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Keep Suarez?

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  • YES

    Votes: 19 12.3%

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    Votes: 135 87.7%
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LeTallecWiz said:
I'd be more willing to take your line of thinking if you'd have had valid explanations for why others who have done as bad, if not worse, haven't (be it racism, extremely dangerous tackles - which are worse than biting, biting etc).

Suarez is worth keeping, so you take the good with the bad. I just hope the ban is realistic. If it's over 10 games, even you'll have to question what makes biting worse than racism, irresponsible (not intentional - i.e. taylor on eduardo) leg breaking tackles etc ...
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I spend my day going in and out of courts where I know there will be major differences in the outcome depending on the client and the judge. You could end up talking yourself into knots to explain why things differ regularly.

I just accept it and control what I can to get the best outcome. In Suarez's case, if he feels the FA are out to get him it is in his power not to end up in front of them. It's a lot like having a ref that clamps down on diving, a smart player wouldn't dive in front of him. Suarez on the other hand would be flopping all over the place and you'd be here trying to justify him being such a stupid cunt
 
Mystic said:
I still can't understand how what Suarez did is worse than this by Roone
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Rooney plays for England, the FA send their own lawyers to defend him at international hearings, so there is a clear conflict of interest there. The FA have historically always been more lenient on English players, there is no mystery to it the FA needs to keep them sweet, they couldnt give a fuck about foreign players
 
Judge Jules said:
Unusually for you, you sail right past the point here. What I was comparing wasn't the two incidents but the reactions to them. The reaction to Suarez' admitted piece of stupidity - including, I'm afraid, the post from you to which the above was a reply - was and remains wildly OTT.
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You've got to admit though that the sheer number of times that Luis has been in trouble either here or abroad means that he is so high profile that his every movement is monitored. Consequently there is immediate condemnation when something goes wrong because he's a serial offender.

Couple that with the fact he is of huge public interest and a rich source of stories for a media with less and less 'characters' to get excited about. He's manna from heaven for TV and Newspapers.

All this, of course; only makes us love him even more. He's one of us so we'll continue to support him even if we can't defend him all the time.

He's the only footballer here that is worth paying to see all on his own. He's loved by us for his commitment and style, many others watch because they can't wait to see what madness he'll get up to next. Many are watching because they can say 'I told you so'. But they're all watching and they'd all have him in an instant.

I think we're going to have to live with it. At this point I don't care what others think, he makes Football entertainment for me when not much else does.

I just can't get enough.
 
Rosco said:
I spend my day going in and out of courts where I know there will be major differences in the outcome depending on the client and the judge. You could end up talking yourself into knots to explain why things differ regularly.

I just accept it and control what I can to get the best outcome. In Suarez's case, if he feels the FA are out to get him it is in his power not to end up in front of them. It's a lot like having a ref that clamps down on diving, a smart player wouldn't dive in front of him. Suarez on the other hand would be flopping all over the place and you'd be here trying to justify him being such a stupid cunt
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Suarez has been excellent wrt diving this year - he's been smarter about it and hence, is winning penalties.

Overall, you're right. He needs to do his best not to end up in front of them and I really really hope this motivates him even more to take his game to the next level.
 
In the punishment handed out for the Evra case was there an element of additional suspended sentence or even just a warning to his future conduct that could be used by the FA to justify an extended ban here?
 
Jexy: it's true that he comes with baggage and that that will mean he's continually under the spotlight, and it's also true that he should factor that into how he behaves. None of that justifies the disparity in standards between those applied to him and those applied to other players. Still less does it justify Liverpool fans getting carried along with such a disparity and condoning it.
 
I think it misses the point by a country mile.
We're not being persued by the FA nor are they after Suarez. He brings it on himself by being insane on the football pitch.

The thing is, they'll probably give him a 7-10 match ban. Which in itself is beyond mad. Biting someone could then be classified as worse than headbutting, elbowing, leg breaking tackles and rascism. You'd think Ivanovic lost his arm. Biting and spitting are fucking disgusting, but 7-10 games? Thats fucking God fearing insane.
Its the inconsistency, pure guesswork and lack of common sense thats the key issue here. And it probably will be as long as the FA does whatever they want.

Common sense: 4 games. Biting is horrendous and he wont play again this season. Fined 300k and move on next season.

The FA: 7-8 games ban. We'll start next season with the same amount of media coverage and make a fucking whooping deal out of something that isnt life threatning. With him being out until September.
 
Judge Jules said:
Unusually for you, you sail right past the point here. What I was comparing wasn't the two incidents but the reactions to them. The reaction to Suarez' admitted piece of stupidity - including, I'm afraid, the post from you to which the above was a reply - was and remains wildly OTT.
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We know Suarez is demonized. He knows he is demonized. Given what's gone before, he should be keeping his head down and concentrating on his football, not drawing more negative attention to the club. He's let a lot of people down, and in the same way that you think I'm overreacting to the incident, I'm quite surprised at how easily people can reconcile themselves with a player who goes around biting his opponents. If we had a few more players of his ilk, I suspect we'd be a bit more critical of him.
 
Judge Jules said:
Jexy: it's true that he comes with baggage and that that will mean he's continually under the spotlight, and it's also true that he should factor that into how he behaves. None of that justifies the disparity in standards between those applied to him and those applied to other players. Still less does it justify Liverpool fans getting carried along with such a disparity and condoning it.
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I'm sure you were up in arms about the disparity when he got away with punching someone a couple of weeks ago.

Oh ....

Lets stop pretending we have an interest in justice and just acknowledge we're a bunch of massive fucking hypocrites.
 
