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Poll Liverpool Manager For Next Season
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Rafa is arguably the best amongst those lot.
All 3 combined, bar Rafa, have won nothing of note. No thanks.
Rafa isn't too bad, is he ? He's had only one really bad season during his reign, and that's largely due to the behind-the-scenes factors that are clearly affecting everyone.
I don't think even Mourinho would have done a much better job than Rafa did, if he too had to work under the current conditions.
I say give him another chance ONLY if there's money to spend.
If there isn't, then you'd need a wheel-and-deal sort of manager who can still win games with a shoe-string budget, and Rafa isn't that sort of manager. Rafa is the type who only thrives when you give him enough money to buy the full furniture set.
The other 3 - they will do a better job than Rafa only if there's not much money to spend, simply because they are good man-managers and motivators and excel in making the most of what they've got and bring out the best in them.
All 3 combined, bar Rafa, have won nothing of note. No thanks.
Rafa isn't too bad, is he ? He's had only one really bad season during his reign, and that's largely due to the behind-the-scenes factors that are clearly affecting everyone.
I don't think even Mourinho would have done a much better job than Rafa did, if he too had to work under the current conditions.
I say give him another chance ONLY if there's money to spend.
If there isn't, then you'd need a wheel-and-deal sort of manager who can still win games with a shoe-string budget, and Rafa isn't that sort of manager. Rafa is the type who only thrives when you give him enough money to buy the full furniture set.
The other 3 - they will do a better job than Rafa only if there's not much money to spend, simply because they are good man-managers and motivators and excel in making the most of what they've got and bring out the best in them.
Rafa's going to be able to form a minority government.
[quote author=irishred link=topic=40212.msg1103851#msg1103851 date=1273667733]
- O'Neill M 13/8
- Mourinho J 2/1
- Hodgson R 5/1
- Dalglish K 10/1
- Blanc L 11/1
- Oswaldo de Oliveira 12/1
- Hiddink G 12/1
- Klinsmann J 16/1
- McLeish A 16/1
- Schuster B 20/1
- Hughes M 20/1
- Lippi M 25/1
- Rijkaard F 25/1
- Bilic S 25/1
- Scolari P 25/1
- Van Basten M 25/1
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Interesting. That's the first time in months that I've seen a list of odds with Mourinho not at the top.
- O'Neill M 13/8
- Mourinho J 2/1
- Hodgson R 5/1
- Dalglish K 10/1
- Blanc L 11/1
- Oswaldo de Oliveira 12/1
- Hiddink G 12/1
- Klinsmann J 16/1
- McLeish A 16/1
- Schuster B 20/1
- Hughes M 20/1
- Lippi M 25/1
- Rijkaard F 25/1
- Bilic S 25/1
- Scolari P 25/1
- Van Basten M 25/1
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Interesting. That's the first time in months that I've seen a list of odds with Mourinho not at the top.
Because if he leaves Inter, everyone knows where he is going
It does look likely at the moment, but why haven't the odds against him lengthened more than this?
I think Hodgson is an attractive bet at 5/1. Watch the odds halve if Fulham win.
Plus he's reported to have publicly stated his interest in the job if it became available.
Idiots keep betting on him maybe?
I hate this shit about managers who have already won something important. Only very few managers ever win anything and they're nearly always the ones who are at big clubs.
How many active managers have won the league? Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelotti - am I missing one?
How about the CL? Ferguson, Guardiola, Mourinho, Benitez, Ancelotti, van Gaal, Rijkaard, Del Bosque, Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld, who else?
How many active managers have won the league? Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelotti - am I missing one?
How about the CL? Ferguson, Guardiola, Mourinho, Benitez, Ancelotti, van Gaal, Rijkaard, Del Bosque, Capello, Lippi, Hitzfeld, who else?
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[quote author=irishred link=topic=40212.msg1103851#msg1103851 date=1273667733]
- O'Neill M 13/8
- Mourinho J 2/1
- Hodgson R 5/1
- Dalglish K 10/1
- Blanc L 11/1
- Oswaldo de Oliveira 12/1
- Hiddink G 12/1
- Klinsmann J 16/1
- McLeish A 16/1
- Schuster B 20/1
- Hughes M 20/1
- Lippi M 25/1
- Rijkaard F 25/1
- Bilic S 25/1
- Scolari P 25/1
- Van Basten M 25/1
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Interesting. That's the first time in months that I've seen a list of odds with Mourinho not at the top.
