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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=14248.msg326651#msg326651 date=1185791072]
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=14248.msg326644#msg326644 date=1185790693]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=14248.msg326624#msg326624 date=1185789952]
I think someone has said this before. Kuyts main problem was him constantly dropping off the front line to come deep or wide. To become a out and out goal scorer you have to be in the box constantly. Perhaps with a better team around him he can be now afforded the time and space to get into the right postion.
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As I said before, a striker with a bad first touch is useless in the box. And you are wrong about criticizing his positioning, it is by no means Kuyt's main problem, actually it's his biggest strength.
Look at our second goal against Barca, that pretty much sums up Kuyt's play last season. Great positioning and reading of the game to lose the defender, then a horrible first touch in a situation where a quality striker MUST score, but doesn't give up and and scraps out the chance for his teammates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akcqp7l97v4
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I am not sure that should be interpreted as criticism of his positional sense, I interpreted it as the way we were playing , and he had to come deep or wide looking for the ball.
regards
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OK. But IMHO "coming deep and looking for the ball" is the strongest part of his game. That's what I've been saying since day one. Kuyt's positioning, movement and work-rate are world-class. His first touch isn't. Why people want to lock him inside the box is beyond my understanding. Unless they are just trying to blame Kuyt's problems on Rafa, as they usually do with players they like (see: Gerrard on the right).
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=14248.msg326624#msg326624 date=1185789952]
I think someone has said this before. Kuyts main problem was him constantly dropping off the front line to come deep or wide. To become a out and out goal scorer you have to be in the box constantly. Perhaps with a better team around him he can be now afforded the time and space to get into the right postion.
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As I said before, a striker with a bad first touch is useless in the box. And you are wrong about criticizing his positioning, it is by no means Kuyt's main problem, actually it's his biggest strength.
Look at our second goal against Barca, that pretty much sums up Kuyt's play last season. Great positioning and reading of the game to lose the defender, then a horrible first touch in a situation where a quality striker MUST score, but doesn't give up and and scraps out the chance for his teammates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akcqp7l97v4
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I am not sure that should be interpreted as criticism of his positional sense, I interpreted it as the way we were playing , and he had to come deep or wide looking for the ball.
regards
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OK. But IMHO "coming deep and looking for the ball" is the strongest part of his game. That's what I've been saying since day one. Kuyt's positioning, movement and work-rate are world-class. His first touch isn't. Why people want to lock him inside the box is beyond my understanding. Unless they are just trying to blame Kuyt's problems on Rafa, as they usually do with players they like (see: Gerrard on the right).
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326675#msg326675 date=1185792754]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326666#msg326666 date=1185792214]Jeeezzesss, I said he's one of the best stikers in the world, in his role. But if you compare his role against Kuyts he doesn't have to do all the hard work Kuyt does. His main focus is to score goals, Kuyt is the first defender, link man, he plays much deeper.
If Kuyt was given RVN freedom, he would have scored a lot more goals. Thats what I ment.
RVN is one of the best finishers in the game, thats obvious. I ment luxury in TEAM ROLE. TACTICS.
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I just don't really buy all this sort of stuff.
So Kuyt can't finish because he's shackled by tactics? I doubt it. It's because he isn't a great finisher.
And any tactics that see goalscorers as a luxury are too "clever" for their own good.
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Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326666#msg326666 date=1185792214]Jeeezzesss, I said he's one of the best stikers in the world, in his role. But if you compare his role against Kuyts he doesn't have to do all the hard work Kuyt does. His main focus is to score goals, Kuyt is the first defender, link man, he plays much deeper.
If Kuyt was given RVN freedom, he would have scored a lot more goals. Thats what I ment.
RVN is one of the best finishers in the game, thats obvious. I ment luxury in TEAM ROLE. TACTICS.
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I just don't really buy all this sort of stuff.
So Kuyt can't finish because he's shackled by tactics? I doubt it. It's because he isn't a great finisher.
And any tactics that see goalscorers as a luxury are too "clever" for their own good.
