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Keep Suarez?

Sell?

  • YES

    Votes: 19 12.3%
  • NO

    Votes: 135 87.7%

  • Total voters
    154
I can't believe I'm going to say this but I agree with MODO.

We'd find it hilarious if it was the other way round. Suarez dive against Everton being the perfect example.


Is it the same though?
Suarez dived in front of Moyes after Moyes had accused him of being a diver.
Evra has "imitated" Suarez who bit Ivanovic - Evra wasn't directly involved there, was he?

I wouldn't call for Evra to be charged for doing that, but it's just tasteless and I was expecting the knights of PC to spot that...
 
The fact the Mancs so obviously hate him despite being 'so far' ahead of us makes it even more important we keep him ... He's on their minds ...

I was tempted to change my stance I must admit after reading Ruddock's commentary on Suarez. You know, the man who openly admitted to going out to intentionally break Andy Cole's legs (& succeeding) because he hated him does have some sway with me (& most of the rational public)


LTW, what did Ruddock have to say? Please save me the search...
 
Say the FA cunts give him a lengthy ban and given that the other similar incident with Defoe resulted in only a yellow card because the ref saw it and issued it so the FA had no other option, also because the FA have decided to make biting (or not as it may be the case), a bigger violent case than life threatening head-butt or a career breaking tackle by not giving a the regular 3 game ban - do you think Suarez should raise the issue with the courts and say take on the FA for racial discrimination? ... yeah man - he should do it.

With all this Modo love-in going on, I will be even more radical & agree with Moron 😱
 
Somehow Evra's unharmful little joke is actually a testament to how important we still are to them. Even when they celebrate on the night of the Prem win, with us sitting 7th like, they still focus on our players our club.

Because we are Liverpool and deep down they now we will be back, stronger than ever.

We will beat them to 25 and Evra will then sit in some commentators box and chew on his own words.
 
... And that severed arm.

Btw the fucking press are pathetic would all his be the same if say Henderson bit ivanovic I doubt it, why don't they just print we don't want you to win the PFA award or fuck off out if the premiership..
 
I don't think you can ever overestimate the power of TV. It's like when I used to watch Pingu. An hour or so later, I'd wake up, covered in plasticine, chewing on a cod skeleton. It was terrifying. These days I'll catch sight of David Cameron and go off to stare at my reflection in a spoon whilst I talk about Thatcher. All TV's fault. I fully expect to wake up tomorrow to find masses of kids outside, all biting each other. And none of them will know how to defend at corners. Not one.

Hahaha you're wasted on here.
 
Strange all this - I just saw the news and the FA are saying that a normal 3 match for violent conduct will not be sufficient in this case. So we are looking at more, most likely because the whole country has made more of this than what it really is and probably because the camera angle made him look like a lion going in for the kill. Personally I think they should take into account that he has goofy teeth but I doubt that will count.

Anyway quite interesting seeing United with their 20th title - while we have been sitting on our arses doing fuck all for the last 20 years. Also can I take the chance to say that I really don't think our manager is going to get us anywhere next season or the season after. I think we are f*cked with him in charge - at least last season we had a few cup finals, this season we have just been plain inconsistent.

You fucking whopper.
 
Great piece written by a spurs fan. Strangely.


In case you hadn't heard, Luis Suarez bit a guy. This playful act of mastication has sparked public outrage to such extent that it has overshadowed two incredibly dramatic football matches played among four of the biggest clubs in England. But Luis Suarez bit a guy, and as far as media narrative goes, that transcends any of the actual football being played.

So I'd ask you to forgive me in advance for engaging in this same practice rather than writing about Spurs' wonderful comeback victory over Manchester City.

Reading this piece on The Liverpool Offside, about Chelsea fans who defend players like John Terry while demonizing Luis Suarez, left me equal parts incensed, confused, and soul-searching. Incensed because it smacks of rationalizing and blame-shifting and confused because in spite of that fact, it still raises good points about fan hypocrisy and the right to moral outrage. And soul-searching because it's forced me to look at my own support of Tottenham Hotspur and the stones I've thrown at the villains of other clubs.

Villains are an integral part of any sport and the media is always searching for the next footballing devil to to burn in effigy. Broadly speaking, there are three categories villainous behavior can fall under: 1) dirty on pitch behavior (rash tackles, diving, theatrics); 2) off-pitch shenanigans (drunken buffoonery, criminal behavior, sordid personal lives); 3) and crazy on pitch behavior (abuse, headbutting, biting). And, rightly or wrongly, each category tends to be viewed as increasingly worse than the one before it.

