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He's not even on the shortlist with FSG.
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Martinez,Boas,Rodgers so far I'm hearing.
Seconded. Talk about "the triumph of hope over experience". He's a bright guy and he will do well eventually, but he's got a LOT of dues to pay before he's ready for a job like this one.
I guess it is mostly to do with the success he had at Porto doing the treble.
There is a sense that he was the wrong man at the wrong time at Chelsea. It probably required a more experienced manager with the authority to stand up to the Chelsea dressing room, the same one that will turn on De Matteo as soon as things go awry.
His success at Porto is somewhat undermined though, by the fact that they won their league again this season, almost in as emphatic fashion as previously under Boas.
Woy could probably have managed them to a title.
I think coaches aren't necessarily as bad as their last failure or as good as their last triumph. AVB, like Dalglish, may well have succeeded given more time and authority.
I think part of the appeal is that AVB has a clear approach to the game (although he tried to compromise on that at CFC), is young and ambitious, is smarting after being dumped by his last club, would work under a DOF, has won stuff and will sign sexy players.
For my part, although yesterday was a sad day, the skysports cretin inside me is chuffed that we probably won't be signing any British plodders this summer.
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Just Premiership plodders.
For me, the chelsea thing was an unfair representation tbh. He worked there in his twenties as Jose's analyst. He then comes back a few years later and the same spine of the team is there. The players may not have liked the leap from background nothing to their boss. There seemed to be a massive issue with the performance levels of the key players. Di matteo came in as a chelsea legend the players raised their game for him.
i think Boas could easily be a success at another prem club where he has no history.
Though he arrives, perhaps, as an already tainted figure. Someone who can be knocked off his perch by player power.
I also thought he came across as being tactically inept. It is alright having a philosophy, in fact I like that, but persisting with that philosophy when you don't have the personnel to make it work is fucking stupid. Teams were scoring for fun against Chelsea and it was as much to do with players being exposed by his philosophy as anything else. A really good coach could adapt- build a team to fulfil the vision, but mend and make do in the meantime. He fucked up, and part of that was because he couldn't make the best of what he had.
If your alarm bells aren't ringing yet they should be.
shall we get mcleish then, mac
the big difference is at liverpool the old guard are practically out the door. our younger players are ideally placed to take his tactics on board.
I think his powers might be in decline! Though he was on a hiding to nothing at Villa. Back on topic, Skully.
As the doc has pointed out though, a large part of the problem at Chelsea was that the players weren't suited to those tactics and AVB was either unwilling or unable to adapt them. If our players turn out to be unsuited to them as well we'll end up with the same problems they had, which (again as the doc points out) were at least as much AVB's own fault as they were that of the players.
Yeah, but why did he persist at Chelsea when his players weren't fitted to his systems? He played Terry in a high line, and he got caught out time and again. Whether our players are suited or not isn't the point. it suggests a lack of cerebral flexibility on his part.
His philosophy was persisted with, which was a bit shite, but lets be honest...most of us are looking for a manager based on how their teams play and their tactics as well as their record with signings. Chelsea didn't have the CBs to have a high line, we do. We also have a better DM than chelsea. I'm looking at the positives of his tactics and not so much the negatives. He should have addressed the issues with the defence...and TBF he did. He bought Cahill to deal with the pace issues...but with the player power he couldn't drop Terry without a full scale revolt.
Boas has a good record with signings too. Cahill has done good for them, Mata has been beast, lukaku is one of the hottest young talents around, as is de bruyne.
I really think theres a lot of positives.
we're not getting klopp so it has to be AVB if not rafa
We'll have to agree to differ then. Whatever the problems he encountered there, they won't have come as a complete surprise but he was ultimately unable to resolve them. I also think you're overpraising the signings somewhat - Cahill (whom I rate and wanted us to buy at one stage) has actually had quite a slow start for them, Mata tailed off after a bright start and the other two haven't been found places in the side yet, so we don't know how they'll turn out.
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I'm with JJ. I do like Mata, and I think VB is capable of attracting good players. But I think to ignore his shortcomings at Chelsea is dangerous.
How many people on here wanted mata and were apoplectic at the downing purchase.
But fair enough JJ. I liked what i saw. Tactics i respect, clever purchases. His versatility s questionable but he's managed a a high level and has been successful
I'm not ignoring them doc, i just think his shortcomings are less short than the others on the table. But fair enough, i won't argue with you lads. I like ya both too much.
Villas-Boas was certainly very highly rated last summer and his Porto team played a good brand of footie. I like the fact that the Russian crook paid the 15 million pounds to release him from his previous post and reports of his request that the Chelsea players include him in goal celebrations seems too far fetched to be true.
I wish they were, given that he seems to be on the radar for the LFC job, but I'm afraid I don't think so. He's known to have made them line up and shake his hand at the end of a training session, so there is some precedent there. It all smacks of a guy who simply didn't carry enough authority - not his fault, since he's still young, but hardly an indication that he'd suit us.
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