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Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326685#msg326685 date=1185793213]Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? [/quote]
I didn't say he can't, I said he isn't good ENOUGH at it for us.
And I don't care about his stats in Holland - you should be able to see from the way the player takes their shots how good a finisher they are. And he's just not a top class finisher.
I didn't say he can't, I said he isn't good ENOUGH at it for us.
And I don't care about his stats in Holland - you should be able to see from the way the player takes their shots how good a finisher they are. And he's just not a top class finisher.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326682#msg326682 date=1185793140]
I'd like to see Torres in the hole - he's got the best natural quality for that role, and I'd stick Babel on the shoulder of the defender.
I reckon he's got enough skill and pace to make the most of it.
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How do you know Babel will be a natural finisher?
I'd like to see Torres in the hole - he's got the best natural quality for that role, and I'd stick Babel on the shoulder of the defender.
I reckon he's got enough skill and pace to make the most of it.
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How do you know Babel will be a natural finisher?
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326682#msg326682 date=1185793140]
I'd like to see Torres in the hole - he's got the best natural quality for that role, and I'd stick Babel on the shoulder of the defender.
I reckon he's got enough skill and pace to make the most of it.
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This is what I find slightly confusing. Babel scored something like 5 goals in 27 appearances last season in the same league you consider Kuyt to have been flattered by. There's absolutely no reason to suggest that Babel will hit the ground running in the Premiership.
How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
I'd like to see Torres in the hole - he's got the best natural quality for that role, and I'd stick Babel on the shoulder of the defender.
I reckon he's got enough skill and pace to make the most of it.
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This is what I find slightly confusing. Babel scored something like 5 goals in 27 appearances last season in the same league you consider Kuyt to have been flattered by. There's absolutely no reason to suggest that Babel will hit the ground running in the Premiership.
How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326685#msg326685 date=1185793213]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326675#msg326675 date=1185792754]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326666#msg326666 date=1185792214]Jeeezzesss, I said he's one of the best stikers in the world, in his role. But if you compare his role against Kuyts he doesn't have to do all the hard work Kuyt does. His main focus is to score goals, Kuyt is the first defender, link man, he plays much deeper.
If Kuyt was given RVN freedom, he would have scored a lot more goals. Thats what I ment.
RVN is one of the best finishers in the game, thats obvious. I ment luxury in TEAM ROLE. TACTICS.
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I just don't really buy all this sort of stuff.
So Kuyt can't finish because he's shackled by tactics? I doubt it. It's because he isn't a great finisher.
And any tactics that see goalscorers as a luxury are too "clever" for their own good.
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Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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Feyenoord are mo slouches in the league, they are one of the top 4 teams in the league
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326675#msg326675 date=1185792754]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326666#msg326666 date=1185792214]Jeeezzesss, I said he's one of the best stikers in the world, in his role. But if you compare his role against Kuyts he doesn't have to do all the hard work Kuyt does. His main focus is to score goals, Kuyt is the first defender, link man, he plays much deeper.
If Kuyt was given RVN freedom, he would have scored a lot more goals. Thats what I ment.
RVN is one of the best finishers in the game, thats obvious. I ment luxury in TEAM ROLE. TACTICS.
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I just don't really buy all this sort of stuff.
So Kuyt can't finish because he's shackled by tactics? I doubt it. It's because he isn't a great finisher.
And any tactics that see goalscorers as a luxury are too "clever" for their own good.
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Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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Feyenoord are mo slouches in the league, they are one of the top 4 teams in the league
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326685#msg326685 date=1185793213]
Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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There is something in what you say and I'm often bemused / annoyed by it, but at the end of the day, you know that the point you just made isn't a particularly valid one.
When you come to a harder league, particularly to a team like Liverpool, the stakes are raised. It's not just about finishing - other things come into play.
If it is as you suggest, we could just pluck any 'ol 20 a season striker from the French or Dutch league and say, "well, look at his record - he MUST be good for us".
Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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There is something in what you say and I'm often bemused / annoyed by it, but at the end of the day, you know that the point you just made isn't a particularly valid one.
When you come to a harder league, particularly to a team like Liverpool, the stakes are raised. It's not just about finishing - other things come into play.
If it is as you suggest, we could just pluck any 'ol 20 a season striker from the French or Dutch league and say, "well, look at his record - he MUST be good for us".
[quote author=HC link=topic=14248.msg326689#msg326689 date=1185793431]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326685#msg326685 date=1185793213]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326675#msg326675 date=1185792754]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326666#msg326666 date=1185792214]Jeeezzesss, I said he's one of the best stikers in the world, in his role. But if you compare his role against Kuyts he doesn't have to do all the hard work Kuyt does. His main focus is to score goals, Kuyt is the first defender, link man, he plays much deeper.
If Kuyt was given RVN freedom, he would have scored a lot more goals. Thats what I ment.
RVN is one of the best finishers in the game, thats obvious. I ment luxury in TEAM ROLE. TACTICS.
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I just don't really buy all this sort of stuff.
So Kuyt can't finish because he's shackled by tactics? I doubt it. It's because he isn't a great finisher.
And any tactics that see goalscorers as a luxury are too "clever" for their own good.
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Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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Feyenoord are mo slouches in the league, they are one of the top 4 teams in the league
True, but playing for PSV or Ajax is another story when it comes to quality... Better teams, more chances etc
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326685#msg326685 date=1185793213]
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326675#msg326675 date=1185792754]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326666#msg326666 date=1185792214]Jeeezzesss, I said he's one of the best stikers in the world, in his role. But if you compare his role against Kuyts he doesn't have to do all the hard work Kuyt does. His main focus is to score goals, Kuyt is the first defender, link man, he plays much deeper.
If Kuyt was given RVN freedom, he would have scored a lot more goals. Thats what I ment.
RVN is one of the best finishers in the game, thats obvious. I ment luxury in TEAM ROLE. TACTICS.
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I just don't really buy all this sort of stuff.
So Kuyt can't finish because he's shackled by tactics? I doubt it. It's because he isn't a great finisher.
And any tactics that see goalscorers as a luxury are too "clever" for their own good.
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Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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Feyenoord are mo slouches in the league, they are one of the top 4 teams in the league
True, but playing for PSV or Ajax is another story when it comes to quality... Better teams, more chances etc
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I think Kuyt will score quite a few more goals this season, and could end up with 20 in all comps. Maybe even 25.
This isn't really based on much more than blind hope, as I didn't see him play that often when he was playing in Eriedivisie. In fact, probably never.
I just think that he'll do much better with a season under his belt, and the increased attacking options he should have.
I don't think I agree with all of the abuse he's getting about being essentially "a bit rubbish"
This isn't really based on much more than blind hope, as I didn't see him play that often when he was playing in Eriedivisie. In fact, probably never.
I just think that he'll do much better with a season under his belt, and the increased attacking options he should have.
I don't think I agree with all of the abuse he's getting about being essentially "a bit rubbish"
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=14248.msg326695#msg326695 date=1185793579]
I think Kuyt will score quite a few more goals this season, and could end up with 20 in all comps. Maybe even 25.
This isn't really based on much more than blind hope, as I didn't see him play that often when he was playing in Eriedivisie. In fact, probably never.
I just think that he'll do much better with a season under his belt, and the increased attacking options he should have.
I don't think I agree with all of the abuse he's getting about being essentially "a bit rubbish"
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I like your honesty.
I think Kuyt will score quite a few more goals this season, and could end up with 20 in all comps. Maybe even 25.
This isn't really based on much more than blind hope, as I didn't see him play that often when he was playing in Eriedivisie. In fact, probably never.
I just think that he'll do much better with a season under his belt, and the increased attacking options he should have.
I don't think I agree with all of the abuse he's getting about being essentially "a bit rubbish"
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I like your honesty.
