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that pesky rafa cunt.... right fucked us over...
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that pesky rafa cunt.... right fucked us over...
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I've been reading the book. Interesting stuff. We all know Rafa's hands were handcuffed by the two cunts and Parry but this book really reinforces this.
that pesky rafa cunt.... right fucked us over...
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I've been reading the book. Interesting stuff. We all know Rafa's hands were handcuffed by the two cunts and Parry but this book really reinforces this.
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[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=45012.msg1327422#msg1327422 date=1304624347]
that pesky rafa cunt.... right fucked us over...
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I've been reading the book. Interesting stuff. We all know Rafa's hands were handcuffed by the two cunts and Parry but this book really reinforces this.
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Reminds me of the guy I know who worked in a madly dysfunctional company. He really delivered the goods for them, in spite of madness all around. Eventually left. But it's almost like that mad place brought the best out of him performance wise for some reason
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that pesky rafa cunt.... right fucked us over...
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I've been reading the book. Interesting stuff. We all know Rafa's hands were handcuffed by the two cunts and Parry but this book really reinforces this.
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Reminds me of the guy I know who worked in a madly dysfunctional company. He really delivered the goods for them, in spite of madness all around. Eventually left. But it's almost like that mad place brought the best out of him performance wise for some reason
NICE CLUB - WE'LL TAKE IT - Part 2 of the EPIC SWINDLE SERIALIZATION
THE SANDON is a big, working-class pub on a bleak, semi-derelict road, unremarkable except for the fact that on March 15, 1892, in one of its snugs, Liverpool Football Club came screaming and kicking into the world.
Back in those pre-Boer war days the Sandon was where the players would change into their knickerbockers and directors and fans would take porter and ale before ambling to a patch of grass a goalie’s clearance away, called Anfield.
What better venue then for the descendants of those Victorian pioneers to gather 116 years later to formulate a way of reclaiming the old club?
The news that Tom Hicks and George Gillett were attempting to refinance their initial loans by putting £350 million of debt on LFC lit the fuse that sparked a fans’ explosion.
Supporters group Reclaim The Kop called for a mass demonstration at the game against Aston Villa on January 21 and towards the end fans sang the chant that would become a classic of the cause: “ Get out of our club, you lying b******s, get out of our club.â€
Peter Hooton, lead singer of The Farm and a lifelong Liverpool fan, was conscious of a group called Liverpool Supporters Network, who were trying to bring websites and fanzines together to unite against the Americans.
He contacted the men behind it, Andy Heaton and Dave Usher and proposed that instead of everyone being a website warrior in their own bedroom, they held face-to-face meetings and worked out a proper line of attack.
The idea of a mass meeting appealed to Hooton but he feared it could get out of control and descend into a futile gesture if it wasn’t properly run. So he brought in Paul Rice, who was a former chair of the Broadgreen Labour Party.
Hooton’s thinking was that if you could control a meeting of the Broadgreen Labour Party back in the Militant days, you could control any gathering.
Rice felt he needed the Americans’ financial situations analysed and clarified so he contacted Dave Elder, a New York financial expert, asked him to pick the bones out of Hicks’ and Gillett’s dealings and send him a fool’s translation. Which he did.
“We circulated it at the meeting and basically it began to explain how the Americans had structured their debt and how it was starting to come back on to the club,†said Rice.
“I think that was the first time we’d actually realised the severity of the situation and were able to explain what a leverage buyout was.
“The Americans were the on-going target but there was actually an appetite out there to do something much wider and that’s really how the idea of a supporters union came up rather than a single issue protest group.â€
As 350 fans packed into the back hall of the pub, the air crackled with anticipation. Every major fan group was there: Reclaim the Kop, the Urchins, fanzines, the websites and forums. It was like the coming together of the five families in The Godfather.
At this point the union of support groups called themselves the Sons Of Shankly after playwright Nicky Allt’s inspired suggestion. It was changed to Spirit Of Shankly to keep the politically correct lobby happy and maintain the SOS message.