Rosco said:
I'm sure you were up in arms about the disparity when he got away with punching someone a couple of weeks ago.

Oh ....

Lets stop pretending we have an interest in justice and just acknowledge we're a bunch of massive fucking hypocrites.
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No, let's not. Only someone with a one-eyed agenda like yours would ever describe that as a punch in the first place.
 
Rosco said:
I'm sure you were up in arms about the disparity when he got away with punching someone a couple of weeks ago.
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He'll get banned for that too (I'm almost positive he was punched in his nuts beforehand though - which is why there wasn't as big a storm afterward).
 
Portly said:
Yes - whatever the ban turns out to be, I'm sure we will be shocked by the length of it. The FA are a bunch of stuffed shirts who entertain a huge prejudice against Suarez and will be delighted by the opportunity he has handed them to hit him hard.
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if it had been anyone but Suarez I say 6 games but because of his past it will be 10 IMO
 
Delinquent said:
We know Suarez is demonized. He knows he is demonized. Given what's gone before, he should be keeping his head down and concentrating on his football, not drawing more negative attention to the club. He's let a lot of people down, and in the same way that you think I'm overreacting to the incident, I'm quite surprised at how easily people can reconcile themselves with a player who goes around biting his opponents. If we had a few more players of his ilk, I suspect we'd be a bit more critical of him.
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That's predicated on the idea that biting - stupid and nasty as it is - is worse than the kind of GBH practised by e.g.McManaman and Aguero in recent weeks. I have to say I find that idea ridiculous.
 
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Why are we worrying about the length of ban?. Everybody knows it'll stretch into next season and that the club now need to buy another striker to cover and probably replace Luis after another season or so.
 
Rosco said:
Poor Suarez, everyone's out to get him. Lets ignore the fact he brings it on himself everytime.

I wish people would take their own advice sometimes, when you talk about hypocrisy and lack of consistency of the FA on the one hand all the while telling everyone what a special club we are because we do things the right way and represent what's right with the game. But then you bend over backwards to defend some diving, cheating racist fuckwit who goes around biting people.

We either are the club that does things the right way or we support this fucking moron 100%. You can't have it both way.
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He does bring it on a lot of the time undeniably. There's times when it's just media generated hysteria though e.g. the supposed deliberate handball against Mansfield. He's bang to rights on this one though - no excuses - crazy act from someone who can't seemingly control his anger. The racist thing I don't believe for a minute and never will. Cheat ? Yes - like many others. Diver ? Yes - like many others. Crazy cunt ? Deffo.

It's not as black or white as "We either are the club that does things the right way or we support this fucking moron 100%. You can't have it both way" though

I think we have to try and do the things the right way but we need Suarez the player. I don't think you have to 100% support any one. It's clear he's a bit of a bellend with some issues that need sorting out that's for sure but, end of the day, we need Suarez the player on the pitch. It's fine to admit he's a genius footballer but a bit of a twat.

Let him go by all means if people can't handle what comes with Suarez but don't become crying whiney cunts when we've become Wigan.
 
Rosco said:
Poor Suarez, everyone's out to get him. Lets ignore the fact he brings it on himself everytime.

I wish people would take their own advice sometimes, when you talk about hypocrisy and lack of consistency of the FA on the one hand all the while telling everyone what a special club we are because we do things the right way and represent what's right with the game. But then you bend over backwards to defend some diving, cheating racist fuckwit who goes around biting people.

We either are the club that does things the right way or we support this fucking moron 100%. You can't have it both way.
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well could it not be the right thing to support him ? Would it not be more right to say "we support you and aren't going to abandon you cause the cunty simpleton football community says we should " .

You're going to waffle on about him having too many chances blah blah but we all know the evra racist thing was more complicated than simply being a full blown "racist" and here he's acted out in anger without thinking or probably even knowing what he's done until right after . Is that enough to give up on someone ?

And you're dumber than i previously thought if you think the Evra issue is enough to label someone a "racist fuckwit" .
 
It's not keeping I have a problem with.

It's the absolutely relentlessly stupid defences of him that people who should know better keep trying to raise.

It's laughable, they waffle on about justice, consistency etc and then just like JJ did two minutes ago ignore it when Suarez gets away with something.
 
Judge Jules said:
Jexy: it's true that he comes with baggage and that that will mean he's continually under the spotlight, and it's also true that he should factor that into how he behaves. None of that justifies the disparity in standards between those applied to him and those applied to other players. Still less does it justify Liverpool fans getting carried along with such a disparity and condoning it.
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JJ: I don't think he can factor it into how he behaves. It's how he is. Good luck to the shrinks and anger managers, I think they'll earn their fat fees.

Double standards apply to the authorities, us and opposing fans. It's the human condition. It doesn't make any of us right but it's always been that way. Call it bias, prejudice or what you will; it won't go away unless (in this case) Luis can stop himself and I doubt he can. I'm not even sure I want him to.
 
I'm glad to see Demento got rid of Cantona when he went loopy. And Wenger when Viera spat at Ruddock. I mean we did the right thing getting rid of Diouf when he spat. Wait, they didn't ? Why ? Because they were brilliant footy players who actually gave their team an increased chance of winning shit ! That's the long and short of it. We won't get rid of Suarez even if he is a bit of a cunt because he's too important on the pitch to us. I'm not happy about the way Suarez behaves at times either but winning football games for Liverpool is more important to me than being the moral guardian of football.
 
Sunny said:
He did - he has temper issues. And he did get his balls squeezed by him. I think I'd deck a bloke if he did the same to me.
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True enough, perhaps the anger management is a worthwhile act of contrition. The FA might have more leniency if he's willing to show effort
 
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