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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35620.msg939414#msg939414 date=1252270920]
BTW Hungary used to be brilliant at football too. Now they're shit. Why's that? You can't blame EVERYTHING on foreigners in the PL.
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*borrows Rage's footballing mind for a moment*


Yeah but that's Rafa's fault for not giving Nemeth a chance.
 
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[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35620.msg939402#msg939402 date=1252268001]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35620.msg939377#msg939377 date=1252264269]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35620.msg939272#msg939272 date=1252238082]
[quote author=the count link=topic=35620.msg939252#msg939252 date=1252231986]
I didn't get to see Ireland beat Cyprus last night but having read a couple of match reports I am very confused as to how well we played. One report (BBC) said that we were pretty poor and were very fortunate to get a victory while the other one (Irish Times) seemed to say that we played pretty well, created plenty of goal scoring opportunities and deserved the win. ???

Did any one see the game and how did we do. I presume our centre midfield is still our main weakness?
[/quote]

We were pretty poor.

We did have a couple of chances but then so did they. Our two central midfielders were invisible for large parts of the game. After getting the goal we just sat back and let them come at us.

We got the win thanks to a good cross from the right by Duff, their two centre backs being asleep and their goalkeeper being absolutely shite -  Leaving Keane with a header that he just needed to get on target for it to go in, which he did.


[/quote]

As usual, all pretty much spot on until we get to Keane.

Now, whilst agreeing 100% that he was at his most inuriating, annoying, whinging, flapping his arms and complaining like a cnut worst last night, even for you, that's a bit much about "all" that he had to do.

Had somebody other than him gotten to it, you'd applauding their predatory instincts and bravery.

Again, he pulls our fat out of the fire, having again done f#$! all for the majority of the match.  Which pretty much sums up how decidedly average we are, and how, with THAT team, we'll play three games and come home next summer.

The influx of ridiculous money and top dollar foriegn imports into the English and Scottish leagues has killed the standard of the other "home" nations.
[/quote]

Right. So you're saying it's the Brits' fault that the Irish are shit at football?

[/quote]

I'm saying that 15/20 years ago, before the English league was competing with the Italian and Spanish leagues for the world's best foreign players, we (Ireland) had several, if not most of their starting 11 playing, week in, week out at the very top clubs in England (Liverpool - Whelan, Beglin, Staunton, Houghton, Aldridge.  Man U - Keane, Irwin, Moran, McGrath, etc...), as did Scotland, Wales and to a lesser extent, Norn Iron.

Now, take a look at any of the "local" nations not called England, and see how many of their strongest teams are in clubs of the same standard...  Not a lot, mate.  Our most important players are Fulham's goalie, Aston Villa's newest (and aging) center back and Spurs' forward.

Times have changed Bunny.  And those changes have been detrimental to the fortunes of the smaller "home" nations at international level.  17 year old Whelans and Irwins and Mc Graths and Whitesides, etc... are not making it in England like they used to, largerly because of the influx of insane money, which led to attracting foriegn players (and coaches) in never before witnessed numbers, taking the spots that were previously available (to be faught for, at least) to home grown talent.

It's not about 'fault', Bunny.  I'm not an England hater, nor is this a conspiracy theory.  It's part of how the game has changed...

It just is.  And I'm not wrong about it, mate.
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There's plenty of English players making it in the EPL - not as many as their used to be but arguably they're of a higher standard. I see little difference.
 
You only have to look at the academies of some of the clubs in the Premiership to see that the influx of foreign players is making it harder for local players to make it, however on the whole, I think it's a bit lazy to pin the failings of our national teams on this as there are many factors that come into it and (in my opinion) play a much bigger part.

We're still seeing clubs build their team around local players: Sunderland paid big money for Gordon, Spurs for Hutton as well as a number of players from the Championship, Everton made a success of Lescott, Ireland has made himself central to the plans of the richest club in the world (for now), Arsenal paid good money for Ramsey and Walcott and so forth and so forth.

I think there is at times a reluctance to admit that sometimes the players are just not there. We're all so used to seeing teams buy their way out of trouble at club level these days, it's hard to accept that a teams failings at international level can be there for a good number of years with no viable solution other than a best effort at masking them tactically.

People talked about the quality of Spain for years and years, but it's only now that they've finally won something and are living up to the hype. Is it merely a coincidence that this has happened at a time when they've got top class players in almost every position who have all matured at round about the same time?
 