As events moved on, radical members wanted to adopt a more aggressive approach by taking the fight directly to the Americans and Spirit Of Shankly organisers knew that smarter, more lateral thinking was called for.
The idea of Kop Faithful was to build up a following of like-minded fans who wanted to take direct action to organise internet campaigns. They ended up with 15,000 recruits who could engage in swift, concerted cyber attacks. The SOS had its SAS.
The Royal Bank Of Scotland, whose continued funding allowed Hicks and Gillett to survive, bore the brunt of the first wave of Kop Faithful cyber terrorism.
An RBS senior executive, Rebecca Oliphant, who replied sympathetically to an email from Kop Faithful member Steve Horner left her contact details and within hours her inbox was bombarded by hundreds of mails from Liverpool fans urging the bank not to refinance Hicks and Gillett. When she was telephoned for a response, Oliphant went ballistic.
Far from scaring them off, the reaction made Kop Faithful realise how effective their campaign might become if they applied themselves.
They imagined the effect of a much bigger assault on every key executive of the company.
The process was simple. An e-mail will be put together by one of Kop Faithful’s handful of writers, it would be posted on the website with a list of recipients and instructions to copy, paste send and distribute among friends, fans, other websites and Facebook accounts. The young generation of techno-savvy fans overcame all obstacles placed in front of them by anti-spamming agencies.
Every Monday morning senior employees of RBS would turn up for work, switch on their computers only to be faced with several thousand anti-Hicks and Gillett e-mails clogging up the inbox.
Tom Hicks
Then, as the October refinancing deadline approached and Hicks began looking elsewhere for backers, the game changed. Whenever a bank, hedge fund or equity house was linked to the Texan, the addresses of all key personnel would be unearthed, an e-mail would be posted and they would be made aware of who they were dealing with.
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 Kop Faithful learned that Hicks was on the verge of securing a two-year agreement with a company called Blackstone/GSO to pay off RBS and refinance.
By Sunday afternoon 14,000 e-mails hit the inboxes of Blackstone executives and those of allied companies. The message included the following: “If your company agrees a £280 million refinancing deal with Tom Hicks to retain his share in Liverpool Football Club then the only return that you will see on your investment is bad publicity and a severe backlash from Liverpool supporters.
“You are facing an energised, well-informed mass of Liverpool fans from around the world. We are tapped into a constant stream of information on the ownership situation.
“If the Blackstone Group/GSO Capital Partners joins forces with Tom Hicks in raping and pillaging Liverpool Football Club then you will be making a very powerful enemy. You have been warned.â€
The following day as Kop Faithful member Alan Kayll drove around in his taxi he received texts telling him that Blackstone were rumoured to be pulling out. Armed with the telephone number of Michael Whitman, a senior Blackstone executive, he rang for clarification. He left a message on Whitman’s answerphone asking if the reports were true and requesting he called back by 10am the following day. “If you don’t call me back by then I’m going to put your name and phone number on every single Liverpool FC website,†Kayll warned.
Whitman replied to confirm the reports were accurate and added: “We have taken the passion and commitment of Liverpool supporters into this and I wish you well with your campaign.â€
Soon afterwards a reporter on the Wall Street Journal rang from New York to ask Kayll about the story and said: “You do know that you crashed the entire Blackstone/GSO system?â€
The following day Kayll and Kop Faithful were on the front page of the Wall Street Journal in a long article under the headline: “A Texas tycoon learns a lesson: don’t mess with Liverpudlians.â€
There was scepticism in some quarters over whether Kop Faithful’s e-mail campaign actually killed the deal. We will never know the exact truth but there is no doubting the fact that the e-mail storm warning did have an impact on influential American decision-makers in those days when Hicks sought to refinance.
Hicks himself blamed the cyber terrorists for leaving him with nowhere to run. They may not have eventually trapped their prey but they bricked up a lot of the escape routes.
This is the part of the Hicks and Gillett saga that should fill Liverpudlians with genuine pride. It started as a gathering of 350 fans in the backroom of the Sandon pub and spawned a grassroots union, mass protest, media campaigns and Internet war. It led to meetings with representatives of some of the richest and most powerful men on earth and eventually made the Gordon Geckos of Wall Street quiver in their Prada shoes. Those fans refused to take what Hicks and Gillett were throwing at them.
