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Thoughts so far?

I think he's been quietly pretty good. He can struggle up against pace at times as he showed Sunday past, but he sorted himself out and was solid thereafter. His most impressive game was arguably vs City on NYE...got booked early on and genuinely feared he'd get sent off but he was brilliant and showed a cool head to avoid a second yellow.

Don't get me wrong I probs wouldn't want him staring regularly but for someone who cost only few mill and won't kick up a fuss with being a squad man...he's a very useful player to have around.
 
I was excited when we bought him and thought he could be an improved version of Toure when we got him.

I've been disappointed for the most part sadly. He doesn't look nearly reliable enough to get anywhere near the 1st team even on a semi regular basis.

Our back 5 Clyne aside needs a lot of work in its current state
 
Not good enough to play for Liverpool

Our defence and goalkeeping situation has been in need of vast improvement for years, and signing mediocre defenders like Klavan isn't helping.

We need a new keeper, LB and at *least* one genuinely super CB
 
Not good enough to play for Liverpool

Our defence and goalkeeping situation has been in need of vast improvement for years, and signing mediocre defenders like Klavan isn't helping.

We need a new keeper, LB and at *least* one genuinely super CB

Yep and arguably 2 CB's
 
He's not good enough. If we're prepared to accept players of his calibre then we must also be accepting of top half finishes. None of this is surprising given he cost less than £5m after a completely unremarkable career prior to joining. Lucas playing over him at CB was a particularly depressing insight into his quality. He will produce some decent games, some average games and some complete horror shows.
 
He's done the job as a back up player. Some very good matches (City and Everton) and some poor. What more can you expect for 4 mill £ and probably relatively low wages.
Can be kept on as the 4th choice CB but we need a top quality defender this summer to form a long term partnership with Matip.
 
Name one better 4th choice CB at ANY club in the PL ? He's done remarkably well most of the time when required to stand in. For what he cost I'm quite happy having him as emergency cover when we are a couple of CBs down. A high quality CB to partner Matip please.
 
Name one better 4th choice CB at ANY club in the PL ? He's done remarkably well most of the time when required to stand in. For what he cost I'm quite happy having him as emergency cover when we are a couple of CBs down. A high quality CB to partner Matip please.

I'd argue that he's 3rd choice.

The hierarchy is pretty much this

  1. Matip
  2. Lovren
  3. Klavan
  4. Lucas
  5. Gomez

* That is a sad state of affairs when it comes to centre back options
 
He's done the job as a back up player. Some very good matches (City and Everton) and some poor. What more can you expect for 4 mill £ and probably relatively low wages.
Can be kept on as the 4th choice CB but we need a top quality defender this summer to form a long term partnership with Matip.

I worry about Matip's injury record though. Can we really rely on someone like that?

I do think our defenders look worse than they are sometimes with the way we play leaving them exposed. Individally they're all good players. Look at Chelsea...Cahill is a decent centre half but nothing more...but he has Kante and Matip protecting him. Doesn't half make a difference.
 
I worry about Matip's injury record though. Can we really rely on someone like that?

I do think our defenders look worse than they are sometimes with the way we play leaving them exposed. Individally they're all good players. Look at Chelsea...Cahill is a decent centre half but nothing more...but he has Kante and Matip protecting him. Doesn't half make a difference.

Think he's been a bit unlucky with injuries here so far. He also missed a few games with the whole Cameroon stuff. His injury record from the Bundesliga doesn't suggest that it will be an issue. We need a proper partner for him though. Lovren isnt good enough long term and these little niggles and injuries are starting to happen all the time now.

Yeah, a Kante type player would improve our defense a lot.
 
From the Echo:

Ragnar Klavan admits his first season in England has been an education as he bids to ensure Liverpool pass their examination for a Champions League spot.

The experienced Estonian defender has clocked up 20 appearances for the Reds since his £4.2million move from Augsburg last summer.

Klavan, who has helped the Reds strengthen their grip on a top-four spot with back-to-back wins over Arsenal and Burnley, is hoping to hold off competition from Dejan Lovren and retain his place alongside Joel Matip for Sunday’s trip to Manchester City.

The 31-year-old believes Jurgen Klopp’s side have got what it takes to kick on during the run-in and seal the club’s return to Europe’s elite.

“Liverpool is such a big club and has so much history that everybody thinks we should be playing in Europe every year,” Klavan said.

“That’s what we want, to be at a consistent level where we play in Europe every season.

“We had that consistency at the start of the season and although we have also had low points I still think we have a great chance to finish in the top four.