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326685#msg326685 date=1185793213]
Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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There is something in what you say and I'm often bemused / annoyed by it, but at the end of the day, you know that the point you just made isn't a particularly valid one.
When you come to a harder league, particularly to a team like Liverpool, the stakes are raised. It's not just about finishing - other things come into play.
If it is as you suggest, we could just pluck any 'ol 20 a season striker from the French or Dutch league and say, "well, look at his record - he MUST be good for us".
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If you set up a list of what boxes you need to check before getting a striker to Liverpool, I think Kuyt will check out nearly every one. I can easily see your point Keni. A odd stiker getting 20 goals doesn't warrant being signed by us.
Morale, attitude, adapting ability, the ability to handle the pressure at a big club, ambition, fitting in with the squad and tactics. These are what criterias I would check. When you have these qualites and have a "proven" goalscoring record aswell, it warrants being signed by Liverpool.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326685#msg326685 date=1185793213]
Thats the thing, how can you score 70 goals in 101 matches, averaging a 0,7 rate, which is sublime, if you can't finish? He must be excepional in getting "hit" by the ball. I know the Dutch league isn't that good, but you still have to put the ball in the net. Kuyt didn't play for one of the best teams either, which makes it even better.
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There is something in what you say and I'm often bemused / annoyed by it, but at the end of the day, you know that the point you just made isn't a particularly valid one.
When you come to a harder league, particularly to a team like Liverpool, the stakes are raised. It's not just about finishing - other things come into play.
If it is as you suggest, we could just pluck any 'ol 20 a season striker from the French or Dutch league and say, "well, look at his record - he MUST be good for us".
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If you set up a list of what boxes you need to check before getting a striker to Liverpool, I think Kuyt will check out nearly every one. I can easily see your point Keni. A odd stiker getting 20 goals doesn't warrant being signed by us.
Morale, attitude, adapting ability, the ability to handle the pressure at a big club, ambition, fitting in with the squad and tactics. These are what criterias I would check. When you have these qualites and have a "proven" goalscoring record aswell, it warrants being signed by Liverpool.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326697#msg326697 date=1185793686]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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I actually don't think Torres has a "suitable role" as of yet. That's the thing about him, he is very all-around and he can do pretty much everything and at this point nobody, including Rafa, really knows what "role" he will end up with. You know what you are getting with Crouch or with Voronin, you almost know what you will get with Kuyt (that's what we are debating right here), but for Torres all possibilities are still open. That's why it's going to be so exciting to follow his development this season.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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I actually don't think Torres has a "suitable role" as of yet. That's the thing about him, he is very all-around and he can do pretty much everything and at this point nobody, including Rafa, really knows what "role" he will end up with. You know what you are getting with Crouch or with Voronin, you almost know what you will get with Kuyt (that's what we are debating right here), but for Torres all possibilities are still open. That's why it's going to be so exciting to follow his development this season.
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[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326697#msg326697 date=1185793686]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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Clueless cunt.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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Clueless cunt.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326697#msg326697 date=1185793686]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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I agree about Torres but I think you may be brought crashing back down to earth as far as Babel is concerned. He's got a way to go before he's pulling up trees on this side of the channel. I'm not expecting a great deal from him this season at all. The odd flash of brilliance maybe, but I'd be very surprised if he makes the kind of impact some seem to expect from him. If Torres plays in the hole then it means that Kuyt, if selected, would be afforded the luxury of playing higher up the pitch. A role he played very effectively for Feyenoord. I think he'd be far more suited to it than Babel, in fact.
I understand your frustration with regards to Kuyt but I actually think that considering he wasn't being played to his strengths last season, he did reasonably well, particularly for a first season. I'd just like to see him played in the role he made his name in before he's consigned to the scrapheap.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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I agree about Torres but I think you may be brought crashing back down to earth as far as Babel is concerned. He's got a way to go before he's pulling up trees on this side of the channel. I'm not expecting a great deal from him this season at all. The odd flash of brilliance maybe, but I'd be very surprised if he makes the kind of impact some seem to expect from him. If Torres plays in the hole then it means that Kuyt, if selected, would be afforded the luxury of playing higher up the pitch. A role he played very effectively for Feyenoord. I think he'd be far more suited to it than Babel, in fact.
