Kuyt

[mark1975]

Not really getting carried away on the back of one performance, I appreciate he's maybe been below par along with the rest of the team, but his stats this season read:

22 Appearances
7 Goals

That's still one in three, for a player who plays mainly on the right handside, he's on course for his regular 10-15 a season, which is probably as many as any player in his position in the league.

He's a senior player at the club now, and while it's often been mentioned that he tends to only really play well when the team are playing well, or at least when Gerrard and Torres are there, he can play a big part for us this season and lead from the front.

It looked right against Spurs, at least in terms of balance, having someone up there who would fight for the ball, etc. The problem might be away from home where he's likely to either get isolated or forced deep, but anyway.. he's got a big part to play and hopefully can spur us on for the rest of the season.

Well done Dirk!

 

[LeTallecWiz]

appreciate he's maybe been below par along with the rest of the team

'maybe'?

If those 7 goals came from the RW, i'd be ecstatic ... but how many have been (just like last year) from the ST position? Dirk is a solid striker (though he misses far too many easy chances, as evident by the Spurs game) and I would be happy with him to be Torres's partner or our #1 option off the bench. But our #1 RW? I still have issues with this ...

he can play a big part for us this season

We needed him the past 2-3 months Mark ... So now he can play a 'big part' once we can only fight for 4th and win the Europa League? Where was he when we really needed him?

He played great against Spurs - but that was his 1st really good game in months ... But it seems to have glossed over that because he's a really good kid who gives 110% every game for the badge (which is something I wish EVERY player did)

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38579.msg1040792#msg1040792 date=1264155005]
22 Appearances
7 Goals

That's still one in three, for a player who plays mainly on the right handside, he's on course for his regular 10-15 a season, which is probably as many as any player in his position in the league.
[/quote]

It's another 2 goals scored whilst he was upfront. How many has he actually scored from the right?

As likeable as he is, on the right, he simply isn't good enough to be a regular starter. He's another player in our team that is clearly good for the squad, but shouldn't be having as much game time. Personally, I'd prefer a 'proper' wide player on the right.

 

[themn]

Yay Dirk !

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38579.msg1040813#msg1040813 date=1264156987]

appreciate he's maybe been below par along with the rest of the team

'maybe'?

If those 7 goals came from the RW, i'd be ecstatic ... but how many have been (just like last year) from the ST position? Dirk is a solid striker (though he misses far too many easy chances, as evident by the Spurs game) and I would be happy with him to be Torres's partner or our #1 option off the bench. But our #1 RW? I still have issues with this ...

he can play a big part for us this season

We needed him the past 2-3 months Mark ... So now he can play a 'big part' once we can only fight for 4th and win the Europa League? Where was he when we really needed him?

He played great against Spurs - but that was his 1st really good game in months ... But it seems to have glossed over that because he's a really good kid who gives 110% every game for the badge (which is something I wish EVERY player did)
[/quote]You bang the 'where he gets his goals from' drum too often Wiz.
Dirk has played shit of late, everyone bar Ryan can see that, but denigrating his goal return is IMHO a bit ott.
He's a forward and plays either wide right or up front. From where he nets 15 goals a season. I don't know who you are trying to suggest he shouldn't play out right too?
I have a massive issue with playing a player week in week out who is off form, and for that reason I would have rested hi
long ago, but regardless of the fact he plays as part of a front 3 and gets 15 goals a season. What's to complain about?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38579.msg1040824#msg1040824 date=1264157986]
You bang the 'where he gets his goals from' drum too often Wiz.
Dirk has played shit of late, everyone bar Ryan can see that, but denigrating his goal return is IMHO a bit ott.
He's a forward and plays either wide right or up front. From where he nets 15 goals a season. I don't know who you are trying to suggest he shouldn't play out right too?
I have a massive issue with playing a player week in week out who is off form, and for that reason I would have rested hi
long ago, but regardless of the fact he plays as part of a front 3 and gets 15 goals a season. What's to complain about?
[/quote]

I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic. If not, then it's a problem as it's another position where we get little (to no) goal production (LW, DCM, DCM etc)

He shouldn't be on the right Andy - he's not good enough to be playing 30-40 games out there. If we're praising his goal return, then we should also praise it for what it's worth (ie most of them where he SHOULD be playing).