“The Champions League is the most prestigious competition. It is an opportunity to compare yourself against other European clubs and I believe it is the biggest measurement of where you stand in Europe.

“At Liverpool we are working every day to achieve that goal. Everybody here wants to be playing in the Champions League.”
Klavan was brought in to provide defensive cover by Klopp following spells in Estonia, Norway, Holland and Germany.

The defender admits life in the Premier League is very different to the Bundesliga. The defeat Liverpool suffered at Turf Moor back in August was an eye opener for him in terms of what the lesser lights are capable of in such a competitive environment. The Reds have since been tripped up by Bournemouth, Hull, Swansea and Leicester.

“It was a reality check for me,” he said. “I realised then how intense the Premier League is.

The Bundesliga is also intense and players have high fitness levels. But where as there you can anticipate tactics and how things might go, when a game gets going here it’s forwards, backwards, forwards, backwards, and anything can happen.


“It takes some time to get used to it but we also train in this way. Our training style is high in intensity and that has really helped.

“This is one of the things that makes the Premier League so special and the most watched league in the world. If we play against lower teams that are not doing so well this season we are expected to win, but these teams still have really good quality.

“If you look at the championship race in Germany then 90% of people would put their bets on Bayern Munich every year. In Spain you would put your money on Real Madrid or Barcelona but here the race is more open.

“There are five or six teams you could put your bets on in August and not know which one will win. That makes English football so attractive to watch and it also makes it difficult to be consistent in the Premier League.

“Chelsea have been clinical, consistent and won games, but nobody else has done that and it shows that in this league you have to be at your best every time to beat even the lower teams.”

Klavan has had to get to grips with opponents backing off and letting Liverpool dominate possession before looking to hit them on the counter.

“In Germany almost all of the teams want to play with the ball whereas here a lot of opponents want you to have the ball,” he told Liverpool’s official matchday programme.

“In most cases when Liverpool play we have a lot of ball possession so the difference for me is that I always have to be ready to play or receive the ball, but if we suddenly lose possession I am also the man responsible for dealing with a long ball in behind us on a counter-attack.

“You have to do two things together: be involved in possession but still have the striker you are marking in your reach because if we lose the ball then straightaway he can come in behind you.”

When the wheels came off the Reds’ campaign back in January a lack of leadership was cited as an area of weakness in Klopp’s squad. But Klavan, who captains his country, insists that wasn’t an issue.

“There are different ways to lead a team,” he said.

“Everybody talks to me about Steven Gerrard. He wasn’t the kind of person who was just on the field screaming and yelling at everybody. He had other qualities that could motivate a team. When he had something to say his words were spot on.

“It doesn’t make you the best captain simply because you are the loudest. There are many different styles and you must remember that it’s not just how you are on the field but how you are in the locker rooms that can make you a leader or a good captain.

“I’m not the loudest guy in the locker room or on the pitch. If I need to say something when it needs saying then I don’t yell. I prefer to tell people one on one what I think about a situation.”

Liverpool’s slump in January and February may have dashed hopes of silverware but Klavan insists his debut campaign with the Reds will still be memorable if they clinch a Champions League place.

“Yes of course. It is my first season representing this historical club,” Klavan added.

“Liverpool has won many trophies but not so many recently, so the way we started this season made expectations really high.

“We deserved to be where we were but it is a long season and you only know in May how well you’ve really done. The season is not a sprint, it’s a marathon, and you have highs and lows.”
 
Name one better 4th choice CB at ANY club in the PL ? He's done remarkably well most of the time when required to stand in. For what he cost I'm quite happy having him as emergency cover when we are a couple of CBs down. A high quality CB to partner Matip please.

Fourth choice CB?

Who's third choice?
 
a journeyman defender who has performed how you would expect from a 5 million signing. Some decent games and some shockers, not good enough long term. I kinda hoped we had stopped signing players as ‘cover’, as they invariably involved in 20 odd games a season.
 
Decent squad signing. Has had some good games and some not so good. I'd rather he was 4th choice behind Matip, Lovren and a top centre back, Matip picks up a few knocks and Lovren seems to miss a handful of games each year too. Maybe Klopp thinks Gomez will be a top CB in the long term.
 
Caulker, by the way, really seems to have zero ambition:

QPR are assessing their options for disciplining Steven Caulker following the defender’s latest misdemeanour.

Caulker, 25, has been arrested and charged with failing to provide a breath sample following an incident in Windsor in the early hours of Sunday morning.

His arrest is the fourth time that Caulker has been in trouble with the police, and comes less than a month after he was fined for throwing objects at passers-by and attempting to put a temporary barrier on someone’s head in an incident at Clapham Junction Station.

