered in trophies.
[/quote]

By this approach, Barcelona should not have hired either Rijkaard or Guardiola. I think Barca has done alright with their approach.
 
[quote author=FreshRed link=topic=43363.msg1241960#msg1241960 date=1294067909]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=43363.msg1241904#msg1241904 date=1294064090]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=43363.msg1241900#msg1241900 date=1294063766]
I'm not sure it's always a good idea to restrict your recruitment to managers who have already won things.
[/quote]Spot on.

At least they don't have to have won anything at the highest level. It's not bad of course if they have already but if they are young, adventureous and talented it's not the end all be all whether they've already been smothered in trophies.
[/quote]

By this approach, Barcelona should not have hired either Rijkaard or Guardiola. I think Barca has done alright with their approach.
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They really have (Sigh). The million dollar question - how to spot these managers that just have it, even when young. Is it a fair maxim to say that young manager at a big clubs (who hasn' t won anything at managerial level,) only does well if they had illustrious and respected playing careers (helps win over the dressing room)?
 
Whatever NESV/FSG are thinking or contemplating they should act quickly.

This continued speculation about Roy Hodgson isn't good for him, us or the players.

Some direction is needed.
 
Look at arsenal's hiring of whinger. What had he won before joining arsenal?
I have a shortlist of things I want from the new manager and trophies won isn't top of the list but that does show that that the manager is a winner but that shouldn't be the end of the story
With regards to a manager who has won stuff;
Did that manager spend loads of money?
Did that manager win stuff ages ago?
did that manager arrive when there was a strong squad?
did that manager luck into a fantastic youth set up?
Did that manager win a weak league?

easy to state the obvious of trophies won but we need to dig beneath the surface and cast our net wide and not limit ourselves to preconceived notions of who should carry us forward.
 
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[quote author=FreshRed link=topic=43363.msg1241960#msg1241960 date=1294067909]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=43363.msg1241904#msg1241904 date=1294064090]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=43363.msg1241900#msg1241900 date=1294063766]
I'm not sure it's always a good idea to restrict your recruitment to managers who have already won things.
[/quote]Spot on.

At least they don't have to have won anything at the highest level. It's not bad of course if they have already but if they are young, adventureous and talented it's not the end all be all whether they've already been smothered in trophies.
[/quote]

By this approach, Barcelona should not have hired either Rijkaard or Guardiola. I think Barca has done alright with their approach.
[/quote]

They really have (Sigh). The million dollar question - how to spot these managers that just have it, even when young. Is it a fair maxim to say that young manager at a big clubs (who hasn' t won anything at managerial level,) only does well if they had illustrious and respected playing careers (helps win over the dressing room)?
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I think it is quite clear how some managers will progress based on their experience at lower levels. For example, Hughes, Allardyce, Hodgson have all done well by making their teams difficult to beat, but when asked to take jobs where they actually are supposed to win, they fail.

Some of the managers we have been linked with are more than difficult to beat. Look at Bolton under Allardyce and Coyle - similar places in the league, but the Allardyce team was hard to beat and the Coyle team is fun to watch and looks like they might win every game they play. I don't know if Coyle is the real thing yet, but he is much, much more interesting that Sam. My understanding is that Vilas Boas, Rangnick and Klopp are similar in that their teams play football and I think that is essential to winning at the highest level. The huge exceptions to this are Mourinho and Italian World Cup teams - they win big things playing anti-football, which is unfortunate.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43363.msg1241972#msg1241972 date=1294069062]
Look at arsenal's hiring of whinger. What had he won before joining arsenal?

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The French League
The French Cup
UEFA Cup Winners Cup Runner up
The Japanese Emperor's Cup
The Japanese League Cup
 
If we take a gamble than we should look at a former player who wants next level up (fowler/hamman), or take an experianced hand who's won things. Lippi/Hietzfeld/Bert van Marwijk.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43363.msg1241995#msg1241995 date=1294070975]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43363.msg1241972#msg1241972 date=1294069062]
Look at arsenal's hiring of whinger. What had he won before joining arsenal?

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The French League
The French Cup
UEFA Cup Winners Cup Runner up
The Japanese Emperor's Cup
The Japanese League Cup


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Awesome! Why wasn't he snapped up sooner?
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=43363.msg1241995#msg1241995 date=1294070975]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=43363.msg1241972#msg1241972 date=1294069062]
Look at arsenal's hiring of whinger. What had he won before joining arsenal?

[/quote]

The French League
The French Cup
UEFA Cup Winners Cup Runner up
The Japanese Emperor's Cup
The Japanese League Cup


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Awesome! Why wasn't he snapped up sooner?
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I may be wrong but wasn't foreign manager (esp at top clubs, in England) before his success at Arsenal an 'alien' thing prior to his arrival?
 
David Dein knew him and appointed him.

David Dein is respected throughout the world and has superb football contacts at the very highest level.

Tom Werner knows Bill Cosby
 
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