I understand your frustration with regards to Kuyt but I actually think that considering he wasn't being played to his strengths last season, he did reasonably well, particularly for a first season. I'd just like to see him played in the role he made his name in before he's consigned to the scrapheap.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326697#msg326697 date=1185793686]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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Well maybe if Torres plays in the hole , Dirk will grab more goals. But then you've got the bedding in period for Torres then as a problem. People expect instant hits with some players and that doesn't always happen unfortunately.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326688#msg326688 date=1185793421]How much have you seen of him? Honestly? He's still VERY raw.
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Not that much and I can tell he's raw.
I'm frustrated with Kuyt fcuking up chances, though.
(And I reckon Torres would be very good in the hole for us. He'd set up more chances than anyone. I reckon at a club like ours he could prove himself world class if he's played in a role that suits him.)
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Well maybe if Torres plays in the hole , Dirk will grab more goals. But then you've got the bedding in period for Torres then as a problem. People expect instant hits with some players and that doesn't always happen unfortunately.
[quote author=Blackie Gray link=topic=14248.msg326719#msg326719 date=1185794790]Clueless cunt.
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I don't know where you get the energy to be so consistently pointless.
Surely if you actually looked at what you were wasting your time doing, you'd realise that you're so useless and unfunny, that you might as well hang yourself.
HEY! Why not, eh? You're clearly only good for one thing.
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I don't know where you get the energy to be so consistently pointless.
Surely if you actually looked at what you were wasting your time doing, you'd realise that you're so useless and unfunny, that you might as well hang yourself.
HEY! Why not, eh? You're clearly only good for one thing.
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326730#msg326730 date=1185795024]
[quote author=Blackie Gray link=topic=14248.msg326719#msg326719 date=1185794790]Clueless cunt.
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I don't know where you get the energy to be so consistently pointless.
Surely if you actually looked at what you were wasting your time doing, you'd realise that you're so useless and unfunny, that you might as well hang yourself.
HEY! Why not, eh? You're clearly only good for one thing.
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Bellend!
Cunt!
OOTer!
Err... Clueless!
[quote author=Blackie Gray link=topic=14248.msg326719#msg326719 date=1185794790]Clueless cunt.
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I don't know where you get the energy to be so consistently pointless.
Surely if you actually looked at what you were wasting your time doing, you'd realise that you're so useless and unfunny, that you might as well hang yourself.
HEY! Why not, eh? You're clearly only good for one thing.
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Bellend!
Cunt!
OOTer!
Err... Clueless!
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=14248.msg326704#msg326704 date=1185794152]Morale, attitude, adapting ability, the ability to handle the pressure at a big club, ambition, fitting in with the squad and tactics. These are what criterias I would check. When you have these qualites and have a "proven" goalscoring record aswell, it warrants being signed by Liverpool.
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Many of those things cannot be judged until somebody takes a chance on them though. Kuyt has yet to prove that he can adapt and handle the pressure of a big club - I think that is part of the problem. Nor has he proved that he can fit in with tactics of the manager. For me, it's not a question of his ability, it's whether he can address these issues over this coming season.
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Many of those things cannot be judged until somebody takes a chance on them though. Kuyt has yet to prove that he can adapt and handle the pressure of a big club - I think that is part of the problem. Nor has he proved that he can fit in with tactics of the manager. For me, it's not a question of his ability, it's whether he can address these issues over this coming season.
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Many of those things cannot be judged until somebody takes a chance on them though. Kuyt has yet to prove that he can adapt and handle the pressure of a big club - I think that is part of the problem. Nor has he proved that he can fit in with tactics of the manager. For me, it's not a question of his ability, it's whether he can address these issues over this coming season.
