Nah. There's too many reports and missed tests and rumours etc. They're all on it and the fact that they're all on it probably means it's harder for the clean ones to speak up.
Athletes and PEDs are like politicians and corruption.
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Farah released a statement shortly after the news broke, which uses a lot of words to say a lot of nothing:
“I’m relieved that Usada has, after four years, completed their investigation into Alberto Salazar. I left the Nike Oregon Project in 2017 but as I’ve always said, I have no tolerance for anyone who breaks the rules or crosses a line. A ruling has been made and I’m glad there has finally been a conclusion.”
As I will detail below, without Alberto Salazar Mo Farah would barely register on the public’s consciousness. During a five year period from 2006 to 2010 Farah wins three European titles, finishes sixth and seventh at two different World Championships and fails to progress to his only Olympic final.
But then in 2011, something miraculous happens. Farah moves to the Nike Oregon Project to be coached by Alberto Salazar at the age of 28. He claims that Salazar encourages him to give up take away food and works on his core strength in the gym. Over the next seven years, during the exact period in which Salazar was found to the trafficking testosterone, giving unlawful IV infusions and obstructing the doping control process, Mo Farah:
- Wins 4 Olympic gold medals
- Wins 6 World Championship gold medals
- Wins 2 World Championship silver medals
- Breaks 8 British records
- Breaks 3 European records
- Breaks 1 world record
- Becomes the most successful male distance athlete in history
I guess I still believe in the innate honesty of some people. I simply don't believe they are all on it, especially with the stance some have taken (Horton & Scott vs Sun in swimming).
I think I heard somewhere that Ibuprofen can raise your performance levels by 4% on its own. That is why there is such a problem with amateur athletes becoming reliant on painkillers.
Andy Murray for example has had a lot to say re drugs and lack of testing etc in Tennis. I don't think he's been caught, accused or a proven cheat.
I must say though I read an article a while back with a Brit cyclist who said her results had improved massively because of a daily glass of milk before bed or something ridiculous. I can imagine a whole bundle of idiots running out to grab milk in the hope it'll help their performance to olympic medal winning speeds.
I must say though I read an article a while back with a Brit cyclist who said her results had improved massively because of a daily glass of milk before bed or something ridiculous. I can imagine a whole bundle of idiots running out to grab milk in the hope it'll help their performance to olympic medal winning speeds.
Sir Mo getting good all of a sudden around late 20s isn’t suspicious at all.
Not at all. Nothing to see here
My brother was a successful amateur cyclist. A lot of the guys he raced against as an amateur were later found to have doped, even when they were only racing for a few hundred Euros and the hope of impressing a big pro team.
He turned pro for a year (on the lesser circuit in the States) before giving it all up because he could see all the top guys were doping and he couldn't beat them clean. He reckoned only a handful of the European pros were NOT doping at that time.
There was very little money in cycling at the time. With all the money in football, I find it very implausible to think that most football players, with huge salaries, bonuses and endorsements at stake, aren't doing everything they can to enhance their performance.
Messi only moved to Barca because they agreed to pay for his human growth hormone.
Arsene Wenger is one of the few people in football who has ever really spoken openly about it, everyone else seems content to say nothing - or omerta as they say in cycling.
He turned pro for a year (on the lesser circuit in the States) before giving it all up because he could see all the top guys were doping and he couldn't beat them clean. He reckoned only a handful of the European pros were NOT doping at that time.
There was very little money in cycling at the time. With all the money in football, I find it very implausible to think that most football players, with huge salaries, bonuses and endorsements at stake, aren't doing everything they can to enhance their performance.
Messi only moved to Barca because they agreed to pay for his human growth hormone.
Arsene Wenger is one of the few people in football who has ever really spoken openly about it, everyone else seems content to say nothing - or omerta as they say in cycling.
Because a drug test doesn't come back with a yes / no answer.
They were caught using a stimulant. Maybe Bolt don't didn't take it ? Or had an exemption for it.
