LiverDOPE FC

[MomoWASright]

There's no rule against running a doping programme in any club.

The only rules that exist punish players for being caught. If a team has more than two players test positive in the same year they come under more testing scrutiny.

The UEFA anti doping guidelines say in respect of clubs, they'll be punished in line with the UEFA Disciplinary Guidelines.
If you go to the UEFA Disciplinary Guidelines and look under the heading anti doping , you get referred to the anti doping guidelines.

So I don't see that anybody offence or punishment exists.

I wonder why ?

They can’t work out FFP how the fuck can they get their heads round the thousands of ways players can be doped up.

 

[The Nomad]

I don't get how some people think athletes are squeaky clean.. it's all about keeping one step ahead of WADA and the relevant authorities.

Yes, the athletes all say the same, that cheats should be banned.

However they all have 'nutritionists' and 'dietitians' who tell them "Take this, it will help you recover x% quicker, it's safe.. it's not on the banned list'.

It's about staying one step ahead, as soon as something is added to the list.. it's about finding the new thing.

Are we doping? Probably.. just better than anyone else..

 

[doctor_mac]

The weak link in the systematic doping initiated by clubs in footy is that all players would keep quiet about it. Players leave teams in acrimonious circumstances all the time, or are denied a move that they are desperate to get. Surely one, or their unscrupulous low life agent would have clubs over a barrel if this was true? Unless this is all happening in a way the players are completely naive about. Time for your vitamins laddy?

 

[Rosco]

The weak link in the systematic doping initiated by clubs in footy is that all players would keep quiet about it. Players leave teams in acrimonious circumstances all the time, or are denied a move that they are desperate to get. Surely one, or their unscrupulous low life agent would have clubs over a barrel if this was true? Unless this is all happening in a way the players are completely naive about. Time for your vitamins laddy?

I think there would be plausible deniability built into any system.

Bayern's doctor maintains a private practice in which he sees patients. He'd be doing that shit there for Bayern players and then the club can deny involvement.

The doctor who admitted doping Premier League players in London worked in a similar fashion.

If everyone is at it, then exposing it is only going to get you blacklisted. The media have reported on doping but it never gets any real traction in the media and never develops into a scandal the way it should.

I mean Beckham told us he was joining AC Milan because they had some secret way of extending player careers - doping is the most effective way. Nobody has talked about whatever was being done in the ten years since.

You kill the golden goose by exposing it , like they did in the MLB. It's in everyone's interest who is making a fortune to say nothing.

 

[Atlas]

I mean Beckham told us he was joining AC Milan because they had some secret way of extending player careers - doping is the most effective way. Nobody has talked about whatever was being done in the ten years since.

You are taking the conspiracy theories too far.
Maybe it was just horse placenta being used to help them stay healthy for longer, didn't think of that did ya?

 

[Frogfish]

The weak link in the systematic doping initiated by clubs in footy is that all players would keep quiet about it. Players leave teams in acrimonious circumstances all the time, or are denied a move that they are desperate to get. Surely one, or their unscrupulous low life agent would have clubs over a barrel if this was true? Unless this is all happening in a way the players are completely naive about. Time for your vitamins laddy?

Yep. As I said above. You would have to be a conspiracy nutter to believe this is widespread amongst top clubs and yet somehow still remains a tight-knit secret. It's way beyond improbable.

 

[Atlas]

Seriously though there have also been huge advancements in terms of nutritional knowledge, recovery methods, training improvements etc. Use of data, technology and recovery like cryotherapy, hyperbaric chambers etc
These have all no doubt played a huge part in the development of top athletic performance over the past decade or so.

 

[the count]

It stinks a bit too that the league doesn't publicise the names of players who test positive for banned substances allowing them to be out "injured"

 

[Rosco]

Yep. As I said above. You would have to be a conspiracy nutter to believe this is widespread amongst top clubs and yet somehow still remains a tight-knit secret. It's way beyond improbable.

It's not a tight knit secret.

Doctors have admitted to doping players - Mark Bonar.

You're just ignorant.

 

[Rosco]

You are taking the conspiracy theories too far.
Maybe it was just horse placenta being used to help them stay healthy for longer, didn't think of that did ya?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jan/19/football.sportfeatures

Milan were implicated in Operation Puerto too

 

[peterhague]

If it's as widespread as claimed, how did the Irish swimmer and Mo Farah make extraordinary gains by doing it, when most of their competitors were at it too?

 

[Atlas]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2003/jan/19/football.sportfeatures

I broadly agree with the point, the therapeutic exemption is no doubt used creatively in a variety of sports. As much as I want to believe Bolt is a freak human and incredible athlete (which he is) the numbers and data suggests he's either a ridiculously freak anomaly or there is some PED issue there.

 

[Atlas]

If it's as widespread as claimed, how did the Irish swimmer and Mo Farah make extraordinary gains by doing it, when most of their competitors were at it too?

Taking PEDs won't allow everyone to reach the same level and same speed. There are of course still a variety of other factors, training diet etc all still come into the equation.

 

[Athens]

If it's as widespread as claimed, how did the Irish swimmer and Mo Farah make extraordinary gains by doing it, when most of their competitors were at it too?

My guess is that part of it is possibly down to luck with how the drug interacts in your body, different people react differently to the same drugs.

Edit. Also, I suppose with the doping regimes part of it is balancing gains with closeness to the event and avoiding testing. Get a coach who can balance this nicely and you get an extra few percent performance.

 

[Rosco]

I broadly agree with the point, the therapeutic exemption is no doubt used creatively in a variety of sports. As much as I want to believe Bolt is a freak human and incredible athlete (which he is) the numbers and data suggests he's either a ridiculously freak anomaly or there is some PED issue there.

Bolt was probably a freak without PED's but I think he went from being a top class sprinter to the fastest man on the planet with PEDs.

Nobody ever wants to believe a story like his has something murky underneath.
Armstrong built a huge charity and lots of goodwill off the back of his PEDs and nobody was happy when the rug was pulled.

 

[Rosco]

Taking PEDs won't allow everyone to reach the same level and same speed. There are of course still a variety of other factors, training diet etc all still come into the equation.

Are you saying I can't compete in the Olympics if I start taking TRT and HGH now ?

 

[Atlas]

Are you saying I can't compete in the Olympics if I start taking TRT and HGH now ?

Start now, cycle that for 12 months.
Then tell everyone you want to be known as Rosalind or Rosie and ya good for a podium finish

 

[StevieM]

I think we gave Karius the wrong PEDs.