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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095800#msg1095800 date=1272560506]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=39986.msg1095793#msg1095793 date=1272560285]
To use monsieurdantes marvellous analogy, many people on here like Neil and Rafa4pm, want to keep drinking the piss.
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I wont even try to deny that one big reason I don't want rid of rafa (yet) is because who we replace him with is a real concern. that's only natural surely?
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'This just in Bob. In a stunning admission of guilt Spider neil admitted drinking his own urine. When questioned by our roving reporter Gene Hughes about drinking the urine, he replied and i quote Bob 'Its only natural surely'
Now heres carol with the weather.'
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=39986.msg1095793#msg1095793 date=1272560285]
To use monsieurdantes marvellous analogy, many people on here like Neil and Rafa4pm, want to keep drinking the piss.
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I wont even try to deny that one big reason I don't want rid of rafa (yet) is because who we replace him with is a real concern. that's only natural surely?
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'This just in Bob. In a stunning admission of guilt Spider neil admitted drinking his own urine. When questioned by our roving reporter Gene Hughes about drinking the urine, he replied and i quote Bob 'Its only natural surely'
Now heres carol with the weather.'
LOL
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095801#msg1095801 date=1272560553]
I love old Neil though i really do. No one NO ONE in the world has so many footballing opinions counter to mine but hes such a good sport i cant help but love him. I mean look just now, i called him a flid and he ended up apologising.
The daft fucking flid.
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I don't post to be purposly contrary I post what I belive and the truth is I couldn't care less who agrees with me unlike many who get sweep along with the wave of opinion like lemmings. when we were in an almighty slump last winter I felt we'd pull out of it even though the majority wanted rafa out, we then went on an amazing run battering everyone in our path. nothing to do with 'being right or wrong' I just believed we'd get out of it and I believe that now, I'm not going to go against what I believe for fear of ridicule. I'm 100% convinced rafa will get another season we'll see how it pans out.
I love old Neil though i really do. No one NO ONE in the world has so many footballing opinions counter to mine but hes such a good sport i cant help but love him. I mean look just now, i called him a flid and he ended up apologising.
The daft fucking flid.
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I don't post to be purposly contrary I post what I belive and the truth is I couldn't care less who agrees with me unlike many who get sweep along with the wave of opinion like lemmings. when we were in an almighty slump last winter I felt we'd pull out of it even though the majority wanted rafa out, we then went on an amazing run battering everyone in our path. nothing to do with 'being right or wrong' I just believed we'd get out of it and I believe that now, I'm not going to go against what I believe for fear of ridicule. I'm 100% convinced rafa will get another season we'll see how it pans out.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095816#msg1095816 date=1272561474]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095801#msg1095801 date=1272560553]
I love old Neil though i really do. No one NO ONE in the world has so many footballing opinions counter to mine but hes such a good sport i cant help but love him. I mean look just now, i called him a flid and he ended up apologising.
The daft fucking flid.
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I don't post to be purposly contrary I post what I belive and the truth is I couldn't care less who agrees with me unlike many who get sweep along with the wave of opinion like lemmings. when we were in an almighty slump last winter I felt we'd pull out of it even though the majority wanted rafa out, we then went on an amazing run battering everyone in our path. nothing to do with 'being right or wrong' I just believed we'd get out of it and I believe that now, I'm not going to go against what I believe for fear of ridicule. I'm 100% convinced rafa will get another season we'll see how it pans out.
[/quote]Flid 😛
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095801#msg1095801 date=1272560553]
I love old Neil though i really do. No one NO ONE in the world has so many footballing opinions counter to mine but hes such a good sport i cant help but love him. I mean look just now, i called him a flid and he ended up apologising.
The daft fucking flid.
[/quote]
I don't post to be purposly contrary I post what I belive and the truth is I couldn't care less who agrees with me unlike many who get sweep along with the wave of opinion like lemmings. when we were in an almighty slump last winter I felt we'd pull out of it even though the majority wanted rafa out, we then went on an amazing run battering everyone in our path. nothing to do with 'being right or wrong' I just believed we'd get out of it and I believe that now, I'm not going to go against what I believe for fear of ridicule. I'm 100% convinced rafa will get another season we'll see how it pans out.