Why should I complain? see the bolded above. I don't blame him for this btw - it's not his fault Rafa a) refuses to rest/bench him when he's off form and b) that he's not played up front.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38579.msg1040827#msg1040827 date=1264158352]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38579.msg1040824#msg1040824 date=1264157986]
You bang the 'where he gets his goals from' drum too often Wiz.
Dirk has played shit of late, everyone bar Ryan can see that, but denigrating his goal return is IMHO a bit ott.
He's a forward and plays either wide right or up front. From where he nets 15 goals a season. I don't know who you are trying to suggest he shouldn't play out right too?
I have a massive issue with playing a player week in week out who is off form, and for that reason I would have rested hi
long ago, but regardless of the fact he plays as part of a front 3 and gets 15 goals a season. What's to complain about?
[/quote]

I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic. If not, then it's a problem as it's another position where we get little (to no) goal production (LW, DCM, DCM etc)

He shouldn't be on the right Andy - he's not good enough to be playing 30-40 games out there. If we're praising his goal return, then we should also praise it for what it's worth (ie most of them where he SHOULD be playing).

Why should I complain? see the bolded above. I don't blame him for this btw - it's not his fault Rafa a) refuses to rest/bench him when he's off form and b) that he's not played up front.
[/quote]I disagree wholeheartedly. When on form he is as good a right sided forward as you will find.
In the tail end of last season he ONLY played wide right and scored loads of goals (I know, he was my ff captain) I think you're only seeing what you want to see. If kuyt is on form there are only 2 players in the world I'd replace him with out there. He gets goals AND does the donkey work.
I'm all for resting him on his loooooong stretches of poor form mind you.

 

[manwithnoname]

I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic. If not, then it's a problem as it's another position where we get little (to no) goal production (LW, DCM, DCM etc)

He shouldn't be on the right Andy - he's not good enough to be playing 30-40 games out there. If we're praising his goal return, then we should also praise it for what it's worth (ie most of them where he SHOULD be playing).

Why should I complain? see the bolded above. I don't blame him for this btw - it's not his fault Rafa a) refuses to rest/bench him when he's off form and b) that he's not played up front.

So he plays 90% of his games out wide. You claim that he scores all his goals when played up front. So that would mean he scores 10-15 goals a season in only 10% of the total games he plays.

And you wonder why people think you shouldn't post about Dirk Kuyt?

To your credit, you have managed to not mention anyone Jewish yet.

 

[themn]

Dirk Dirk Dirk Dirk !

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38579.msg1040832#msg1040832 date=1264158892]

I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic. If not, then it's a problem as it's another position where we get little (to no) goal production (LW, DCM, DCM etc)

He shouldn't be on the right Andy - he's not good enough to be playing 30-40 games out there. If we're praising his goal return, then we should also praise it for what it's worth (ie most of them where he SHOULD be playing).

Why should I complain? see the bolded above. I don't blame him for this btw - it's not his fault Rafa a) refuses to rest/bench him when he's off form and b) that he's not played up front.

So he plays 90% of his games out wide. You claim that he scores all his goals when played up front. So that would mean he scores 10-15 goals a season in only 10% of the total games he plays.

And you wonder why people think you shouldn't post about Dirk Kuyt?

To your credit, you have managed to not mention anyone Jewish yet.
[/quote]Shit!!! I never thought of it like that! Wizzy has unwittingly answered all our problems. Play deadly up front for an anticipated goal return of 125 per season

 

[Atlas]

His stats are completely off, but he makes a good point and the beating of the drum should continue.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38579.msg1040831#msg1040831 date=1264158706]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38579.msg1040827#msg1040827 date=1264158352]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38579.msg1040824#msg1040824 date=1264157986]
You bang the 'where he gets his goals from' drum too often Wiz.
Dirk has played shit of late, everyone bar Ryan can see that, but denigrating his goal return is IMHO a bit ott.
He's a forward and plays either wide right or up front. From where he nets 15 goals a season. I don't know who you are trying to suggest he shouldn't play out right too?
I have a massive issue with playing a player week in week out who is off form, and for that reason I would have rested hi
long ago, but regardless of the fact he plays as part of a front 3 and gets 15 goals a season. What's to complain about?
[/quote]

I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic. If not, then it's a problem as it's another position where we get little (to no) goal production (LW, DCM, DCM etc)

He shouldn't be on the right Andy - he's not good enough to be playing 30-40 games out there. If we're praising his goal return, then we should also praise it for what it's worth (ie most of them where he SHOULD be playing).

