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I rate Kuyt but he can be infuriating at times and I can see why others might not rate him as good enough for the starting XI.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38822.msg1050406#msg1050406 date=1265483499]
I rate Kuyt but he can be infuriating at times and I can see why others might not rate him as good enough for the starting XI.
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Have you forgiven him now as well mate?
 
I always respected the job he did for the team Rafa, but like many on here I wanted him dropped when he was in that prolonged funk. He was very shit for a long time. I like many things about the guy but when he goes off the boil he is a nightmare.
 
Yes, he can be infuriating but, he has that never-say-die attitude and no ego.

Everything he does is for the team.

He's one of those players who really appreciates what he has and never takes the piss.

I can forgive him any number of fluffed chances because I know he'll just keep going, playing through the shit times until it comes right.

Him and Carrar were so vital in that win over Spurs.

They were both captains that night.
 
[quote author=Stu link=topic=38822.msg1050413#msg1050413 date=1265483853]
I always respected the job he did for the team Rafa, but like many on here I wanted him dropped when he was in that prolonged funk. He was very shit for a long time. I like many things about the guy but when he goes off the boil he is a nightmare.
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I was referring to our little chat after he'd missed that sitter v Stoke ;D

Yeah i tend to agree with you regarding Dirk.
 
I don't recall our chat mate, but I can still remember the absolute torture that miss was.

EDIT - I just looked it up, the emotions were running high!!
 
Agree wit ltw and whad, i would agree with them sooo much more if they said this site had a fair few egotistical morons
 
[quote author=Asim link=topic=38822.msg1050431#msg1050431 date=1265484702]
Agree wit ltw and whad, i would agree with them sooo much more if they said this site had a fair few egotistical morons
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PYOW ! PYOW !
 
I'm not his biggest, biggest fan, although he grew a lot on me last season and in parts of this one too.

He's too inconsistent to be an 'untouchable', and I think he should be played as a striker more, but meh, he scores the big goals and works his ass off for the red shirt so they've become minor gripes.

I knew he'd score today and said so, because grabbing a goal when we *really* need it is what Dirk's all about.
 
Whilst over the course of a season, I think we need better on the wings. Today, he was excellent. Great hard working performance in a game where we really needed determination, grit and work rate to make up for our one man disadvantage. He also showed some nice touches today with another goal from a setpiece. He's a great poacher in those situations.

Incidentally, Babel was (really) shite. His laziness in the last couple of minutes really p*ssed me off today. N'Gog is the better prospect right now. He showed some good (tactical) maturity holding the ball up at times and wasn't totally bullied off it (like how he was against Stoke). Hopefully he continues to improve.
 
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1050415#msg1050415 date=1265484017]
Yes, he can be infuriating but, he has that never-say-die attitude and no ego.

Everything he does is for the team.

He's one of those players who really appreciates what he has and never takes the piss.

I can forgive him any number of fluffed chances because I know he'll just keep going, playing through the shit times until it comes right.

Him and Carrar were so vital in that win over Spurs.

They were both captains that night.[/quote]

Ok Themn, but when's he struggling for form, should he be undroppable? That is the issue most of us struggle with. When he's on form (and I said he's 'get back to form' against Spurs), he's a fantastic asset to the team ... but can we carry him when he's NOT just because he runs a lot?
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=38822.msg1050436#msg1050436 date=1265484908]
Ryan is bang on, there's some proper thick cunts on this thread.
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So let's see if Ryan rates your football mind - do you continue playing Kuyt when he goes on his 2-3 month spells where he gets a goal or two but is generally woeful? Or do you admit he should NEVER be undroppable?

If you really think Ryan is bang on, I'll be thoroughly disappointed because I always thought you were one of the best football posters we had on this site and anyone who thinks Kuyt should play every game (like Ryan is saying) knows shit about football in my opinion.
 
I know I'm a lurker generally and this post will almost certainly be ignored but the same person who started this thread about Dirk also started this one:

http://sixcrazyminutes.com/forums/index.php?topic=38801.0

Surely love of these two things are mutually exclusive?

It's great when Dirk crops up with the odd goal and you really can't fault his work rate but that's his primary asset. The truth is that his touch is abysmal (and I'd like to be clear that this is his only fault) and we can do better. He's a trier and it pains me to say it because I'd love him to be a good enough footballer for us. But he isn't.
 
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[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1050415#msg1050415 date=1265484017]
Yes, he can be infuriating but, he has that never-say-die attitude and no ego.

Everything he does is for the team.

He's one of those players who really appreciates what he has and never takes the piss.

I can forgive him any number of fluffed chances because I know he'll just keep going, playing through the shit times until it comes right.