[/quote]Flid 😛
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095817#msg1095817 date=1272561617]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095816#msg1095816 date=1272561474]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095801#msg1095801 date=1272560553]
I love old Neil though i really do. No one NO ONE in the world has so many footballing opinions counter to mine but hes such a good sport i cant help but love him. I mean look just now, i called him a flid and he ended up apologising.
The daft fucking flid.
[/quote]
I don't post to be purposly contrary I post what I belive and the truth is I couldn't care less who agrees with me unlike many who get sweep along with the wave of opinion like lemmings. when we were in an almighty slump last winter I felt we'd pull out of it even though the majority wanted rafa out, we then went on an amazing run battering everyone in our path. nothing to do with 'being right or wrong' I just believed we'd get out of it and I believe that now, I'm not going to go against what I believe for fear of ridicule. I'm 100% convinced rafa will get another season we'll see how it pans out.
[/quote]Flid 😛
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;D
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095816#msg1095816 date=1272561474]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095801#msg1095801 date=1272560553]
I love old Neil though i really do. No one NO ONE in the world has so many footballing opinions counter to mine but hes such a good sport i cant help but love him. I mean look just now, i called him a flid and he ended up apologising.
The daft fucking flid.
[/quote]
I don't post to be purposly contrary I post what I belive and the truth is I couldn't care less who agrees with me unlike many who get sweep along with the wave of opinion like lemmings. when we were in an almighty slump last winter I felt we'd pull out of it even though the majority wanted rafa out, we then went on an amazing run battering everyone in our path. nothing to do with 'being right or wrong' I just believed we'd get out of it and I believe that now, I'm not going to go against what I believe for fear of ridicule. I'm 100% convinced rafa will get another season we'll see how it pans out.
[/quote]Flid 😛
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;D
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095776#msg1095776 date=1272558988]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39986.msg1095768#msg1095768 date=1272558100]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095114#msg1095114 date=1272487802]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39986.msg1095105#msg1095105 date=1272487635]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095102#msg1095102 date=1272487584]
Rafa
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You'd genuinely choose Rafa over Mourinho?
Have you joined SoS?
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Yer i would, i don't care how good Mourinho is, he's not a Liverpool manager, i don't want a manger who acts like they way he does managing us
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You're so right, Kris...thats exactly why Rafa was chosen over Mourinho.
And it's worked out so well.
I must say tho, that I've never seen a thread where the apologists prove their idiocy quite so emphatically.
Rebel's return has clealry been wondrous.
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post like this seriously make angry. so if you dont tow the 'rafa out' line it proves your idiocy. fucking whatever.
I almost want jose to come here to see how far he gets with limited funds and opposition teams whose riches far out exceed his own. he'll struggle and when he does he'll be off like shot.
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Thats not what I mean at all.
Some posts defending Rafa have merit, most don't.
Not naming names of course.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39986.msg1095768#msg1095768 date=1272558100]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095114#msg1095114 date=1272487802]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39986.msg1095105#msg1095105 date=1272487635]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095102#msg1095102 date=1272487584]
Rafa
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You'd genuinely choose Rafa over Mourinho?
Have you joined SoS?
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Yer i would, i don't care how good Mourinho is, he's not a Liverpool manager, i don't want a manger who acts like they way he does managing us
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You're so right, Kris...thats exactly why Rafa was chosen over Mourinho.
And it's worked out so well.
I must say tho, that I've never seen a thread where the apologists prove their idiocy quite so emphatically.
Rebel's return has clealry been wondrous.
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post like this seriously make angry. so if you dont tow the 'rafa out' line it proves your idiocy. fucking whatever.
I almost want jose to come here to see how far he gets with limited funds and opposition teams whose riches far out exceed his own. he'll struggle and when he does he'll be off like shot.
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Thats not what I mean at all.
Some posts defending Rafa have merit, most don't.
Not naming names of course.
In a weird kind of way, the spide has owned this thread
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=39986.msg1095542#msg1095542 date=1272536090]
Here's just a few of Jose's flops:
Khalid Boulahrouz Hamburg £7m
John Mikel Obi Lyn £16m
Andrei Shevchenko AC Milan £30.8m
Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £21m
Scott Sinclair
Asier Del Horno Athletic Bilbao £8m
Jiri Jarosik CSKA Moscow £4.83m
Tiago Benfica £8m
Mateja Kezman PSV Eindhoven £5m
Paulo Ferreira £13m
Quaresma £15m
Mancini £13m
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A good chunk of them are Arnesen signings.