That doesn't mean he wasn't in a sophisticated doping programme involving testosterone and hgh.
There's about a 0.01 percent chance Bolt is clean. His improvement percentage in his first year oh his career is greater than any single year improvement in any sprinter ever - including the confirmed dopers.
People wanted to believe Armstrong was clean too and ignored the quite obvious signs for years.
Did you hear they took the word gullible out of the dictionary ?
After linking up with a dodgy coach.
Ireland had Michelle Smith go from a nobody in swimming to a multiple gold medallist after she began working with a coach known to be involved in doping
Although there is more at stake in football in terms of prize money, it is also true that the penalties would be far more severe for a club knowingly doping their players. Kicked out of cup competitions and automatic relegation to say nothing of the loss of sponsors.
It literally doesn't make any sense for a top flight club to be illegally doping players. Now using performance enhancing drugs that fall within the rules is something else.
Cycling has been up to this for years, it's rather exceptional and I wouldn't put it into the same basket as football. In cycling, without much in the way of fixed assets, they just go and form another team, new riders, new management and new sponsors and off they go again. That's hardly going to work for football clubs.
Who she ended up marrying, didn't she? Then she failed a urine test because it was whiskey, or something.
This assumes, of course, that it's the clubs that would direct a doping programme, and not individual players using their own initiative (with or without a quiet word from the club doctor). Plausible deniability, the club will happily distance itself from the player's actions. Remember Sakho and those weight loss drugs he was taking - they may have ultimately been shown to be not on the banned list but seriously, a professional athlete taking weight loss drugs, what is that all about? The club was quick to throw him under the bus for that one.
Your other point about non-banned substances is a real bugbear of mine (the Maria Sharapova incident was typical of this for me - she was taking something she didn't need, known to enhance performance, then it got added to the list and she was caught out). The key point was she was taking a medication with the sole aim of improving her performance. Banned substance or not, I'd have done her for doping. When my brother was riding, he wouldn't even take an aspirin if he had a headache, but lots of top athletes seem to have no issues taking substances with the sole benefit of enhancing performance. At the one end of the scale you have the triple espresso before the game brigade, at the other end the "asthmatics". The latest substance of choice seems to be ketones - not banned, no conclusive scientific research that it aids performance, and yet loads of athletes are doing it. Again, the cyclists seem to be ahead of the curve.
Do you have to be so confrontational? You assume I'm defending Bolt. I'm not. There's no solid proof out there so just interested in the subject without holding a strong opinion about it.
I'm genuinely curious how he got away with it while others didn't.
On that note, Russia was obviously targeted with their doping scandal, but it should have been easy for them, with nothing to lose, to prove to the world that every single top athlete competing at the Olympics took PED. What's stopping them from doing so if it's something so obvious that nobodies such as yourself can be certain of PED usage by all top athletes in sports? Interesting subject.
Yeah. She's now a barrister
There's loads of obvious answers and I pointed to some of them.
He might have a therapeutic use exemption.
He might not take the same stimulant the others took.
He might undergo Testosterone Replacement Therapy and he just has to stay within four times the normal adult testosterone level to be technically clean.
He might have taken HGH, which a test was only introduced for last year.
The testers also need to know what to test for, they can't test for every potential PED known to man, so they test for ones they know to be in use. In the BALCO Scandal the boss there went back to old pharmaceutical companies steroid trials and found one from the 50's that was never produced for any human use because of liver toxicity. So he had chemists produce it and used it. Nobody knew it was being used so nobody tested for it. Had one of his side kicks not blown the whistle that could have gone on forever.
Bolt might be on a very specific and sophisticated regime which if done correctly will rid your body of the evidence before testing - that's what Lance Armstrong did. His teammate Floyd Landis only got rumbled because he forgot to put some patch on one night in the middle of the tour de france(because he was pissed!)
Jamaica was also known to have not conducted a drugs test in the six months before the Olympics in 2012 , depending on what you're using its possible to stop before competition, retaining the strength and endurance gains during competition and still testing negative during competition because his system is clear.