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[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35620.msg939409#msg939409 date=1252269749]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35620.msg939402#msg939402 date=1252268001]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=35620.msg939377#msg939377 date=1252264269]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35620.msg939272#msg939272 date=1252238082]
[quote author=the count link=topic=35620.msg939252#msg939252 date=1252231986]
I didn't get to see Ireland beat Cyprus last night but having read a couple of match reports I am very confused as to how well we played. One report (BBC) said that we were pretty poor and were very fortunate to get a victory while the other one (Irish Times) seemed to say that we played pretty well, created plenty of goal scoring opportunities and deserved the win. ???

Did any one see the game and how did we do. I presume our centre midfield is still our main weakness?
[/quote]

We were pretty poor.

We did have a couple of chances but then so did they. Our two central midfielders were invisible for large parts of the game. After getting the goal we just sat back and let them come at us.

We got the win thanks to a good cross from the right by Duff, their two centre backs being asleep and their goalkeeper being absolutely shite - Leaving Keane with a header that he just needed to get on target for it to go in, which he did.


[/quote]

As usual, all pretty much spot on until we get to Keane.

Now, whilst agreeing 100% that he was at his most inuriating, annoying, whinging, flapping his arms and complaining like a cnut worst last night, even for you, that's a bit much about "all" that he had to do.

Had somebody other than him gotten to it, you'd applauding their predatory instincts and bravery.

Again, he pulls our fat out of the fire, having again done f#$! all for the majority of the match. Which pretty much sums up how decidedly average we are, and how, with THAT team, we'll play three games and come home next summer.

The influx of ridiculous money and top dollar foriegn imports into the English and Scottish leagues has killed the standard of the other "home" nations.
[/quote]

Right. So you're saying it's the Brits' fault that the Irish are shit at football?

[/quote]

I'm saying that 15/20 years ago, before the English league was competing with the Italian and Spanish leagues for the world's best foreign players, we (Ireland) had several, if not most of their starting 11 playing, week in, week out at the very top clubs in England (Liverpool - Whelan, Beglin, Staunton, Houghton, Aldridge. Man U - Keane, Irwin, Moran, McGrath, etc...), as did Scotland, Wales and to a lesser extent, Norn Iron.

Now, take a look at any of the "local" nations not called England, and see how many of their strongest teams are in clubs of the same standard... Not a lot, mate. Our most important players are Fulham's goalie, Aston Villa's newest (and aging) center back and Spurs' forward.

Times have changed Bunny. And those changes have been detrimental to the fortunes of the smaller "home" nations at international level. 17 year old Whelans and Irwins and Mc Graths and Whitesides, etc... are not making it in England like they used to, largerly because of the influx of insane money, which led to attracting foriegn players (and coaches) in never before witnessed numbers, taking the spots that were previously available (to be faught for, at least) to home grown talent.

It's not about 'fault', Bunny. I'm not an England hater, nor is this a conspiracy theory. It's part of how the game has changed...

It just is. And I'm not wrong about it, mate.
[/quote]

There's plenty of English players making it in the EPL - not as many as their used to be but arguably they're of a higher standard. I see little difference.
[/quote]

Hence my whole point was about Irish, Scottish and Welsh players...
 
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35620.msg939413#msg939413 date=1252270841]
It was a joke, Whaddapie. You've got to lighten up man.

[/quote]

Ah, come on Bunny...

I couldn't judge your tone, and it's not like I jumped down your throat, mate.

I'm quite light at the minute, believe it or not... No work tomorrow. Solid interview for a new job last week.

Fingers crossed, things are looking up.
 
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35620.msg939272#msg939272 date=1252238082]
[quote author=the count link=topic=35620.msg939252#msg939252 date=1252231986]
I didn't get to see Ireland beat Cyprus last night but having read a couple of match reports I am very confused as to how well we played. One report (BBC) said that we were pretty poor and were very fortunate to get a victory while the other one (Irish Times) seemed to say that we played pretty well, created plenty of goal scoring opportunities and deserved the win. ???

Did any one see the game and how did we do. I presume our centre midfield is still our main weakness?
[/quote]

We were pretty poor.

We did have a couple of chances but then so did they. Our two central midfielders were invisible for large parts of the game. After getting the goal we just sat back and let them come at us.