Here's just a few of Jose's flops:
Khalid Boulahrouz Hamburg £7m
John Mikel Obi Lyn £16m
Andrei Shevchenko AC Milan £30.8m
Shaun Wright-Phillips Manchester City £21m
Scott Sinclair
Asier Del Horno Athletic Bilbao £8m
Jiri Jarosik CSKA Moscow £4.83m
Tiago Benfica £8m
Mateja Kezman PSV Eindhoven £5m
Paulo Ferreira £13m
Quaresma £15m
Mancini £13m
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A good chunk of them are Arnesen signings.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39986.msg1095830#msg1095830 date=1272563186]
In a weird kind of way, the spide has owned this thread
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Spider is too nice a gentleman to have a feast over.
If his username was Rable23 or Glock he would've got torn a new arsehole. Spider even manages to avoid your own damning assesments, which is surprising given your track record for hunting cretins.
In a weird kind of way, the spide has owned this thread
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Spider is too nice a gentleman to have a feast over.
If his username was Rable23 or Glock he would've got torn a new arsehole. Spider even manages to avoid your own damning assesments, which is surprising given your track record for hunting cretins.
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095788#msg1095788 date=1272560046]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095785#msg1095785 date=1272559407]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095776#msg1095776 date=1272558988]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39986.msg1095768#msg1095768 date=1272558100]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095114#msg1095114 date=1272487802]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39986.msg1095105#msg1095105 date=1272487635]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095102#msg1095102 date=1272487584]
Rafa
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You'd genuinely choose Rafa over Mourinho?
Have you joined SoS?
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Yer i would, i don't care how good Mourinho is, he's not a Liverpool manager, i don't want a manger who acts like they way he does managing us
[/quote]
You're so right, Kris...thats exactly why Rafa was chosen over Mourinho.
And it's worked out so well.
I must say tho, that I've never seen a thread where the apologists prove their idiocy quite so emphatically.
Rebel's return has clealry been wondrous.
[/quote]
post like this seriously make angry. so if you dont tow the 'rafa out' line it proves your idiocy. fucking whatever.
I almost want jose to come here to see how far he gets with limited funds and opposition teams whose riches far out exceed his own. he'll struggle and when he does he'll be off like shot.
[/quote]I dont think hes saying wanting rafa out makes you a flid. Just that you lot (Rafa4pm and Mamma mia excluded) consistently make yourself look like flids.
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go on then, in what way? you mean like your fantastic spending post listing rafa sales and purchases where in the wonderful world of oncey no player ever wants to leaves liverpool, no players wants first team football and no player is ever in decline so needs moving on.
or how about the wage bill topic that gets conveniently sweep under the carpet every time its raised because in the real world massive wages makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in attracting top players.
or what about the competition where in the same league is a manager with 20 plus years of experience, 12 plus years of experience and a team that have over inflated the market with spending the likes of which has never been seen in this country.
the rafa defense may be myopic but the people that attack rafa are equally as blinkered.
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So one of your defences of Rafa is that there are other better managers in the league and that's why we can't win it ?
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39986.msg1095785#msg1095785 date=1272559407]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39986.msg1095776#msg1095776 date=1272558988]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=39986.msg1095768#msg1095768 date=1272558100]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095114#msg1095114 date=1272487802]
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=39986.msg1095105#msg1095105 date=1272487635]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095102#msg1095102 date=1272487584]
Rafa
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You'd genuinely choose Rafa over Mourinho?
Have you joined SoS?
[/quote]
Yer i would, i don't care how good Mourinho is, he's not a Liverpool manager, i don't want a manger who acts like they way he does managing us
[/quote]
You're so right, Kris...thats exactly why Rafa was chosen over Mourinho.
And it's worked out so well.
I must say tho, that I've never seen a thread where the apologists prove their idiocy quite so emphatically.
Rebel's return has clealry been wondrous.
[/quote]
post like this seriously make angry. so if you dont tow the 'rafa out' line it proves your idiocy. fucking whatever.
I almost want jose to come here to see how far he gets with limited funds and opposition teams whose riches far out exceed his own. he'll struggle and when he does he'll be off like shot.
[/quote]I dont think hes saying wanting rafa out makes you a flid. Just that you lot (Rafa4pm and Mamma mia excluded) consistently make yourself look like flids.