There's literally hundreds of ways to game the system and look like you're clean. And that's before you get into the corruption and the silly shenanigans of plastic penises full of someone else piss for random piss tests. Jumping over walls. Being allowed to miss three tests before it counts against you. Legal actions and ridiculous stories like Kolo Toure's.
You may have a point with regard to individuals but that isn't the clubs and it is difficult to prove, even if there is any, direct involvement. I would think, for the reason I'll expand on below, that club involvement is highly unlikely.
In certain sports it's far easier to get away with using PEDs for the simple reason that the people involved are far fewer. Wrestling, weight lifting and even cycling comes to mind (despite the size of top pro teams). So generally that would be mostly individuals and their coaches. Pro cycling teams usually have 10-15 riders plus coaches, and would seem to be the exception to individual sports, where PEDs are prevalent.
Compare that to football. A squad of 22+ in the first team, then reserve teams and U21, management, coaches, medical team, owners and hangers-on. Even if the majority were not aware that's already an awful lot of people that need to keep a massive secret, indefinitely. And that's even before we consider disaffected leaving the club wanting payback, agents, ex-players, accidental slippage in public, drunken players, wives & partners, media involvement - where this would be a huge story that could make a journalist's career, and so on.
It's utterly impossible to believe that, if this is endemic to even just PL clubs (and if it was widespread then of course all major leagues in Europe, and maybe EFL leagues too, would be doing it), it could have been kept secret over all these years and by all those players etc. at all those clubs. You would have to be a serious conspiracy theorist to believe that was possible (though I know there are some whoppers of that ilk on this site) !
Non-banned substances is another subject entirely. If it's not banned it's legal until it's declared it isn't. Whether we like it or not.
How do you marry up the "we never do that" Klopp stance (cheering a sending off) to one that at best turns a blind eye to PED at worst has a systematic programme under his say so.
SCM posters eulogising about Klopp, his ethical stance, and moral standards are aplenty. Presumably they don't think he'd have any part of it?
I don't believe he wouldn't know if it was going on. I don't believe he would be for it for a second. Therefore I don't think it's happening at Liverpool.
If it is, it will be isolated.
SCM posters eulogising about Klopp, his ethical stance, and moral standards are aplenty. Presumably they don't think he'd have any part of it?
I don't believe he wouldn't know if it was going on. I don't believe he would be for it for a second. Therefore I don't think it's happening at Liverpool.
If it is, it will be isolated.
Further proof, if needed, that the legal profession is full of shady bastards.
All good points, I guess you're a bit more optimistic about the situation than I am, and maybe my view has been tainted because of what I know about cycling and seeing my brother work his arse off for 10 years to be the best he could be and then have to either take PEDs or quit.
I do think there will be a big scandal about drugs in football at some point soon - I think teams in Spain and Italy are more likely to be in the firing line. I'd guess the extent of it, or at least what comes out, will be less than I fear but more than you hope. I just hope our achievements don't end up tainted by it.
Bayern will have their 2020 European Cup win made null and void.
I was talking to a person who has experience in high school athletics and he was convinced that "doping" or "performance-enhancing supplements" is widespread in football and pretty much every sport. He said that it will be ever-present as testing programs are always at least 7-15 years behind sophisticated performance-enhancing protocols and will always remain so.
An article about the Juve scandal:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ame-of-juves-team-of-the-nineties-728710.html
Sako was caught taking his misses vitamin pills
..are you still practicing law Ross?
Indeed she does live a long way from Dun Laoghaire
There's no rule against running a doping programme in any club.
The only rules that exist punish players for being caught. If a team has more than two players test positive in the same year they come under more testing scrutiny.
The UEFA anti doping guidelines say in respect of clubs, they'll be punished in line with the UEFA Disciplinary Guidelines.
If you go to the UEFA Disciplinary Guidelines and look under the heading anti doping , you get referred to the anti doping guidelines.
So I don't see that anybody offence or punishment exists.
I wonder why ?
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