They exposed the pair for what they were and made them pariahs in their own moneyed community.
No group of sports fans has ever left so many rich men feeling so powerless, confused and unsure about their decisions as Liverpool supporters did during those 44 months.
They did not ultimately evict the Americans from Anfield, the Royal Bank Of Scotland did, by taking them to court. But those fans made it increasingly difficult for the bank not to carry out the eviction.
THE SANDON is a big, working-class pub on a bleak, semi-derelict road, unremarkable except for the fact that on March 15, 1892, in one of its snugs, Liverpool Football Club came screaming and kicking into the world.
Back in those pre-Boer war days the Sandon was where the players would change into their knickerbockers and directors and fans would take porter and ale before ambling to a patch of grass a goalie’s clearance away, called Anfield.
What better venue then for the descendants of those Victorian pioneers to gather 116 years later to formulate a way of reclaiming the old club?
The news that Tom Hicks and George Gillett were attempting to refinance their initial loans by putting £350 million of debt on LFC lit the fuse that sparked a fans’ explosion.
Supporters group Reclaim The Kop called for a mass demonstration at the game against Aston Villa on January 21 and towards the end fans sang the chant that would become a classic of the cause: “ Get out of our club, you lying b******s, get out of our club.â€
Peter Hooton, lead singer of The Farm and a lifelong Liverpool fan, was conscious of a group called Liverpool Supporters Network, who were trying to bring websites and fanzines together to unite against the Americans.
He contacted the men behind it, Andy Heaton and Dave Usher and proposed that instead of everyone being a website warrior in their own bedroom, they held face-to-face meetings and worked out a proper line of attack.
The idea of a mass meeting appealed to Hooton but he feared it could get out of control and descend into a futile gesture if it wasn’t properly run. So he brought in Paul Rice, who was a former chair of the Broadgreen Labour Party.
Hooton’s thinking was that if you could control a meeting of the Broadgreen Labour Party back in the Militant days, you could control any gathering.
Rice felt he needed the Americans’ financial situations analysed and clarified so he contacted Dave Elder, a New York financial expert, asked him to pick the bones out of Hicks’ and Gillett’s dealings and send him a fool’s translation. Which he did.
“We circulated it at the meeting and basically it began to explain how the Americans had structured their debt and how it was starting to come back on to the club,†said Rice.
“I think that was the first time we’d actually realised the severity of the situation and were able to explain what a leverage buyout was.
“The Americans were the on-going target but there was actually an appetite out there to do something much wider and that’s really how the idea of a supporters union came up rather than a single issue protest group.â€
As 350 fans packed into the back hall of the pub, the air crackled with anticipation. Every major fan group was there: Reclaim the Kop, the Urchins, fanzines, the websites and forums. It was like the coming together of the five families in The Godfather.
At this point the union of support groups called themselves the Sons Of Shankly after playwright Nicky Allt’s inspired suggestion. It was changed to Spirit Of Shankly to keep the politically correct lobby happy and maintain the SOS message.
As events moved on, radical members wanted to adopt a more aggressive approach by taking the fight directly to the Americans and Spirit Of Shankly organisers knew that smarter, more lateral thinking was called for.
The idea of Kop Faithful was to build up a following of like-minded fans who wanted to take direct action to organise internet campaigns. They ended up with 15,000 recruits who could engage in swift, concerted cyber attacks. The SOS had its SAS.
The Royal Bank Of Scotland, whose continued funding allowed Hicks and Gillett to survive, bore the brunt of the first wave of Kop Faithful cyber terrorism.
An RBS senior executive, Rebecca Oliphant, who replied sympathetically to an email from Kop Faithful member Steve Horner left her contact details and within hours her inbox was bombarded by hundreds of mails from Liverpool fans urging the bank not to refinance Hicks and Gillett. When she was telephoned for a response, Oliphant went ballistic.
Far from scaring them off, the reaction made Kop Faithful realise how effective their campaign might become if they applied themselves.