Him and Carrar were so vital in that win over Spurs.

They were both captains that night.[/quote]

Ok Themn, but when's he struggling for form, should he be undroppable? That is the issue most of us struggle with. When he's on form (and I said he's 'get back to form' against Spurs), he's a fantastic asset to the team ... but can we carry him when he's NOT just because he runs a lot?
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For me, he's undroppable.

Maybe I'm being illogical but I don't care.

There were people calling for Jamie to be sat down earlier in the season but Rafa persisted and he's proving to be vital (once again).

Dirk is in that category for me.
 
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[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1050415#msg1050415 date=1265484017]
Yes, he can be infuriating but, he has that never-say-die attitude and no ego.

Everything he does is for the team.

He's one of those players who really appreciates what he has and never takes the piss.

I can forgive him any number of fluffed chances because I know he'll just keep going, playing through the shit times until it comes right.

Him and Carrar were so vital in that win over Spurs.

They were both captains that night.[/quote]

Ok Themn, but when's he struggling for form, should he be undroppable? That is the issue most of us struggle with. When he's on form (and I said he's 'get back to form' against Spurs), he's a fantastic asset to the team ... but can we carry him when he's NOT just because he runs a lot?
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For me, he's undroppable.

Maybe I'm being illogical but I don't care.

There were people calling for Jamie to be sat down earlier in the season but Rafa persisted and he's proving to be vital (once again).

Dirk is in that category for me.
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Ok - at least you're honest (and fall under Ryan's 'know everything about footy' category, which is a good thing! 🙂)

I don't agree - there's a big difference between Carra (or Stevie/Torres) and Kuyt (He didn't get dropped for a year in the epl when he couldn't buy a league goal) ... On form, there's no sane person who can say he doesn't belong in our 1st 11 as a RW or ST. But when off form? I guess maybe if we had better options to replace him with (when he's off form), people would be more open to the idea of it ..
 
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[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1050559#msg1050559 date=1265496519]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=38822.msg1050550#msg1050550 date=1265495231]
[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1050415#msg1050415 date=1265484017]
Yes, he can be infuriating but, he has that never-say-die attitude and no ego.

Everything he does is for the team.

He's one of those players who really appreciates what he has and never takes the piss.

I can forgive him any number of fluffed chances because I know he'll just keep going, playing through the shit times until it comes right.

Him and Carrar were so vital in that win over Spurs.

They were both captains that night.[/quote]

Ok Themn, but when's he struggling for form, should he be undroppable? That is the issue most of us struggle with. When he's on form (and I said he's 'get back to form' against Spurs), he's a fantastic asset to the team ... but can we carry him when he's NOT just because he runs a lot?
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For me, he's undroppable.

Maybe I'm being illogical but I don't care.

There were people calling for Jamie to be sat down earlier in the season but Rafa persisted and he's proving to be vital (once again).

Dirk is in that category for me.
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Ok - at least you're honest (and fall under Ryan's 'know everything about footy' category, which is a good thing! 🙂)

I don't agree - there's a big difference between Carra (or Stevie/Torres) and Kuyt (He didn't get dropped for a year in the epl when he couldn't buy a league goal) ... On form, there's no sane person who can say he doesn't belong in our 1st 11 as a RW or ST. But when off form? I guess maybe if we had better options to replace him with (when he's off form), people would be more open to the idea of it ..
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I don't claim to know much about football but I feel Dirk is an integral and important part of this team.

Maybe if we had an undeniable alternative I'd feel differently.......maybe lol !
 
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[quote author=themn link=topic=38822.msg1050415#msg1050415 date=1265484017]
Yes, he can be infuriating but, he has that never-say-die attitude and no ego.

Everything he does is for the team.

He's one of those players who really appreciates what he has and never takes the piss.

I can forgive him any number of fluffed chances because I know he'll just keep going, playing through the shit times until it comes right.

Him and Carrar were so vital in that win over Spurs.

They were both captains that night.[/quote]

Ok Themn, but when's he struggling for form, should he be undroppable? That is the issue most of us struggle with. When he's on form (and I said he's 'get back to form' against Spurs), he's a fantastic asset to the team ... but can we carry him when he's NOT just because he runs a lot?
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For me, he's undroppable.

Maybe I'm being illogical but I don't care.

There were people calling for Jamie to be sat down earlier in the season but Rafa persisted and he's proving to be vital (once again).