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go on then, in what way? you mean like your fantastic spending post listing rafa sales and purchases where in the wonderful world of oncey no player ever wants to leaves liverpool, no players wants first team football and no player is ever in decline so needs moving on.
or how about the wage bill topic that gets conveniently sweep under the carpet every time its raised because in the real world massive wages makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in attracting top players.
or what about the competition where in the same league is a manager with 20 plus years of experience, 12 plus years of experience and a team that have over inflated the market with spending the likes of which has never been seen in this country.
the rafa defense may be myopic but the people that attack rafa are equally as blinkered.
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So one of your defences of Rafa is that there are other better managers in the league and that's why we can't win it ?
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
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Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated - fact
Gerrard is clearly happy - pure speculation
Torres wants out - I'd expect better from that rag.
But of course, Krissr knows better.
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[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated - fact
Gerrard is clearly happy - pure speculation
Torres wants out - I'd expect better from that rag.
But of course, Krissr knows better.
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[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
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To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
[/quote]
To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096568#msg1096568 date=1272589978]
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
[/quote]
To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
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18 defeats. 7th in the league. To argue with these facts is ridiculous.
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
[/quote]
To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
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18 defeats. 7th in the league. To argue with these facts is ridiculous.
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39986.msg1096569#msg1096569 date=1272590076]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096568#msg1096568 date=1272589978]
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
[/quote]
To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
[/quote]
18 defeats. 7th in the league. To argue with these fact is ridiculous.
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So Kenny Dalglish voted our best ever player is wrong, our 2nd best ever player Gerrard is wrong, Wenger who's been in the game years is wrong, and Reina one of the worlds best goalkeepers is wrong ?
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096568#msg1096568 date=1272589978]
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
[/quote]
To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
[/quote]
18 defeats. 7th in the league. To argue with these fact is ridiculous.
[/quote]
So Kenny Dalglish voted our best ever player is wrong, our 2nd best ever player Gerrard is wrong, Wenger who's been in the game years is wrong, and Reina one of the worlds best goalkeepers is wrong ?
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096570#msg1096570 date=1272590365]
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39986.msg1096569#msg1096569 date=1272590076]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096568#msg1096568 date=1272589978]
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
[/quote]
To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
[/quote]
18 defeats. 7th in the league. To argue with these fact is ridiculous.
[/quote]
So Kenny Dalglish voted our best ever player is wrong, our 2nd best ever player Gerrard is wrong, Wenger who's been in the game years is wrong, and Reina one of the worlds best goalkeepers is wrong ?
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No just you. Look, we're shit at the moment. You'd be an idiot to think he's doing a good job. And I can't see how he's ever going to turn it around. I think he should go. He needs it and we desperately need it.
What did you think of that bench tonight? What did you think when Degen came on? When El Zhar came on? Not just the personnel, the fact that he has signed these duds, but the timing of these substitutions and the implications?
The squad is exactly where it was when he took over - utterly dependant on two players.
I know I should get away from this thread, but it's like a car crash. I can't help but look.
[quote author=Halmeister link=topic=39986.msg1096569#msg1096569 date=1272590076]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096568#msg1096568 date=1272589978]
[quote author=Mr_V link=topic=39986.msg1095165#msg1095165 date=1272489067]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1095156#msg1095156 date=1272488756]
Wenger calls him a super manager
Gerrard says he's on another level to most managers in the world, and the best he's ever worked with
Reina says he's building something special
Kenny Dalglish says he's the right man for the job
Wanted by some of the biggest clubs in the world
But of course SCM posters know better
[/quote]
Guided Liverpool to the most number of defeats since they were relegated
Gerrard is clearly happy
Torres wants out
But of course, Krissr knows better.
[/quote]
To simply argue against the people who have praised him and been in the games years in all seriousness is ridiculous and you know it
[/quote]
18 defeats. 7th in the league. To argue with these fact is ridiculous.
[/quote]
So Kenny Dalglish voted our best ever player is wrong, our 2nd best ever player Gerrard is wrong, Wenger who's been in the game years is wrong, and Reina one of the worlds best goalkeepers is wrong ?
[/quote]
No just you. Look, we're shit at the moment. You'd be an idiot to think he's doing a good job. And I can't see how he's ever going to turn it around. I think he should go. He needs it and we desperately need it.