They imagined the effect of a much bigger assault on every key executive of the company.
The process was simple. An e-mail will be put together by one of Kop Faithful’s handful of writers, it would be posted on the website with a list of recipients and instructions to copy, paste send and distribute among friends, fans, other websites and Facebook accounts. The young generation of techno-savvy fans overcame all obstacles placed in front of them by anti-spamming agencies.
Every Monday morning senior employees of RBS would turn up for work, switch on their computers only to be faced with several thousand anti-Hicks and Gillett e-mails clogging up the inbox.
Tom Hicks
Then, as the October refinancing deadline approached and Hicks began looking elsewhere for backers, the game changed. Whenever a bank, hedge fund or equity house was linked to the Texan, the addresses of all key personnel would be unearthed, an e-mail would be posted and they would be made aware of who they were dealing with.
On Saturday, September 18, 2010 Kop Faithful learned that Hicks was on the verge of securing a two-year agreement with a company called Blackstone/GSO to pay off RBS and refinance.
By Sunday afternoon 14,000 e-mails hit the inboxes of Blackstone executives and those of allied companies. The message included the following: “If your company agrees a £280 million refinancing deal with Tom Hicks to retain his share in Liverpool Football Club then the only return that you will see on your investment is bad publicity and a severe backlash from Liverpool supporters.
“You are facing an energised, well-informed mass of Liverpool fans from around the world. We are tapped into a constant stream of information on the ownership situation.
“If the Blackstone Group/GSO Capital Partners joins forces with Tom Hicks in raping and pillaging Liverpool Football Club then you will be making a very powerful enemy. You have been warned.â€
The following day as Kop Faithful member Alan Kayll drove around in his taxi he received texts telling him that Blackstone were rumoured to be pulling out. Armed with the telephone number of Michael Whitman, a senior Blackstone executive, he rang for clarification. He left a message on Whitman’s answerphone asking if the reports were true and requesting he called back by 10am the following day. “If you don’t call me back by then I’m going to put your name and phone number on every single Liverpool FC website,†Kayll warned.
Whitman replied to confirm the reports were accurate and added: “We have taken the passion and commitment of Liverpool supporters into this and I wish you well with your campaign.â€
Soon afterwards a reporter on the Wall Street Journal rang from New York to ask Kayll about the story and said: “You do know that you crashed the entire Blackstone/GSO system?â€
The following day Kayll and Kop Faithful were on the front page of the Wall Street Journal in a long article under the headline: “A Texas tycoon learns a lesson: don’t mess with Liverpudlians.â€
There was scepticism in some quarters over whether Kop Faithful’s e-mail campaign actually killed the deal. We will never know the exact truth but there is no doubting the fact that the e-mail storm warning did have an impact on influential American decision-makers in those days when Hicks sought to refinance.
Hicks himself blamed the cyber terrorists for leaving him with nowhere to run. They may not have eventually trapped their prey but they bricked up a lot of the escape routes.
This is the part of the Hicks and Gillett saga that should fill Liverpudlians with genuine pride. It started as a gathering of 350 fans in the backroom of the Sandon pub and spawned a grassroots union, mass protest, media campaigns and Internet war. It led to meetings with representatives of some of the richest and most powerful men on earth and eventually made the Gordon Geckos of Wall Street quiver in their Prada shoes. Those fans refused to take what Hicks and Gillett were throwing at them.
They exposed the pair for what they were and made them pariahs in their own moneyed community.
No group of sports fans has ever left so many rich men feeling so powerless, confused and unsure about their decisions as Liverpool supporters did during those 44 months.
They did not ultimately evict the Americans from Anfield, the Royal Bank Of Scotland did, by taking them to court. But those fans made it increasingly difficult for the bank not to carry out the eviction.
What a "Reade" this book was. My takeaways:
We really could have been easily more of a commercial success in the 1990's but for the sleepy, not too ambitious management of David Moores, who looks like an affable likable business incompetent throughout.
Purslow, was with the exception of the courtcase, a liability who really hamstrung Roffa.