Why should I complain? see the bolded above. I don't blame him for this btw - it's not his fault Rafa a) refuses to rest/bench him when he's off form and b) that he's not played up front.
[/quote]I disagree wholeheartedly. When on form he is as good a right sided forward as you will find.
In the tail end of last season he ONLY played wide right and scored loads of goals (I know, he was my ff captain) I think you're only seeing what you want to see. If kuyt is on form there are only 2 players in the world I'd replace him with out there. He gets goals AND does the donkey work.
I'm all for resting him on his loooooong stretches of poor form mind you.
[/quote]

Really? I mean, really?

One good game (upfront) in about 2 months and you're hailing him the 3rd best RW in the world? Or am I reading that wrong?

That seems very fickle. LTW is right, whether you think he has a Yossi-bias or not (surmising his post solely on the 90% stat is just being a pedant). Most of Kuyt's have been scored as a forward, so he judged there. Using goals scored upfront as a measuring stick to what he contributes on the right doesn't tell us anything.

As for the whole "when in form thing".. his form is good patches.. where his touch is still sh*te and he can never retain possession or beat a man, but he pops up with the odd poacher's finish. His class is the other 70% of games when he's doing all the same things but isn't scoring.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=Asim link=topic=38579.msg1040837#msg1040837 date=1264159385]
His stats are completely off, but he makes a good point and the beating of the drum should continue.
[/quote]

If your "stats are completely off" then the point made in relation to those stats is null and void.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38579.msg1040839#msg1040839 date=1264159576]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38579.msg1040831#msg1040831 date=1264158706]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38579.msg1040827#msg1040827 date=1264158352]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38579.msg1040824#msg1040824 date=1264157986]
You bang the 'where he gets his goals from' drum too often Wiz.
Dirk has played shit of late, everyone bar Ryan can see that, but denigrating his goal return is IMHO a bit ott.
He's a forward and plays either wide right or up front. From where he nets 15 goals a season. I don't know who you are trying to suggest he shouldn't play out right too?
I have a massive issue with playing a player week in week out who is off form, and for that reason I would have rested hi
long ago, but regardless of the fact he plays as part of a front 3 and gets 15 goals a season. What's to complain about?
[/quote]

I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic. If not, then it's a problem as it's another position where we get little (to no) goal production (LW, DCM, DCM etc)

He shouldn't be on the right Andy - he's not good enough to be playing 30-40 games out there. If we're praising his goal return, then we should also praise it for what it's worth (ie most of them where he SHOULD be playing).

Why should I complain? see the bolded above. I don't blame him for this btw - it's not his fault Rafa a) refuses to rest/bench him when he's off form and b) that he's not played up front.
[/quote]I disagree wholeheartedly. When on form he is as good a right sided forward as you will find.
In the tail end of last season he ONLY played wide right and scored loads of goals (I know, he was my ff captain) I think you're only seeing what you want to see. If kuyt is on form there are only 2 players in the world I'd replace him with out there. He gets goals AND does the donkey work.
I'm all for resting him on his loooooong stretches of poor form mind you.
[/quote]

Really? I mean, really?

One good game (upfront) in about 2 months and you're hailing him the 3rd best RW in the world? Or am I reading that wrong?

That seems very fickle. LTW is right, whether you think he has a Yossi-bias or not (surmising his post solely on the 90% stat is just being a pedant). Most of Kuyt's have been scored as a forward, so he judged there. Using goals scored upfront as a measuring stick to what he contributes on the right doesn't tell us anything.

