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[quote author=keniget link=topic=48383.msg1468262#msg1468262 date=1327187748]
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=48383.msg1468222#msg1468222 date=1327183369]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=48383.msg1468127#msg1468127 date=1327176828]
100%. That's why we're Liverpool, not Chelsea.
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Correct.

We always give managers time, and Kenny needs it.

Til the end of next season, at least.
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Why isn't Roy still managing us then?
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That's different, I don't really need to go into why.

He was a manager who was brought in under a different ownership with no concept of football at any level above average, hence the 12th place position he was in when he was sacked. We brought in Kenny with a 3 year plan, and we're halfway through it with a really young (in comparison to last year) squad.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=48383.msg1468269#msg1468269 date=1327188183]
We have a three year plan?

When was this announced?
[/quote]One and one half of a year ago.
 
We'll do our usual trick of having a storming finish, battering and blasting our way to 5th or 6th, and this will con some of us into thinking that things will be different next season. Like it always does.

The interesting thing will be seeing if the Yanks fall for it.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=48383.msg1468269#msg1468269 date=1327188183]
We have a three year plan?

When was this announced?
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It's a three year contract and I recall him saying as much in his interview. I can't be bothered finding it though.
 
It's a bit of a stretch to use the length of a contract as an indication of anything as you well know.

I think I'd prefer to pretend that there is no plan behind all of this anyway. The idea that all of this was part of some calculated and meticulously planned grand scheme depresses me.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=48383.msg1468273#msg1468273 date=1327188895]
We'll do our usual trick of having a storming finish, battering and blasting our way to 5th or 6th, and this will con some of us into thinking that things will be different next season. Like it always does.

The interesting thing will be seeing if the Yanks fall for it.
[/quote]I really REALLY dont think we will.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=48383.msg1468251#msg1468251 date=1327186107]
And as for him losing it after hillsborough (I'm drunk but I think it was earlier in this thread), all I can say is I believe that experience proved he was one of the finest and most wonderful people to ever be involved in football.

Sure it's not a reason for him to keep his job, but it's a reason for me to support him beyond logic.

Edit: and I'll add, if Kenny goes then I hope he resigns (and not the usual mutual agreement shite, I mean he actually wants to go). If Kenny's sacked then It would upset me greatly.
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I'm 100% with you here (intended to bold some parts of your post, but then realized I was about to bold the entire post). This is exactly what I meant in my post a couple of pages back (assuming you responded to that post).
 
Seriously, aside from him being a legend, and respect... Why does anyone want him to continue as manager?
 
He got us playing some really nice pass and move football. He restored the feel good factor to the training ground and dressing room. He's excellent at handling the press. Players love him. Fans love him. He's the last in the line of great managers going back to the traditions of the boot room era.

I believe we are better off with Kenny at the helm. However, I always though he would live or die by the Downing and Carroll transfers, sadly it looks like a slow and painful death for all concerned at the moment. We needed him to give us a Aldridge and Barnes, he didn't deliver. Surely some of that blame needs to go to the man in charge of unearthing the talent required for the team, Comolli.

We should cut or losses with the decision to build that team, not with Kenny. We played better football before we spent the 53 million. The idea of a winger putting in ball after ball to a big target man seems a bit outdated at the top of the modern game. It hasn't even worked as a tactic for us once has it?

I think bringing in a top young coach to work under Kenny would be a good move in the summer. Some young European tactical genius might help.
 
As I said, I have my doubts regarding the future with Kenny as manager, although being the legend that he is I desperately hope and want him to somehow change things and succeed.
I don't want him to be sacked - I'd rather see him resigning because he wants to (as George said).
Anyway, I can't see the point of changing the manager at this stage of the season. Do we have someone better to replace him currently?
Ideally if/once he realizes that he's not the man for the job long term, he'll help identifying a successor and resign as manager at the end of this season.