We got the win thanks to a good cross from the right by Duff, their two centre backs being asleep and their goalkeeper being absolutely shite - Leaving Keane with a header that he just needed to get on target for it to go in, which he did.


[/quote]

As usual, all pretty much spot on until we get to Keane.

Now, whilst agreeing 100% that he was at his most inuriating, annoying, whinging, flapping his arms and complaining like a cnut worst last night, even for you, that's a bit much about "all" that he had to do.

Had somebody other than him gotten to it, you'd applauding their predatory instincts and bravery.

Again, he pulls our fat out of the fire, having again done f#$! all for the majority of the match. Which pretty much sums up how decidedly average we are, and how, with THAT team, we'll play three games and come home next summer.

The influx of ridiculous money and top dollar foriegn imports into the English and Scottish leagues has killed the standard of the other "home" nations.
[/quote]

Absolutely spot on.

Quite how somebody who Ross has labelled "shite" and has a "shit first touch" has managed to score more goals and win more games for us than anyone in our history is phenomenal.

He must be very lucky that Keane boy.

He's practically carrying us to this World Cup.
 
I said he was average in everything he does, which he is.

It's all well and good knocking in goals against a side that you'd manage to score against Ryan but he can't cut it at the top level of the game as we already know.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35620.msg939517#msg939517 date=1252306353]
I said he was average in everything he does, which he is.

It's all well and good knocking in goals against a side that you'd manage to score against Ryan but he can't cut it at the top level of the game as we already know.
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There are only a handful of players around who've scored more goals than him in the last 5 odd years of the Premier League.

And even less who've scored more International goals in the last 10 years.

I get that you don't like him, we all fucking get it. But arguing with his record is stupid.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35620.msg939272#msg939272 date=1252238082]
[quote author=the count link=topic=35620.msg939252#msg939252 date=1252231986]
I didn't get to see Ireland beat Cyprus last night but having read a couple of match reports I am very confused as to how well we played. One report (BBC) said that we were pretty poor and were very fortunate to get a victory while the other one (Irish Times) seemed to say that we played pretty well, created plenty of goal scoring opportunities and deserved the win. ???

Did any one see the game and how did we do. I presume our centre midfield is still our main weakness?
[/quote]

We were pretty poor.

We did have a couple of chances but then so did they. Our two central midfielders were invisible for large parts of the game. After getting the goal we just sat back and let them come at us.

We got the win thanks to a good cross from the right by Duff, their two centre backs being asleep and their goalkeeper being absolutely shite - Leaving Keane with a header that he just needed to get on target for it to go in, which he did.


[/quote]

Rosco your post shows your absolutely blinkered view of Robbie.

Thank God for a great cross from Duff. Thank God that their two centre backs were asleep. Thank God that theirs goalkeeper was shite. Then and only then could the impossibly shite Keane have managed to score the winner for us. Once again.
 
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=35620.msg939653#msg939653 date=1252323672]

Thank God for a great cross from Duff. Thank God that their two centre backs were asleep. Thank God that theirs goalkeeper was shite. Then and only then could the impossibly shite Keane have managed to score the winner for us. Once again.
[/quote]

I can't find a link to the goal but I'd like people to watch it and tell me :

a) Was it a great cross by Duff ?

b) Were the centre backs doing a good job ?

c) Did the goalkeeper make a good decision to come out for a ball he never had a chance to get to ?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35620.msg939656#msg939656 date=1252324006]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=35620.msg939653#msg939653 date=1252323672]

Thank God for a great cross from Duff. Thank God that their two centre backs were asleep. Thank God that theirs goalkeeper was shite. Then and only then could the impossibly shite Keane have managed to score the winner for us. Once again.
[/quote]

I can't find a link to the goal but I'd like people to watch it and tell me :

a) Was it a great cross by Duff ?

b) Were the centre backs doing a good job ?

c) Did the goalkeeper make a good decision to come out for a ball he never had a chance to get to ?




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a b or c are not the point Rosco and you know it. Your original post was prepared to give the credit for the winning goal to everyone except the person who actually scored it.

So it was pure luck that he just happened to head it correctly having just managed to get himself in exactly the right position. Again
 
Not pure luck, he did what he was supposed to do.

If we conceded a goal like that however the football forum would go into melt down
 
I'm noy keanes biggest fan and he can be infuriating a lot of the time but as ryan said he's practically carrying us to this world cup. He's a striker and he's scoring goals, thats pretty much job done.
 