As for the whole "when in form thing".. his form is good patches.. where his touch is still sh*te and he can never retain possession or beat a man, but he pops up with the odd poacher's finish. His class is the other 70% of games when he's doing all the same things but isn't scoring.
[/quote]Its got nothing to do with his ONE good game vs Spurs, where in fact I didn't think he was all that good. And everything to do with the fact that for the past 3 seasons no other right forward in world football bar messi and the blag ronaldo has scored more goals or contributed more to his team than Dirk Kuyt.
We have this debate once a year and it's the same thing every year, he goes through a slump and is suddenly shite, then you tally up at the end of the year and he's bagged 15 goals and 6 or 7 assists.
I really cant be arsed doing this every single time he doesn't play well for a period of time. I would drop him as I would anyone not playing well, but the continued insistance that he can't play right of a three is just eye gougingly annoying. And no one says it when he's winning games out there

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Have we got a breakdown of Dirks 7 goals?

regards

 

[Atlas]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38579.msg1040840#msg1040840 date=1264159640]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38579.msg1040837#msg1040837 date=1264159385]
His stats are completely off, but he makes a good point and the beating of the drum should continue.
[/quote]

If your "stats are completely off" then the point made in relation to those stats is null and void.
[/quote]

No, he needs to adjust the stats a little bit and the point is accepted.

Kuyt is not a RW, he doesnt provide decent crosses, his passing at times is fucking woeful, he hardly scores from there but he works hard though, when he has played up front he scores goals and is a nuisance for the defenders (while working hard, misses sitters and not passing well).

Kuyt is a square peg going into the round hole at RW, up fron the isn't. When on form he can do a job there but really we need better than that out there.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38579.msg1040853#msg1040853 date=1264160786]
Have we got a breakdown of Dirks 7 goals?

regards
[/quote]

Pen vs Spurs - doesn't matter would have scored that anywhere on pitch. IRRELEVANT OF STARTING POSITION.
1st goal vs Spurs - tee'd up by Aquilani. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs Arsenal - steered home a loose ball from a freekick. IRRELEVANT OF STARTING POSITION.
goal vs Everton - pounced on a keeper spillage, after being moved upfront. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs West Ham - bundled the ball over the line after a Gerrard header from was goalbound. IRRELEVANT OF STARTING POSITION.
goal vs Debrecen - another poacher's finish. Pouncing on a keeper's spillage from a Torres shot. Partner Fernando upfront for this game. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs Burnley - slotting home a loose ball from a Yossi shot. Started on the right wing interchanging with Yossi this game and was in the forward position when he scored. But i'll give him this one. Goal scored as a WINGER.
goal vs Stoke - great work from Gerrard on the right, who crosses home for Dirk to tap in from a few yards. Goal scored as FORWARD.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38579.msg1040871#msg1040871 date=1264161880]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38579.msg1040853#msg1040853 date=1264160786]
Have we got a breakdown of Dirks 7 goals?

regards
[/quote]

Pen vs Spurs - doesn't matter would have scored that anywhere on pitch. IRRELEVANT.
1st goal vs Spurs - tee'd up by Aquilani. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs Arsenal - steered home a loose ball from a freekick. IRRELEVANT.
goal vs Everton - pounced on a keeper spillage, after being moved upfront. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs West Ham - bundled the ball over the line after a Gerrard header from was goalbound. IRRELEVANT.
goal vs Debrecen - another poacher's finish. Pouncing on a keeper's spillage from a Torres shot. Partner Fernando upfront for this game. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs Burnley - slotting home a loose ball from a Yossi shot. Started on the right wing interchanging with Yossi this game and was in the forward position when he scored. But i'll give him this one. Goal scored as a WINGER.
goal vs Stoke - great work from Gerrard on the right, who crosses home for Dirk to tap in from a few yards. Goal scored as FORWARD.


[/quote]

You're fucking irrelevant

 

[LeTallecWiz]

When on form he is as good a right sided forward as you will find.

You're exaggerating to make the point, but yes, when on form, he's a very good player who contributes a lot to our success.