Gillete and Hicks - were they really that dysfunctional and awful? How did they get ahead? Was Gilette really such a wimp?
Parry - came off better than I expected.
Rafa - the struggle brought out his worst side, and because he was so marginalized, he really took the eye off the pitch in the last season. Players could tell. Really loved the club. Did well in dire political circumstances.
Gerrard - seems weak throughout. Doesn't seem to realize the power he had.
Overall, that whoe period 2007-2011 was nuts. I've never seen such a dysfunctional situation. I know there's always a lot of hyperbole about how Moores could have sold to those two, but really, they were AWFUL. And so much division and politics.
Thank god it was over. BUT IT WAS NUTS, the infighting was just unbelievable. I'm even more sympathetic to the Roffa.
But most of all thank HEAVENS, the adults are back in charge.
We really could have been easily more of a commercial success in the 1990's but for the sleepy, not too ambitious management of David Moores, who looks like an affable likable business incompetent throughout.
Purslow, was with the exception of the courtcase, a liability who really hamstrung Roffa.
Gillete and Hicks - were they really that dysfunctional and awful? How did they get ahead? Was Gilette really such a wimp?
Parry - came off better than I expected.
Rafa - the struggle brought out his worst side, and because he was so marginalized, he really took the eye off the pitch in the last season. Players could tell. Really loved the club. Did well in dire political circumstances.
Gerrard - seems weak throughout. Doesn't seem to realize the power he had.
Overall, that whoe period 2007-2011 was nuts. I've never seen such a dysfunctional situation. I know there's always a lot of hyperbole about how Moores could have sold to those two, but really, they were AWFUL. And so much division and politics.
Thank god it was over. BUT IT WAS NUTS, the infighting was just unbelievable. I'm even more sympathetic to the Roffa.
But most of all thank HEAVENS, the adults are back in charge.
You're being a bit harsh on Purslow though; it's obvious that a businessman shouldn't have interfered with footbal matters, but it's also clear that he did so as a fan and thought that Rafa should have been doing better. Many of us thought that anyway.
As for Rafa, I've always had a lot sympathy for him. It's been obvious that he found himself in a terrible situation, and that book probably indicates that the situation was a lot worse than people realize. Let's not forget though that he also embroiled himself in these political games, and whilst it's understandable that he did, it certainy was going to be bad for everyone in the end.
As for Rafa, I've always had a lot sympathy for him. It's been obvious that he found himself in a terrible situation, and that book probably indicates that the situation was a lot worse than people realize. Let's not forget though that he also embroiled himself in these political games, and whilst it's understandable that he did, it certainy was going to be bad for everyone in the end.
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We really could have been easily more of a commercial success in the 1990's but for the sleepy, not too ambitious management of David Moores, who looks like an affable likable business incompetent throughout.
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Moores was useless, but the lack of commercial success from the late 90s and on can be blamed squarely on Parry.
He was the CEO, he was the man that should have created a marketing team to take one of the top 3 most recognized clubs worldwide into commercial success. He failed miserably.
But then if Moores had a brain he would have recognized that Parry was doing nothing and replaced him with a competent businessman. It's a viscous cycle of useless cunts holding the club back, then nearly destroying it by selling it off to people they hardly knew. Unbelievable when you think about the amount of money they were spending in employing a company specifically to find the ideal buyers.
We really could have been easily more of a commercial success in the 1990's but for the sleepy, not too ambitious management of David Moores, who looks like an affable likable business incompetent throughout.
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Moores was useless, but the lack of commercial success from the late 90s and on can be blamed squarely on Parry.
He was the CEO, he was the man that should have created a marketing team to take one of the top 3 most recognized clubs worldwide into commercial success. He failed miserably.
But then if Moores had a brain he would have recognized that Parry was doing nothing and replaced him with a competent businessman. It's a viscous cycle of useless cunts holding the club back, then nearly destroying it by selling it off to people they hardly knew. Unbelievable when you think about the amount of money they were spending in employing a company specifically to find the ideal buyers.
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We really could have been easily more of a commercial success in the 1990's but for the sleepy, not too ambitious management of David Moores, who looks like an affable likable business incompetent throughout.