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[quote author=the count link=topic=35620.msg939252#msg939252 date=1252231986]
I didn't get to see Ireland beat Cyprus last night but having read a couple of match reports I am very confused as to how well we played. One report (BBC) said that we were pretty poor and were very fortunate to get a victory while the other one (Irish Times) seemed to say that we played pretty well, created plenty of goal scoring opportunities and deserved the win. ???

Did any one see the game and how did we do. I presume our centre midfield is still our main weakness?
[/quote]

We were pretty poor.

We did have a couple of chances but then so did they. Our two central midfielders were invisible for large parts of the game. After getting the goal we just sat back and let them come at us.

We got the win thanks to a good cross from the right by Duff, their two centre backs being asleep and their goalkeeper being absolutely shite -  Leaving Keane with a header that he just needed to get on target for it to go in, which he did.


[/quote]

As usual, all pretty much spot on until we get to Keane.

Now, whilst agreeing 100% that he was at his most inuriating, annoying, whinging, flapping his arms and complaining like a cnut worst last night, even for you, that's a bit much about "all" that he had to do.

Had somebody other than him gotten to it, you'd applauding their predatory instincts and bravery.

Again, he pulls our fat out of the fire, having again done f#$! all for the majority of the match.  Which pretty much sums up how decidedly average we are, and how, with THAT team, we'll play three games and come home next summer.

The influx of ridiculous money and top dollar foriegn imports into the English and Scottish leagues has killed the standard of the other "home" nations.
[/quote]

Right. So you're saying it's the Brits' fault that the Irish are shit at football?

[/quote]

I'm saying that 15/20 years ago, before the English league was competing with the Italian and Spanish leagues for the world's best foreign players, we (Ireland) had several, if not most of their starting 11 playing, week in, week out at the very top clubs in England (Liverpool - Whelan, Beglin, Staunton, Houghton, Aldridge.  Man U - Keane, Irwin, Moran, McGrath, etc...), as did Scotland, Wales and to a lesser extent, Norn Iron.

Now, take a look at any of the "local" nations not called England, and see how many of their strongest teams are in clubs of the same standard...  Not a lot, mate.  Our most important players are Fulham's goalie, Aston Villa's newest (and aging) center back and Spurs' forward.

Times have changed Bunny.  And those changes have been detrimental to the fortunes of the smaller "home" nations at international level.  17 year old Whelans and Irwins and Mc Graths and Whitesides, etc... are not making it in England like they used to, largerly because of the influx of insane money, which led to attracting foriegn players (and coaches) in never before witnessed numbers, taking the spots that were previously available (to be faught for, at least) to home grown talent.

It's not about 'fault', Bunny.  I'm not an England hater, nor is this a conspiracy theory.  It's part of how the game has changed...

It just is.  And I'm not wrong about it, mate.
[/quote]

There's plenty of English players making it in the EPL - not as many as their used to be but arguably they're of a higher standard. I see little difference.
[/quote]

Hence my whole point was about Irish, Scottish and Welsh players...
[/quote]

No I get it, but why do we have the most talented English team we've seen for a long time whilst a decline in talent of other home-nation countries?

If scouts have simply stopped searching for talent in these regions, then there must be a fundamental problem with the infrastructure of the game in these areas.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35620.msg939750#msg939750 date=1252334740]
When are Mascher and Lucas due back ?

I hate to think who might be playing in midfield for us this weekend.
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No need to worry, we've got our "Big hope"

7enoz3fcc26c3m6kg56g.jpg
 
[quote author=jan link=topic=35620.msg939761#msg939761 date=1252337649]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35620.msg939750#msg939750 date=1252334740]
When are Mascher and Lucas due back ?

I hate to think who might be playing in midfield for us this weekend.
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No need to worry, we've got our "Big hope"

7enoz3fcc26c3m6kg56g.jpg

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What exactly is the guy in the red shirt trying to do?
 
[quote author=23carragold link=topic=35620.msg940766#msg940766 date=1252522610]
Anyone got a Stream for Northern Ireland games please!!
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Anyone? ive got an irrate northern irish girlfriend!!
 
no worries, id checked the usual places myself, and there dint seem to be anything!!

But thought id give you guys a try!!

Ah well they're losing anyway!!
 
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