In the tail end of last season he ONLY played wide right and scored loads of goals

Most of his goals last year (I think it was 8-9 of the 16) were while playing UP FRONT. I know you say "you see what you want to see" but check it out, then tell me who's seeing what he wants to see.

If kuyt is on form there are only 2 players in the world I'd replace him with out there.

Just curious, who?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38579.msg1040832#msg1040832 date=1264158892]
So he plays 90% of his games out wide. You claim that he scores all his goals when played up front. So that would mean he scores 10-15 goals a season in only 10% of the total games he plays.

And you wonder why people think you shouldn't post about Dirk Kuyt?

To your credit, you have managed to not mention anyone Jewish yet.
[/quote]

I didn't say he scores 'all his goals when played up front' - Nice try though. But nice try though Brendan.

To your credit, you bought up the Yossi issue again. To be honest, it's a pathetic attempt on your part to try and 'get a rise' from me. Well done, you failed again. Man I miss the Brendan who actually contributed to the football forum - you once were actually one of the forum's best posters.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=38579.msg1040835#msg1040835 date=1264159216]
Shit!!! I never thought of it like that! Wizzy has unwittingly answered all our problems. Play deadly up front for an anticipated goal return of 125 per season
[/quote]

HA HA HA HA HA brilliant!

 

[Atlas]

I don't think it is irrelevant where he was playing at the time, they are good fox in the box type goals there also.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38579.msg1040839#msg1040839 date=1264159576]
One good game (upfront) in about 2 months and you're hailing him the 3rd best RW in the world? Or am I reading that wrong? [/quote]

You're reading it wrong. Oncey thinks, when on form, Kuyt is one of the best RWs in the world. He advocates him being dropped when he's shit (and he's said this countless of times). I think that's fair - I don't agree with the 'best in the world bit' (he's very good but not that good) but otherwise, I concur.

 

[Mike Hunt]

Jesus Ibro, when you put it like that, I wonder why Fergie played Ronaldo on the right as he scored more "striker" goals than "winger" goals.

 

[manwithnoname]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38579.msg1040883#msg1040883 date=1264162254]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38579.msg1040832#msg1040832 date=1264158892]
So he plays 90% of his games out wide. You claim that he scores all his goals when played up front. So that would mean he scores 10-15 goals a season in only 10% of the total games he plays.

And you wonder why people think you shouldn't post about Dirk Kuyt?

To your credit, you have managed to not mention anyone Jewish yet.
[/quote]

I didn't say he scores 'all his goals when played up front' - Nice try though. But nice try though Brendan.

To your credit, you bought up the Yossi issue again. To be honest, it's a pathetic attempt on your part to try and 'get a rise' from me. Well done, you failed again. Man I miss the Brendan who actually contributed to the football forum - you once were actually one of the forum's best posters.


[/quote]

"I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic"

So here's what you said.

He plays 90% of his games out wide. Implication (made umpteen times in several thraeds) that he only scores goals when playing up front.

Basic maths = 10% of his games are played up front. Where he manages to score around 10-15 goals a season. In 10% of his games.

Conclusion: you're making shit up, are rubbish at maths, or are talking shite.

Or all three.

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=Mike Hunt link=topic=38579.msg1040891#msg1040891 date=1264162539]
Jesus Ibro, when you put it like that, I wonder why Fergie played Ronaldo on the right as he scored more "striker" goals than "winger" goals.
[/quote]

Look at Ronaldo's goals compilation videos. Tap ins, headers, long range, freekicks, penalties. The boy scored from everywhere. A magnificient player wherever you play him.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38579.msg1040895#msg1040895 date=1264162626]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38579.msg1040883#msg1040883 date=1264162254]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38579.msg1040832#msg1040832 date=1264158892]
So he plays 90% of his games out wide. You claim that he scores all his goals when played up front. So that would mean he scores 10-15 goals a season in only 10% of the total games he plays.

And you wonder why people think you shouldn't post about Dirk Kuyt?

To your credit, you have managed to not mention anyone Jewish yet.
[/quote]

I didn't say he scores 'all his goals when played up front' - Nice try though. But nice try though Brendan.