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How do you work all this bollocks out, considering he finished as our highest league scorer, and could have had a lot more with better service.
Many of those things cannot be judged until somebody takes a chance on them though. Kuyt has yet to prove that he can adapt and handle the pressure of a big club - I think that is part of the problem. Nor has he proved that he can fit in with tactics of the manager. For me, it's not a question of his ability, it's whether he can address these issues over this coming season.
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How do you work all this bollocks out, considering he finished as our highest league scorer, and could have had a lot more with better service.
[quote author=Blackie Gray link=topic=14248.msg326739#msg326739 date=1185795387]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326736#msg326736 date=1185795241]
Many of those things cannot be judged until somebody takes a chance on them though. Kuyt has yet to prove that he can adapt and handle the pressure of a big club - I think that is part of the problem. Nor has he proved that he can fit in with tactics of the manager. For me, it's not a question of his ability, it's whether he can address these issues over this coming season.
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How do you work all this bollocks out, considering he finished as our highest league scorer, and could have had a lot more with better service.
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Perhaps if you'd read any of the rest of the thread you'd see that I'm one of Kuyt's staunch defenders. But that doesn't make me blind to the fact that he needs to do better if he's gonna stay here. Such is the reality of playing for a top club.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=14248.msg326736#msg326736 date=1185795241]
Many of those things cannot be judged until somebody takes a chance on them though. Kuyt has yet to prove that he can adapt and handle the pressure of a big club - I think that is part of the problem. Nor has he proved that he can fit in with tactics of the manager. For me, it's not a question of his ability, it's whether he can address these issues over this coming season.
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How do you work all this bollocks out, considering he finished as our highest league scorer, and could have had a lot more with better service.
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Perhaps if you'd read any of the rest of the thread you'd see that I'm one of Kuyt's staunch defenders. But that doesn't make me blind to the fact that he needs to do better if he's gonna stay here. Such is the reality of playing for a top club.
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There's a lot of negative energy and aggression towards each other on here today.
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It's Monday, and there's a cunt in our midst.
There's a lot of negative energy and aggression towards each other on here today.
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It's Monday, and there's a cunt in our midst.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=14248.msg326743#msg326743 date=1185795578]
There's a lot of negative energy and aggression towards each other on here today.
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http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=14188.msg325573#msg325573
There's a lot of negative energy and aggression towards each other on here today.
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http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=14188.msg325573#msg325573
[quote author=robinhood link=topic=14248.msg326730#msg326730 date=1185795024]
[quote author=Blackie Gray link=topic=14248.msg326719#msg326719 date=1185794790]Clueless cunt.
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I don't know where you get the energy to be so consistently pointless.
Surely if you actually looked at what you were wasting your time doing, you'd realise that you're so useless and unfunny, that you might as well hang yourself.
HEY! Why not, eh? You're clearly only good for one thing.
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Whilst you're right about his 'contribution', berating Blackie Gray isn't really fair since anyone who vehemently disagrees with you (ala rebel23 et. al.) eventually gets the same label.
And Blackie, robin isn't clueless.
If you had watched Kuyt's gameplay for the whole season you'd know that there were worrying aspects to his game.The difference is that some posters have already made up their mind about Kuyt and some haven't.
[quote author=Blackie Gray link=topic=14248.msg326719#msg326719 date=1185794790]Clueless cunt.
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I don't know where you get the energy to be so consistently pointless.
Surely if you actually looked at what you were wasting your time doing, you'd realise that you're so useless and unfunny, that you might as well hang yourself.
HEY! Why not, eh? You're clearly only good for one thing.
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Whilst you're right about his 'contribution', berating Blackie Gray isn't really fair since anyone who vehemently disagrees with you (ala rebel23 et. al.) eventually gets the same label.
And Blackie, robin isn't clueless.
If you had watched Kuyt's gameplay for the whole season you'd know that there were worrying aspects to his game.The difference is that some posters have already made up their mind about Kuyt and some haven't.
Yes it is, he's a bell-end.
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