Can't say I see this as a realistic scenario, so yes, it's a shitty situation we're in - the worst case scenario which I dreaded from day one.
 
dunno what to think, really.

after such staggering progress in his first 5 months, i really believe we've gone in the wrong direction, not just the signings, but the way the team's being set up as well.

personally i don't think it's fair to blame him or credit him with the suarez and carroll signings. that might be wrong, but until i know better i'm going to go with that. so, i'll judge him on:

henderson
adam
downing
enrique
coates
bellamy

overall i think that's a mediocre, at best, record. i'd expect both GH and RB to do better than that based on their previous signings; but worse than the players signed is the apparent focus on pretty average, overpriced, british players, which makes me worry we'd be doing the same again when he and comolli are given more money to spend. the only one there from the same category of signings (young, well-priced foreign potential) i liked so much about Rafa is Coates, and that's my biggest misgiving about Kenny: i can forgive transfer mistakes, but not a wrong-headed transfer policy - as i see it, of course.

but i do still think there's reason for optimism.

we're in poor form at the moment, no doubt, but let's be honest: a lot of our dropped points before xmas really did come in games we played very well in, playing good attacking football and creating numerous chances. part of me thinks so much would change with 2 quality attacking signings, and so it'd be a crying shame IF that's all we need and he isn't given a chance to find them, especially if Carroll wasn't particularly his choice.

Reina
Johnson
Skrtel
Agger
Enrique
Lucas
Henderson
Gerrard
*Creative type*
Suarez
*Striker*

looks a bloody good team to me, and potentially plenty of youth there.

Another thing i really like about what we're doing - and i guess Comolli deserves plenty of credit here, along with Kenny and Rafa - is the attempts to get in really good youth players. For the first time I can remember we really seem to be doing this right, and I do have some sympathy with Ross's view that we're building for a title challenge in 5 years or so. I know we've been saying this for a long time, and i know people are cynical and impatient with it, but I genuinely think the lads around 18 or so are miles ahead of their counterparts of previous years, and the younger lads seem more promising still (u16s beat Man City 5-0 yesterday, 2 goals each from Seyi Ojo and Alex O'Hanlon, both very highly regarded when we brought them in). Of course, to some extent this process is something of an arms race, with all top clubs having similar ideas, and there's a worry that we're running very hard just to stay still.... the list of promising young players is leagues ahead of anything I can ever remember being able to call on, however:

Sterling
Flanagan
Robinson
Coady
Wisdom
Teixeira
Ibe
Ojo
O'Hanlon
Sinclair
Pelosi
McLaughlin
Bueno (scored twice on his league debut recently - looked excellent)
Dunn

and these are just the most prodigious ones; plenty of others of the promise of players like Spearing and Warnock who might yet kick on and make useful players.


So, while I can't deny that I'm currently dispirited almost to the point of indifference, I do think things could improve quite suddenly if Kenny and Comolli can learn the lessons of last summer. I'm just going to try to wait and see how we end the season, and be thankful that I don't seem to care like I used to so at least I'm not having my weekends ruined anymore.
 
He has my 100% backing.

Approval rating? Probably about 50% currently.

It's weird, everyone is complaining here but was made up with that team before kick off.

So given the players we have we'd have picked the same team, & Kenny's comments afterwards prove he was furious with them, as were we, so what to we complain about thats any different than we complained about a few games in?

We disagree with some major spending decisions, assuming they're his decisions then that's a negative towards him. In the same respect we have to assume the pass & move football we played so well last season is from him too, so it's confusing.

Tactically he's definitely struggling as he's not making an impact on games after they've started & we're not working.

That aspect, even above the transfers, is the most worrying.
 
yeh, i meant to comment on the tactical stuff. you're right, that's the single biggest concern. often we set up strangely, and almost always struggle to change games from losing positions.

getting to CL finals under Kenny is almost inconceivable, unfortunately.
 
I wasn't made up with the team before kick off, it lacked width, Henderson is not a winger. Agreed, about the 100% backing though, at least until the end of the season.
 
It's the wrong day to ask this. That was the worst performance and result since Hodgson got sacked. The squad is worse than it was last May despite lots of money being thrown at it. Season could be over this time next week.
 
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[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=48383.msg1468068#msg1468068 date=1327174422]
I haven't lost belief in Kenny, I didn't expect over night success, clearly he's got it wrong tactically in the last two games.

Our biggest problem is the fact that we've brought extremely poorly, we've misspent a huge amount of money, but as it goes I'm not sure who the buck stops with on that
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Yep, that's where I'm at too. I'd give him one more season, but if there's still no improvement then he could have no complaints.

I always had doubts about Dalglish and I thought he proved them all wrong last season. Now I'm not so sure.
 