Leg-breaking tackles are easily rationalized as all part of the game while the behind the scenes infractions can be just as easily overlooked as irrelevant to the game. It's when a player's personal brand of crazy finds its way onto the pitch and transcends the rules of the game that true villains are born (though not always, see Zidane's headbutt heard round the world).

Thus we have Ryan Shawcross who snaps someone's leg but is Not That Kind of Player and Ryan Giggs who sleeps with his brother's wife but boy he's won a lot of medals, and by and large all is forgiven. Paul Scholes is notoriously dangerous in the tackle, and even though every time he throws himself into a challenge with full knowledge that he might just end someone's career, the announcers laugh off his inevitable yellow as a typical "Scholesian" tackle. No villains there.But Luis Suarez and John Terry? These guys are villains. The media tells us so. Their antics are so much worse. Racial abuse, biting people, sleeping with teammates' partners. And we obligingly hate them. Screw John Terry. To hell with Luis Suarez.And not only do we hate them, we hate the fans who support them. They're blinkered and delusional. They have a responsibility to decry this behavior.Liverpool should sell Luis Suarez if they care about their club. You should stop being a Liverpool fan if they don't. You have to draw a line somewhere. If we had players who did terrible things, we would bring the tar and feather ourselves, we smugly proclaim.

I wonder to myself, how would I act, really, if I were confronted with having to support a footballing villain. More than that, how would I feel supporting someone who might legitimately be a bad person? What would I do if my team had players racially abusing people, assaulting people at bars (non-villain Stevie G), and biting opponents?It turns out, I love them.

Not too long ago, our cartilage free captain Ledley King was arrested for racially abusing a door man at a bar, and if believed, said some really nasty stuff. And capped it off by punching him in the face. Jermain Defoe bit Javier Mascherano in the middle of a football match. (Not to mention Defoe's countless infidelities)I love both of these players. We all do. Ledley King holds anointed status with every fan of this club. But he's done some condemnable things. Our first instinct is to say, "That guy's full of crap, Ledley was drunk, it probably wasn't that bad." Which may be true. But those same words out of a Chelsea fan's mouth about John Terry would be met with eye-rolling derision.

Jermain Defoe isn't held in quite the same regard as St. Ledley, but he's still a Yiddo. And he bit somebody in a football match.Here's what then-coach Martin Jol had to say about Defoe's mid-game snack:

He was nibbling his arm - there will be no mark.
Ask Mascherano if he has got a mark.It is part of the game.
They kicked him three times from behind in 10 minutes and he wanted to show his frustration in a nice, comical way.

Are you kidding me? We'd be having Brendan Rodgers for lunch if he said Luis Suarez merely engaged in a comical nibble.And the worst part is? I don't even remember Jermain Defoe doing this. It sounded familiar when someone mentioned that it happened, but no part of my brain actively retained this information. How is this possible? We've seen over the past 24 hours that biting someone is literally the craziest and worst thing you could do on a football pitch. It's possible because Jermain Defoe isn't a villain.We can all make excuses for why this is the case. Defoe's not a repeat offender. Ledley didn't abuse anyone on the pitch. Suarez abused people andbit people, so it's worse. But ultimately it's semantics.

I have no idea why some people rise to the status of True Evil while others are merely badboys of football, and some get a pass altogether. But we need to appreciate that we all hold dear some rather rough-around-the-edges sorts. Even if they're not crucified by the media.

Every club has had their share of reprehensible characters. Manchester City has been home to Joey Barton(put a cigar out in a teammate's eye, for one), Ben Thatcher (head-hunted Pedro Mendes on the field and hospitalized him with a forearm to the skull), and Mario Balotelli (ate a baby, probably). United's home to Robin van Persie and Jonny Evans, who have been accused of rape, in addition to the aforementioned Scholes and Giggs.

We've got Defoe and Ledley.At what point are we obligated to stop supporting our players? At what point does the club have a responsibility to cut ties with these monsters? At what point does it become so bad that all right-thinking people would stop supporting the team altogether?I have no idea.

But until we have our own house in order, it's probably good idea not to tell other clubs and fans how to behave.But that's not to say we lose all right to moral outrage.