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Moores was useless, but the lack of commercial success from the late 90s and on can be blamed squarely on Parry.
He was the CEO, he was the man that should have created a marketing team to take one of the top 3 most recognized clubs worldwide into commercial success. He failed miserably.
But then if Moores had a brain he would have recognized that Parry was doing nothing and replaced him with a competent businessman. It's a viscous cycle of useless cunts holding the club back, then nearly destroying it by selling it off to people they hardly knew. Unbelievable when you think about the amount of money they were spending in employing a company specifically to find the ideal buyers.
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yeah they're both seriously to blame, but if i had to pick one i'd say moores was worse. he really comes across as a fucking joke, the bit about him being too scared to sack houllier is embarrassing, and there's countless more.
[quote author=localny link=topic=45012.msg1328465#msg1328465 date=1304821802]
We really could have been easily more of a commercial success in the 1990's but for the sleepy, not too ambitious management of David Moores, who looks like an affable likable business incompetent throughout.
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Moores was useless, but the lack of commercial success from the late 90s and on can be blamed squarely on Parry.
He was the CEO, he was the man that should have created a marketing team to take one of the top 3 most recognized clubs worldwide into commercial success. He failed miserably.
But then if Moores had a brain he would have recognized that Parry was doing nothing and replaced him with a competent businessman. It's a viscous cycle of useless cunts holding the club back, then nearly destroying it by selling it off to people they hardly knew. Unbelievable when you think about the amount of money they were spending in employing a company specifically to find the ideal buyers.
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yeah they're both seriously to blame, but if i had to pick one i'd say moores was worse. he really comes across as a fucking joke, the bit about him being too scared to sack houllier is embarrassing, and there's countless more.
Really, I felt bad for Ged reading that. I wonder what he feels having read it.
Moores just wanted to show up, have a good life, didn't want to have to work for it, because he was already made.
We fell behind in the 90's because it seems Moore wanted to saunter along. That's what the book claims.
Moores just wanted to show up, have a good life, didn't want to have to work for it, because he was already made.
We fell behind in the 90's because it seems Moore wanted to saunter along. That's what the book claims.
None of that has been hard to figure out TBF, but it's interesting to have Reade confirm it openly now.
Parry's case is a strange one. Moores is a serial failure who was never, ever up to the job, but Parry is a bright and experienced guy who did well for the Premier League and should have been a success. Sadly for us all, he clearly wasn't, and it's testament to the hold that this football club still has on the imaginations of so many that we didn't slip even further off the top while those two were dragging us down.
Parry's case is a strange one. Moores is a serial failure who was never, ever up to the job, but Parry is a bright and experienced guy who did well for the Premier League and should have been a success. Sadly for us all, he clearly wasn't, and it's testament to the hold that this football club still has on the imaginations of so many that we didn't slip even further off the top while those two were dragging us down.
I don't think it's so strange at all, tbh..
Moores initially had no interest in turning Liverpool into the kind of marketing and commercial giant the Scum was soon going to be (or had become by this stage)..even today, there are loads of Reds who detest football's globalization and long for the good old days when there were few day-trippers or OOT'ers with jester hats.
Why work on those things when the owner couldn't care less?
Parry did try to improve things, but I think it was by then too little too late.
It was Bill Shankly's Liverpool which fired the imagination of football fans all over the world over 50 years ago; Moores insular thinking was comforting, but by the end it was (to me) a slap in the face of everything this club should have been.
Many Reds will always be torn on this point; Liverpool will always be a club from Liverpool with Scousers at its heart..but the soul is global..there is something about this club which resonates with people all over the world and the sooner this is realised, the sooner we'll be great again
And furthermore Old Trafford delenda est
Moores initially had no interest in turning Liverpool into the kind of marketing and commercial giant the Scum was soon going to be (or had become by this stage)..even today, there are loads of Reds who detest football's globalization and long for the good old days when there were few day-trippers or OOT'ers with jester hats.
Why work on those things when the owner couldn't care less?
Parry did try to improve things, but I think it was by then too little too late.