What did you think of that bench tonight? What did you think when Degen came on? When El Zhar came on? Not just the personnel, the fact that he has signed these duds, but the timing of these substitutions and the implications?
The squad is exactly where it was when he took over - utterly dependant on two players.
I know I should get away from this thread, but it's like a car crash. I can't help but look.
Krissr,
Have you ever heard a top. top player come out and say anything other than "Our boss is boss", when they're still at the club..?
Judas and Goldenballs never bitched about Ginsoak, even though it's come out since that their relationships were not good at the end... Do you REALLY expect SG or Pepe, maybe our two strongest characters in that dressing room to come out and call him a cnut? Or Kenny? Seriously..? The fact that they're all toeing the corporate line doesn't mean that they believe it. Chairman's vote of confidence, anyone? They're always EXACTLY what the club needs, until the second they're fired.
Also, because Wenger said something doesn't mean that it's automatically so... He's NOT done a good job here for the past two seasons or more (since CL final 2007 for me) and if Jesus Christ himself comes down and says "He's great", I'll STILL ask Him what exactly he's looking at when it comes to 2008 - 2010...
The fact that he HAS done a good job for us initially, at the front end of his career here doesn't mean that he STILL is. 'Cos he's not.
Have you ever heard a top. top player come out and say anything other than "Our boss is boss", when they're still at the club..?
Judas and Goldenballs never bitched about Ginsoak, even though it's come out since that their relationships were not good at the end... Do you REALLY expect SG or Pepe, maybe our two strongest characters in that dressing room to come out and call him a cnut? Or Kenny? Seriously..? The fact that they're all toeing the corporate line doesn't mean that they believe it. Chairman's vote of confidence, anyone? They're always EXACTLY what the club needs, until the second they're fired.
Also, because Wenger said something doesn't mean that it's automatically so... He's NOT done a good job here for the past two seasons or more (since CL final 2007 for me) and if Jesus Christ himself comes down and says "He's great", I'll STILL ask Him what exactly he's looking at when it comes to 2008 - 2010...
The fact that he HAS done a good job for us initially, at the front end of his career here doesn't mean that he STILL is. 'Cos he's not.
I'm not gonna go into how much we've spent, been there and done it, but to be honest mate, do you genuinely believe that if we hadn't had such bad luck and injuries this season, we would still still be in the same position ? every team gets injuries but we've had alot more than most
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096575#msg1096575 date=1272591305]
I'm not gonna go into how much we've spent, been there and done it, but to be honest mate, do you genuinely believe that if we hadn't had such bad luck and injuries this season, we would still still be in the same position ? every team gets injuries but we've had alot more than most
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
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I agree to an extent, he has been unlucky. He has been unlucky in general in parts this season. Beachball etc...
But Benitez is in charge of a squad that can't cope with injuries to one or two players - ie Gerrard and Torres. We should be better than that. 6 years ago we were fucked if we lost Gerrard or Owen.
With regards to some of those players, DON'T sign injury prone players. Aquilani was injured for half of the season when we signed him. Massive mistake, as good a player as he may be. His career average was 17 games a season or something ridiculous. Not worth the punt for a precious £20 million. Same to a lesser extent wth Aurelio . The guy is perma-injured. Rafa should know better.
I'm not gonna go into how much we've spent, been there and done it, but to be honest mate, do you genuinely believe that if we hadn't had such bad luck and injuries this season, we would still still be in the same position ? every team gets injuries but we've had alot more than most
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
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I agree to an extent, he has been unlucky. He has been unlucky in general in parts this season. Beachball etc...
But Benitez is in charge of a squad that can't cope with injuries to one or two players - ie Gerrard and Torres. We should be better than that. 6 years ago we were fucked if we lost Gerrard or Owen.
With regards to some of those players, DON'T sign injury prone players. Aquilani was injured for half of the season when we signed him. Massive mistake, as good a player as he may be. His career average was 17 games a season or something ridiculous. Not worth the punt for a precious £20 million. Same to a lesser extent wth Aurelio . The guy is perma-injured. Rafa should know better.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096575#msg1096575 date=1272591305]
I'm not gonna go into how much we've spent, been there and done it, but to be honest mate, do you genuinely believe that if we hadn't had such bad luck and injuries this season, we would still still be in the same position ? every team gets injuries but we've had alot more than most
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
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That's a fair point, if it's being claimed that we should have won the league. But even with those players missing part of the time, it's the results and performances against teams that we should beat even without them, like Wigan, Stoke, Portsmouth, Sunderland, etc... and the utterly dire, passionless bilge that's been presented to us all too often, this season and last, that has me where I am.