Dirk is in that category for me.
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Ok - at least you're honest (and fall under Ryan's 'know everything about footy' category, which is a good thing! 🙂)

I don't agree - there's a big difference between Carra (or Stevie/Torres) and Kuyt (He didn't get dropped for a year in the epl when he couldn't buy a league goal) ... On form, there's no sane person who can say he doesn't belong in our 1st 11 as a RW or ST. But when off form? I guess maybe if we had better options to replace him with (when he's off form), people would be more open to the idea of it ..
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Can somebody please explain the difference between an on form and an off form Dirk Kuyt? He cannot control the football so all that seems to happen when he's "on form" is that it bounces in off him a few more times than it bounces somewhere else. It's like the emperor's new clothes this whole "when he's on form" nonsense. Yes he tries hard but come on.....he'd get nowhere near the Chelsea, Arse, Manure teams. What other teams were in for him went we bought him? I desperately want him to be the new Keegan/Dalglish but he's more like the new Leonhardsen.
 
[quote author=miker221 link=topic=38822.msg1050574#msg1050574 date=1265500294] I desperately want him to be the new Keegan/Dalglish but he's more like the new Leonhardsen.


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Keegan and Dalglish were nothing like each other

edit: and to compare him to Leonhardsen is utterly ridiculous
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=38822.msg1050575#msg1050575 date=1265500491]
[quote author=miker221 link=topic=38822.msg1050574#msg1050574 date=1265500294] I desperately want him to be the new Keegan/Dalglish but he's more like the new Leonhardsen.


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Keegan and Dalglish were nothing like each other

edit: and to compare him to Leonhardsen is utterly ridiculous
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Kuyt is a legend.

However, let's face it, he's no world beater.

We need water carriers and workhorses, but they have to be mixed with some sexy Fernandos sauce.

World-class + workrate=Barcelona.

Bite me.
 
[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38822.msg1050520#msg1050520 date=1265491845]
Incidentally, Babel was (really) shite. His laziness in the last couple of minutes really p*ssed me off today. N'Gog is the better prospect right now. He showed some good (tactical) maturity holding the ball up at times and wasn't totally bullied off it (like how he was against Stoke). Hopefully he continues to improve.
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I agree. Babel never fails to disappoint. When Rafa brought him on to replace N'Gog, I foolishly thought that might be a good move as Babel is physically stronger. But Babel persists with his peculiar lazy attitude, refusing to chase balls, which for a man playing on his own up front is a bit of a weakness.

N'Gog has proved that he is efficient at taking chances when they come his way, and his build-up play isn't yet very good, but it's improving all the time.
 
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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38822.msg1050520#msg1050520 date=1265491845]
Incidentally, Babel was (really) shite. His laziness in the last couple of minutes really p*ssed me off today. N'Gog is the better prospect right now. He showed some good (tactical) maturity holding the ball up at times and wasn't totally bullied off it (like how he was against Stoke). Hopefully he continues to improve.
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I agree. Babel never fails to disappoint. When Rafa brought him on to replace N'Gog, I foolishly thought that might be a good move as Babel is physically stronger. But Babel persists with his peculiar lazy attitude, refusing to chase balls, which for a man playing on his own up front is a bit of a weakness.

N'Gog has proved that he is efficient at taking chances when they come his way, and his build-up play isn't yet very good, but it's improving all the time.
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And let's not forget that, for all the abuse he takes in some corners (often all too predictable), he was the lad who muscled aki out of it, when fighting for the ball, and won the corner that brought us the goal. He played his part today and no mistake.
 
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[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=38822.msg1050520#msg1050520 date=1265491845]
Incidentally, Babel was (really) shite. His laziness in the last couple of minutes really p*ssed me off today. N'Gog is the better prospect right now. He showed some good (tactical) maturity holding the ball up at times and wasn't totally bullied off it (like how he was against Stoke). Hopefully he continues to improve.
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I agree. Babel never fails to disappoint. When Rafa brought him on to replace N'Gog, I foolishly thought that might be a good move as Babel is physically stronger. But Babel persists with his peculiar lazy attitude, refusing to chase balls, which for a man playing on his own up front is a bit of a weakness.

N'Gog has proved that he is efficient at taking chances when they come his way, and his build-up play isn't yet very good, but it's improving all the time.
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Babel has no touch and cannot hold the ball so that other team mate might be played in. Strange footballer who cost us 11 m
 
I'm pleased that the good run of Premier League results we have had lately, in spite of injuries, has been in no small part down to the commitment and heart of players whom people tend to look down on, e.g. N'Gog, Skrtel, Insua, Kuyt, Kyrgiakos ....... yes and Lucas.
 
I was pleased with the way N'Gog held his own against Distin, as he's one if the strongest and fastest defenders about.
 
[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=38822.msg1050588#msg1050588 date=1265502989]
Kuyt is a legend.

However, let's face it, he's no world beater.

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I'm really struggling with this one.
 
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