What Luis Suarez did was unreservedly wrong and deserves blanket criticism from every corner of the world. No matter what terrible characters happen to play for the club you support. Just because John Terry is a piece of shit doesn't mean Luis Suarez isn't also a piece of shit. And Chelsea fans can still hate Luis Suarez. And if Ledley King is a piece of shit, I'm not going to hate John Terry any less, even if it's completely unfair. I believe we still have the right to hate other players even if our own players are just as bad. That's rivalry, that's competition, that's sports. But it stinks of hypocrisy to pretend that we're any better than other fans. We're not.

Ultimately we're all a bunch of idiots who care way too much about grown manchildren running around chasing a ball. Who are also idiots. And we're all going to act in completely stupid, irrational ways. Some of us just wear different colored kits.

http://www.cartilagefreecaptain.com/2013/4/22/4251988/luis-suarez
 
I saw the Independent were running with a 7 game ban story. I think it will be thereabouts.
 
Tyson began following Suarez’s Twitter account straight after Liverpool drew 2-2 with Chelsea, and it didn’t take long for everyone to notice.

Now Tyson has spoken about why he is following the Anfield attacker.

During an interview on The David Glenn Show to promote his new show “Mike Tyson: Undisputed Truth”, David Glenn asked Iron Mike about why he is now a Suarez fan. Tyson replied:

I just sort of got on the the Twitter thing and I said hey, um, this is an interesting guy, let me follow him, check him out, see what his journey’s all about. You know, he bit somebody, you know s*** happens, you know what I mean? I’m sure he made amends with his guy, I made amends with Evander, and we go on with our lives.
 
I saw the Independent were running with a 7 game ban story. I think it will be thereabouts.

I think it has to be less than the ban last year - and probably more than EBJT because Suarez isn't an Englishman.

5-7 games I can live with, but I'm hoping 'till season's end'
 
Anyone else think he may be getting a 10+ match ban?

Yes - whatever the ban turns out to be, I'm sure we will be shocked by the length of it. The FA are a bunch of stuffed shirts who entertain a huge prejudice against Suarez and will be delighted by the opportunity he has handed them to hit him hard.
 
Poor Suarez, everyone's out to get him. Lets ignore the fact he brings it on himself everytime.

I wish people would take their own advice sometimes, when you talk about hypocrisy and lack of consistency of the FA on the one hand all the while telling everyone what a special club we are because we do things the right way and represent what's right with the game. But then you bend over backwards to defend some diving, cheating racist fuckwit who goes around biting people.

We either are the club that does things the right way or we support this fucking moron 100%. You can't have it both way.
 
I'm not winding anyone up, instead of moaning about the FA and how bad they are people should be considering why he keeps ending up in front of them
 
Yes - whatever the ban turns out to be, I'm sure we will be shocked by the length of it. The FA are a bunch of stuffed shirts who entertain a huge prejudice against Suarez and will be delighted by the opportunity he has handed them to hit him hard.

Well they have already said the usual 3 match ban for violent conduct is "clearly insufficient in these circumstances", so they have obviously made their minds up to some extent at least before the hearing has even started.
 
I'm not winding anyone up, instead of moaning about the FA and how bad they are people should be considering why he keeps ending up in front of them

I'd be more willing to take your line of thinking if you'd have had valid explanations for why others who have done as bad, if not worse, haven't (be it racism, extremely dangerous tackles - which are worse than biting, biting etc).

Suarez is worth keeping, so you take the good with the bad. I just hope the ban is realistic. If it's over 10 games, even you'll have to question what makes biting worse than racism, irresponsible (not intentional - i.e. taylor on eduardo) leg breaking tackles etc ...
 
No ones doubting that, just the inconsistency shown at all levels across the FA. If Suarez gets a ban similar to Ben Thatcher then it's an absolute travesty.
 
And precisely what has the Cantona (or any other incident) got to do with it? Do we gauge how acceptable it is simply by comparing it to other despicable acts?

Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what Man Utd find acceptable. He bit someone. That's inexcusable, whichever way you look at it. I'm not sure telling him it's naughty and fining him a couple of week's wages really puts us in the clear.

Unusually for you, you sail right past the point here. What I was comparing wasn't the two incidents but the reactions to them. The reaction to Suarez' admitted piece of stupidity - including, I'm afraid, the post from you to which the above was a reply - was and remains wildly OTT.
 
I'd be more willing to take your line of thinking if you'd have had valid explanations for why others who have done as bad, if not worse, haven't (be it racism, extremely dangerous tackles - which are worse than biting, biting etc).

Cantona got 8 months, I dont think he will get anything like that, I think it will be less than 10 games

And he can count himself lucky he did it against a team managed by Rafa, if it had been Mourinhos Chelsea he would be calling for the death penalty
 
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