To your credit, you bought up the Yossi issue again. To be honest, it's a pathetic attempt on your part to try and 'get a rise' from me. Well done, you failed again. Man I miss the Brendan who actually contributed to the football forum - you once were actually one of the forum's best posters.


[/quote]

"I bang on that drum b/c he plays 90% of his games at RW - so if his goals come from there, then fantastic"

So here's what you said.

He plays 90% of his games out wide. Implication (made umpteen times in several thraeds) that he only scores goals when playing up front.

Basic maths = 10% of his games are played up front. Where he manages to score around 10-15 goals a season. In 10% of his games.

Conclusion: you're making shit up, are rubbish at maths, or are talking shite.

Or all three.


[/quote]

Dear Brendan,

1) I said 90% as an exaggeration of the fact we play most of the season 4-2-3-1 (69.5%) and Kuyt will almost always start as the RW unless a) Torres is healthy b) Ngog is preferred (shouldn't happen but it's Rafa).

2) I didn't say he scores ALL his goals from the STRIKER SPOT. I said most - most is not 100%.

No matter what I write, you judge my 'Kuyt' posts like you judge newbies, or Rebel, or any person you like to bother due to superior intelligence, ability to often time make funny jokes or boredom (or all three). So what's the point?

Sincerely,
LTW

 

[Friend no. 2]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38579.msg1040871#msg1040871 date=1264161880]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=38579.msg1040853#msg1040853 date=1264160786]
Have we got a breakdown of Dirks 7 goals?

regards
[/quote]

Pen vs Spurs - doesn't matter would have scored that anywhere on pitch. IRRELEVANT.
1st goal vs Spurs - tee'd up by Aquilani. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs Arsenal - steered home a loose ball from a freekick. IRRELEVANT.
goal vs Everton - pounced on a keeper spillage, after being moved upfront. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs West Ham - bundled the ball over the line after a Gerrard header from was goalbound. IRRELEVANT.
goal vs Debrecen - another poacher's finish. Pouncing on a keeper's spillage from a Torres shot. Partner Fernando upfront for this game. Scored as a FORWARD.
goal vs Burnley - slotting home a loose ball from a Yossi shot. Started on the right wing interchanging with Yossi this game and was in the forward position when he scored. But i'll give him this one. Goal scored as a WINGER.
goal vs Stoke - great work from Gerrard on the right, who crosses home for Dirk to tap in from a few yards. Goal scored as FORWARD.


[/quote]

Dirk played RW against Stoke..

 

[ibromurph]

[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38579.msg1040890#msg1040890 date=1264162492]
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38579.msg1040839#msg1040839 date=1264159576]
One good game (upfront) in about 2 months and you're hailing him the 3rd best RW in the world? Or am I reading that wrong? [/quote]

You're reading it wrong. Oncey thinks, when on form, Kuyt is one of the best RWs in the world. He advocates him being dropped when he's shit (and he's said this countless of times). I think that's fair - I don't agree with the 'best in the world bit' (he's very good but not that good) but otherwise, I concur.
[/quote]

Fair enough, if that's what Oncey thinks. I disagree anyway. On the right wing, form or no form, he's an average, hardworking wide player with the touch of a donkey (see the Reading games).

Up front, he's an 'good', hardworking forward player with the touch of a donkey, but scores goals.. form or no form.

In conclusion, he wouldn't get close to the top 10 in the world when it comes to wide players. As a forward, he gets goals, there's no denying that. Still not good enough to be a regular starter, but I can certainly see his value there and with a partner he's a very good poacher (so long as the finish doesn't require any technique).

 

[Mike Hunt]

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Jesus Ibro, when you put it like that, I wonder why Fergie played Ronaldo on the right as he scored more "striker" goals than "winger" goals.
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Look at Ronaldo's goals compilation videos. Tap ins, headers, long range, freekicks, penalties. The boy scored from everywhere. A magnificient player wherever you play him.
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I agree with your last sentence.

Half of those goals, you would count them as irrelevant to his wing position though.

So to clarify, if Ronaldo started the game on the wing, but one counter attack, Rooney goes wide to cross to Ronaldo to finish in the box, would you count that as a 'striker' goal or a 'winger' goal?