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If that list is true then he'll be at the top of it now
[quote author=irishred link=topic=40212.msg1103851#msg1103851 date=1273667733]
- O'Neill M 13/8
- Mourinho J 2/1
- Hodgson R 5/1
- Dalglish K 10/1
- Blanc L 11/1
- Oswaldo de Oliveira 12/1
- Hiddink G 12/1
- Klinsmann J 16/1
- McLeish A 16/1
- Schuster B 20/1
- Hughes M 20/1
- Lippi M 25/1
- Rijkaard F 25/1
- Bilic S 25/1
- Scolari P 25/1
- Van Basten M 25/1
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Interesting. That's the first time in months that I've seen a list of odds with Mourinho not at the top.
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If that list is true then he'll be at the top of it now
Oswaldo de Oliveira has been 12-1 since last season. Who the fuck is betting on HIM?
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I won't be crying unless Rafa stays on.
I've been resigned to the fact that Benitez will be here next season for a while now.
He won't walk, we can't afford to sack him and no-one with half a brain would want the job anyway.
He won't walk, we can't afford to sack him and no-one with half a brain would want the job anyway.
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It's not quite as simple as seeing who's the best manager from that lot, and for the record it's Rafa by a long way.
The issue is whether the manager can bring us out of the crap we're in.
And that isnt Rafa.
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A very good summation.
It's not quite as simple as seeing who's the best manager from that lot, and for the record it's Rafa by a long way.
The issue is whether the manager can bring us out of the crap we're in.
And that isnt Rafa.
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A very good summation.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40212.msg1104230#msg1104230 date=1273706124]
I see McClaren's gone to Wolfsburg.
I quite like the idea of him for some reason. Not above Rafa of course. Or Capello, etc. But if we're looking at 'next-tier' candiadates in McLeish, Hodgson, et al then I'd listen to an argument for McClaren.
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I'd be very sceptical, Ryan. McClaren's a coach, which is essentially what his job with Twente has required (and his upcoming one with the Jairmens will require) him to be. A manager's job in English football is a rather different one and Brolly Boy's time at Boro does not suggest - to say the least - that he's as well suited to it as he is to the European version.
I see McClaren's gone to Wolfsburg.
I quite like the idea of him for some reason. Not above Rafa of course. Or Capello, etc. But if we're looking at 'next-tier' candiadates in McLeish, Hodgson, et al then I'd listen to an argument for McClaren.
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I'd be very sceptical, Ryan. McClaren's a coach, which is essentially what his job with Twente has required (and his upcoming one with the Jairmens will require) him to be. A manager's job in English football is a rather different one and Brolly Boy's time at Boro does not suggest - to say the least - that he's as well suited to it as he is to the European version.
Roy Hodgson says he's staying at Fulham
McClaren has quite an unfair reputation in England (or 'had' anyway, its obviously picking up a bit now) based purely on the fact that he was given the England job when he really shouldn't have been.
As Jules said, McClaren is an excellent coach. Derby did well enough when he was there for Alex Ferguson to want him as Assistant Manager, and while he was at United I believe they won the title every year. Don't forget that he wasn't just picked as England manager out of nowhere. He was part of the set up for a few years before that and the players respected him a lot apparently.
As a manager I am not 100% convinced. He has had his successes - the only manager ever to win anything with Middlesboro, and now obviously this success in Holland - but he was at Boro at the time when they had a lot of cash to spend, and they rarely broke into the top 10 in the league while he was there. The success was in the cups.
He's done a good job by the looks of it in Holland, but that's hardly a great league is it? Would we consider success in a second rate league as a qualification to manage Liverpool if it was someone else? I wouldn't have thought so.
Very good coach, fairly decent manager but nothing special I don't think.
As Jules said, McClaren is an excellent coach. Derby did well enough when he was there for Alex Ferguson to want him as Assistant Manager, and while he was at United I believe they won the title every year. Don't forget that he wasn't just picked as England manager out of nowhere. He was part of the set up for a few years before that and the players respected him a lot apparently.
As a manager I am not 100% convinced. He has had his successes - the only manager ever to win anything with Middlesboro, and now obviously this success in Holland - but he was at Boro at the time when they had a lot of cash to spend, and they rarely broke into the top 10 in the league while he was there. The success was in the cups.
He's done a good job by the looks of it in Holland, but that's hardly a great league is it? Would we consider success in a second rate league as a qualification to manage Liverpool if it was someone else? I wouldn't have thought so.
Very good coach, fairly decent manager but nothing special I don't think.
Was it McClaren who started bringing through all the yoof at Boro?
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