The former Tottenham defender pleaded guilty to being drunk and disorderly at Wimbledon Magistrates’ Court, and was fined £650 and ordered to pay £85 costs.

Caulker has previously been in trouble after he was arrested and fined for sweating in the street in in 2011 during his spell with Swansea City, and last month a magistrate made a point of his poor police record, to which he promised to clean up his act.

Magistrate Elizabeth Hopper said to Caulker: “It's the third time you have been in trouble for doing things out in the street you should not be doing.”

The incident is the latest in a bizarre series of events that has seen Caulker make headlines for all the wrong reasons. The centre-back has not played for QPR since 28 October due to a hip injury, and a proposed loan move to Lokomotiv Moscow, that would’ve landed him a reported £1m, fell through on transfer deadline day.

Rangers are running out of patience with Caulker.

The minimum sanction he faces is being fined two weeks’ wages – the maximum fine clubs can impose under terms agreed by the FA with the PFA, who could potentially challenge a stiffer punishment.

Caulker has 16 months remaining on his QPR contract.
 
I worry about Matip's injury record though. Can we really rely on someone like that?

I do think our defenders look worse than they are sometimes with the way we play leaving them exposed. Individally they're all good players. Look at Chelsea...Cahill is a decent centre half but nothing more...but he has Kante and Matip protecting him. Doesn't half make a difference.

This is so true, peeps moan about the defence but our 1st choice defence is fine. Unfortunately although Matip and Lovren compliment each other well they have hardly played together, only 10 games.
It is blatantly obvious to me that the more pressing problem is the midfield, before a new cb we need a top quality midfielder. Can can't and Hendo is ok but not reliable fitness wise. There always seems to be a gaping chasm between the defence and midfield, particularly against sides that press us high up the pitch.
 
Caulker is only 25? I thought he's at least 32.

Weird signing back then. We could have signed Heskey and it wouldn't have been any different.
 
Our back 5 Clyne aside needs a lot of work in its current state

I'd argue he's as in need of refreshment as the rest back there. If Trent Alexander keeps up his progression, or bar Clyne discovering the form of his life, he can go after next year. As it is, he's lucky there's at least 2 needed before him (LB and top CB).
 
I thought he started off strongly for us, but lately I've noticed him making a lot of mistakes. The jury is still out for me, but as of right now I don't think he's good enough.
 
Not good enough for a top club. That said, realistically, he's not much worse than Lovren and if picking Klavan prevents Lucas getting a game, give him a pay rise.
 
The thing that differentiates a good defender to a very good defender is the consistency. Our defenders all have their very good moments which make them look immense, but they dont do it over 90 mins. They each have brain fart moments that caused us a goal or even cause panic to our defence.

They need to make good decisions, keep it simple, take command of the situation, hold their shape and lines, all these over 90 mins and 38 games.

Matip had a stretch of games in the beginning where he was consistently very good. The rest are all hit and miss for me. Not good enough.
 
He wasn't a proper target, he was brought in as cover when injuries created the need, and in that sense he's much better than Steven Caulker.

Exactly so. I think he's generally done pretty well to be honest and had he played instead of that hapless Brazilian when the opportunity arose we might be a few points better off.
 
He wasn't a proper target, he was brought in as cover when injuries created the need, and in that sense he's much better than Steven Caulker.

Klopp even said himself that people were writing Klavan off as a cover player, when in fact that was very far from the truth and he would be playing alot.

What injuries created the need? Klopp knew he was selling Skrtel, he knew he didn't like Sakho, and he knew Toure was going, so that left us with one experienced centre half, a free transfer and a bunch of kids. Clearly Klavan was brought in as more than "cover", when we only had two able, experienced centre halves to start the season with. And fucking Lucas, who inexplicably jumped ahead of Klavan in the pecking order.

Matip has been largely good, but not faultless, Lovren I can live with for now, but we're still a laughing stock at the back, especially when the options beyond those two are 30 year old Klavan and a frustratingly mediocre midfielder.
 
Decent squad signing. Has had some good games and some not so good. I'd rather he was 4th choice behind Matip, Lovren and a top centre back, Matip picks up a few knocks and Lovren seems to miss a handful of games each year too. Maybe Klopp thinks Gomez will be a top CB in the long term.
Yep as you and Brendan pointed out, 3rd choice now. However he was signed as 4th choice and it is only because of the Sakho shenanigans that he's been promoted to 3rd choice. He'll be back to 4th for next season.
 
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