Those injuries and a l;ack of squad depth are valid reasons for us not challanging for the title. They're not valid reasons for fighting to hold on to 7th, which depending on this weekend's results, we may have to win our final game to secure.
I'm not gonna go into how much we've spent, been there and done it, but to be honest mate, do you genuinely believe that if we hadn't had such bad luck and injuries this season, we would still still be in the same position ? every team gets injuries but we've had alot more than most
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
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That's a fair point, if it's being claimed that we should have won the league. But even with those players missing part of the time, it's the results and performances against teams that we should beat even without them, like Wigan, Stoke, Portsmouth, Sunderland, etc... and the utterly dire, passionless bilge that's been presented to us all too often, this season and last, that has me where I am.
Those injuries and a l;ack of squad depth are valid reasons for us not challanging for the title. They're not valid reasons for fighting to hold on to 7th, which depending on this weekend's results, we may have to win our final game to secure.
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[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096575#msg1096575 date=1272591305]
I'm not gonna go into how much we've spent, been there and done it, but to be honest mate, do you genuinely believe that if we hadn't had such bad luck and injuries this season, we would still still be in the same position ? every team gets injuries but we've had alot more than most
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
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That's a fair point, if it's being claimed that we should have won the league. But even with those players missing part of the time, it's the results and performances against teams that we should beat even without them, like Wigan, Stoke, Portsmouth, Sunderland, etc... and the utterly dire, passionless bilge that's been presented to us all too often, this season and last, that has me where I am.
Those injuries and a l;ack of squad depth are valid reasons for us not challanging for the title. They're not valid reasons for fighting to hold on to 7th, which depending on this weekend's results, we may have to win our final game to secure.
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Yep, this too. We shouldn't lose one or two players and look like a midtable team. We've looked like a midtable side with a full team at times this season. Not good enough. And that's down to the manager and his tactics.
[quote author=krissr link=topic=39986.msg1096575#msg1096575 date=1272591305]
I'm not gonna go into how much we've spent, been there and done it, but to be honest mate, do you genuinely believe that if we hadn't had such bad luck and injuries this season, we would still still be in the same position ? every team gets injuries but we've had alot more than most
Torres - missed alot of games
Aurelio 1st choice left back last season - out for most of the season
Gerrard missed alot games as well - and been mostly awful when he has played
Skrtel and Agger - constantly picking up injuries all season
Johnson - out for a couple of months
Riera - criticising the manager
Aquilani - even when he came back, he was out for a few games due to bein injured
That's Aurelio, Torres, Gerrard, Johnson, Riera, Skrtel, Agger, Aquilani all not being able to play most weeks
[/quote]
That's a fair point, if it's being claimed that we should have won the league. But even with those players missing part of the time, it's the results and performances against teams that we should beat even without them, like Wigan, Stoke, Portsmouth, Sunderland, etc... and the utterly dire, passionless bilge that's been presented to us all too often, this season and last, that has me where I am.
Those injuries and a l;ack of squad depth are valid reasons for us not challanging for the title. They're not valid reasons for fighting to hold on to 7th, which depending on this weekend's results, we may have to win our final game to secure.
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Yep, this too. We shouldn't lose one or two players and look like a midtable team. We've looked like a midtable side with a full team at times this season. Not good enough. And that's down to the manager and his tactics.
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Krissr mate, just go out in the street now, find 10 Evertonians, and ask each one if they want Rafa to stay or go.
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Does he live in Rhyl?
Krissr mate, just go out in the street now, find 10 Evertonians, and ask each one if they want Rafa to stay or go.
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Does he live in Rhyl?
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[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39986.msg1096770#msg1096770 date=1272624470]
Krissr mate, just go out in the street now, find 10 Evertonians, and ask each one if they want Rafa to stay or go.
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Does he live in Rhyl?
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Nice
[quote author=Piedro link=topic=39986.msg1096770#msg1096770 date=1272624470]
Krissr mate, just go out in the street now, find 10 Evertonians, and ask each one if they want Rafa to stay or go.
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Does he live in Rhyl?
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Nice
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