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48383.msg1468431#msg1468431 date=1327224532]
dunno what to think, really.

after such staggering progress in his first 5 months, i really believe we've gone in the wrong direction, not just the signings, but the way the team's being set up as well.

personally i don't think it's fair to blame him or credit him with the suarez and carroll signings. that might be wrong, but until i know better i'm going to go with that. so, i'll judge him on:

henderson
adam
downing
enrique
coates
bellamy

overall i think that's a mediocre, at best, record. i'd expect both GH and RB to do better than that based on their previous signings; but worse than the players signed is the apparent focus on pretty average, overpriced, british players, which makes me worry we'd be doing the same again when he and comolli are given more money to spend. the only one there from the same category of signings (young, well-priced foreign potential) i liked so much about Rafa is Coates, and that's my biggest misgiving about Kenny: i can forgive transfer mistakes, but not a wrong-headed transfer policy - as i see it, of course.

but i do still think there's reason for optimism.

we're in poor form at the moment, no doubt, but let's be honest: a lot of our dropped points before xmas really did come in games we played very well in, playing good attacking football and creating numerous chances. part of me thinks so much would change with 2 quality attacking signings, and so it'd be a crying shame IF that's all we need and he isn't given a chance to find them, especially if Carroll wasn't particularly his choice.

Reina
Johnson
Skrtel
Agger
Enrique
Lucas
Henderson
Gerrard
*Creative type*
Suarez
*Striker*

looks a bloody good team to me, and potentially plenty of youth there.

Another thing i really like about what we're doing - and i guess Comolli deserves plenty of credit here, along with Kenny and Rafa - is the attempts to get in really good youth players. For the first time I can remember we really seem to be doing this right, and I do have some sympathy with Ross's view that we're building for a title challenge in 5 years or so. I know we've been saying this for a long time, and i know people are cynical and impatient with it, but I genuinely think the lads around 18 or so are miles ahead of their counterparts of previous years, and the younger lads seem more promising still (u16s beat Man City 5-0 yesterday, 2 goals each from Seyi Ojo and Alex O'Hanlon, both very highly regarded when we brought them in). Of course, to some extent this process is something of an arms race, with all top clubs having similar ideas, and there's a worry that we're running very hard just to stay still.... the list of promising young players is leagues ahead of anything I can ever remember being able to call on, however:

Sterling
Flanagan
Robinson
Coady
Wisdom
Teixeira
Ibe
Ojo
O'Hanlon
Sinclair
Pelosi
McLaughlin
Bueno (scored twice on his league debut recently - looked excellent)
Dunn

and these are just the most prodigious ones; plenty of others of the promise of players like Spearing and Warnock who might yet kick on and make useful players.


So, while I can't deny that I'm currently dispirited almost to the point of indifference, I do think things could improve quite suddenly if Kenny and Comolli can learn the lessons of last summer. I'm just going to try to wait and see how we end the season, and be thankful that I don't seem to care like I used to so at least I'm not having my weekends ruined anymore.
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Excellent post.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=48383.msg1468067#msg1468067 date=1327174418]
who was it that said 'villa + suarez'?

a very prophetic statement
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that would be me. it didn't require a prophet to be prophetic in this instance.
 
Kenny Dalglish tore into his under-performing Liverpool players after a lacklustre defeat at Bolton Wanderers, accusing them of thinking they only had to turn up to win and disrespecting both their opponents and the traditions of their own club.

"The most disappointing thing for me was that I don't think the approach was correct," the Liverpool manager said after Bolton's surprisingly comprehensive 3-1 win. "The foundations of this club have always been based on respect for other people. You can't come to places like this thinking all you need to do is turn up to get a result. That's what I think we did today, and that's why we were taught a lesson. It's not the right way to represent the club. I don't think we were even ready to play the game. That's probably why we lost a goal after four minutes. I don't think the way we went about our work was correct."

That's more like it.

Enough bullshit. Good to see.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=48383.msg1468432#msg1468432 date=1327225395]
He has my 100% backing.

Approval rating? Probably about 50% currently.

It's weird, everyone is complaining here but was made up with that team before kick off.

So given the players we have we'd have picked the same team, & Kenny's comments afterwards prove he was furious with them, as were we, so what to we complain about thats any different than we complained about a few games in?

We disagree with some major spending decisions, assuming they're his decisions then that's a negative towards him. In the same respect we have to assume the pass & move football we played so well last season is from him too, so it's confusing.

Tactically he's definitely struggling as he's not making an impact on games after they've started & we're not working.

That aspect, even above the transfers, is the most worrying.
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That's true mate, was happy with the team selection myself.

However, take Maxi for example - how would he approach it knowing that no matter how well he plays, the likelihood is he'll be dropped next game? Whether you're a good pro or not, you're going to be fucked with that scenario.

Then there was Henderson being played out of position once again. He's not a right winger and never will be.

Then there was the Gerrard and Adam partnership. I know Lucas and Spearing were out, but surely an extra man like Henderson or Shelvey would have helped in that department? Or even clear instructions to Gerrard or Adam that one of them must anchor the midfield? It was amateurish beyond belief.

Kenny's just fucked about with team selection and tactics this season far, far too much. Draws at home to Sunderland, Norwich, Swansea, Blackburn and Stoke says it all... Nowhere near good enough. Unlucky against Norwich yaddy yaddy yaa but in the other games we've been negative, flat and out of ideas and at this stage you have to wonder what direction Kenny is taking us.
 
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=48383.msg1468431#msg1468431 date=1327224532]
dunno what to think, really.

after such staggering progress in his first 5 months, i really believe we've gone in the wrong direction, not just the signings, but the way the team's being set up as well.

personally i don't think it's fair to blame him or credit him with the suarez and carroll signings. that might be wrong, but until i know better i'm going to go with that. so, i'll judge him on:

henderson
adam
downing
enrique
coates
bellamy

overall i think that's a mediocre, at best, record. i'd expect both GH and RB to do better than that based on their previous signings; but worse than the players signed is the apparent focus on pretty average, overpriced, british players, which makes me worry we'd be doing the same again when he and comolli are given more money to spend. the only one there from the same category of signings (young, well-priced foreign potential) i liked so much about Rafa is Coates, and that's my biggest misgiving about Kenny: i can forgive transfer mistakes, but not a wrong-headed transfer policy - as i see it, of course.

but i do still think there's reason for optimism.

we're in poor form at the moment, no doubt, but let's be honest: a lot of our dropped points before xmas really did come in games we played very well in, playing good attacking football and creating numerous chances. part of me thinks so much would change with 2 quality attacking signings, and so it'd be a crying shame IF that's all we need and he isn't given a chance to find them, especially if Carroll wasn't particularly his choice.

Reina
Johnson
Skrtel
Agger
Enrique
Lucas
Henderson
Gerrard
*Creative type*
Suarez
*Striker*

looks a bloody good team to me, and potentially plenty of youth there.

Another thing i really like about what we're doing - and i guess Comolli deserves plenty of credit here, along with Kenny and Rafa - is the attempts to get in really good youth players. For the first time I can remember we really seem to be doing this right, and I do have some sympathy with Ross's view that we're building for a title challenge in 5 years or so. I know we've been saying this for a long time, and i know people are cynical and impatient with it, but I genuinely think the lads around 18 or so are miles ahead of their counterparts of previous years, and the younger lads seem more promising still (u16s beat Man City 5-0 yesterday, 2 goals each from Seyi Ojo and Alex O'Hanlon, both very highly regarded when we brought them in). Of course, to some extent this process is something of an arms race, with all top clubs having similar ideas, and there's a worry that we're running very hard just to stay still.... the list of promising young players is leagues ahead of anything I can ever remember being able to call on, however:

Sterling
Flanagan
Robinson
Coady
Wisdom
Teixeira
Ibe
Ojo
O'Hanlon
Sinclair
Pelosi
McLaughlin
Bueno (scored twice on his league debut recently - looked excellent)
Dunn

and these are just the most prodigious ones; plenty of others of the promise of players like Spearing and Warnock who might yet kick on and make useful players.


So, while I can't deny that I'm currently dispirited almost to the point of indifference, I do think things could improve quite suddenly if Kenny and Comolli can learn the lessons of last summer. I'm just going to try to wait and see how we end the season, and be thankful that I don't seem to care like I used to so at least I'm not having my weekends ruined anymore.
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Excellent post.
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Yep, very well balanced post.
 
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Over for the City game apparently.

Probably will want a chat with Kenny

Wonder if they'll sanction any deals for players coming in.
 
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