It was Bill Shankly's Liverpool which fired the imagination of football fans all over the world over 50 years ago; Moores insular thinking was comforting, but by the end it was (to me) a slap in the face of everything this club should have been.
Many Reds will always be torn on this point; Liverpool will always be a club from Liverpool with Scousers at its heart..but the soul is global..there is something about this club which resonates with people all over the world and the sooner this is realised, the sooner we'll be great again
And furthermore Old Trafford delenda est
Or even "bellenda est".
Fair points, but it still disappoints me that Parry didn't have enough about him to do a proper job in spite of Moores, if that's what it was going to take. He had shown decent business acumen while running the Premier League and one would have hoped he'd have enough pride in his job - as well as love for the club, which he's always said to have - to have got on with things, and even turned Moores' inactivity to advantage by leaving him out of the loop wherever possible. In the event, with those two at the helm we were always going to end up where we have.
Oh well. The resurgence has started and I share most people's confidence that it'll continue. Ironically Hicks may turn out to have laid the first brick of the new edifice in squeezing Parry out.
Fair points, but it still disappoints me that Parry didn't have enough about him to do a proper job in spite of Moores, if that's what it was going to take. He had shown decent business acumen while running the Premier League and one would have hoped he'd have enough pride in his job - as well as love for the club, which he's always said to have - to have got on with things, and even turned Moores' inactivity to advantage by leaving him out of the loop wherever possible. In the event, with those two at the helm we were always going to end up where we have.
Oh well. The resurgence has started and I share most people's confidence that it'll continue. Ironically Hicks may turn out to have laid the first brick of the new edifice in squeezing Parry out.
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None of that has been hard to figure out TBF, but it's interesting to have Reade confirm it openly now.
Parry's case is a strange one. Moores is a serial failure who was never, ever up to the job, but Parry is a bright and experienced guy who did well for the Premier League and should have been a success. Sadly for us all, he clearly wasn't, and it's testament to the hold that this football club still has on the imaginations of so many that we didn't slip even further off the top while those two were dragging us down.
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yeah the fact its out there now openly confirmed is a good one. But can I say it again? G and H were MAD if you take this book even at 30% face value. Any kind of a business man could have scratched the surface and seen there was a decent probability wouldn't be any good for us.
None of that has been hard to figure out TBF, but it's interesting to have Reade confirm it openly now.
Parry's case is a strange one. Moores is a serial failure who was never, ever up to the job, but Parry is a bright and experienced guy who did well for the Premier League and should have been a success. Sadly for us all, he clearly wasn't, and it's testament to the hold that this football club still has on the imaginations of so many that we didn't slip even further off the top while those two were dragging us down.
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yeah the fact its out there now openly confirmed is a good one. But can I say it again? G and H were MAD if you take this book even at 30% face value. Any kind of a business man could have scratched the surface and seen there was a decent probability wouldn't be any good for us.
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Or even "bellenda est".
Fair points, but it still disappoints me that Parry didn't have enough about him to do a proper job in spite of Moores, if that's what it was going to take. He had shown decent business acumen while running the Premier League and one would have hoped he'd have enough pride in his job - as well as love for the club, which he's always said to have - to have got on with things, and even turned Moores' inactivity to advantage by leaving him out of the loop wherever possible. In the event, with those two at the helm we were always going to end up where we have.
Oh well. The resurgence has started and I share most people's confidence that it'll continue. Ironically Hicks may turn out to have laid the first brick of the new edifice in squeezing Parry out.
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Hopefully Ayres turns out to be as dynamic as he seems. This will have been their only legacy if it is. My head is still spinning from the warfare, and madness of the club under those two, that I read about this weekend.
Or even "bellenda est".
Fair points, but it still disappoints me that Parry didn't have enough about him to do a proper job in spite of Moores, if that's what it was going to take. He had shown decent business acumen while running the Premier League and one would have hoped he'd have enough pride in his job - as well as love for the club, which he's always said to have - to have got on with things, and even turned Moores' inactivity to advantage by leaving him out of the loop wherever possible. In the event, with those two at the helm we were always going to end up where we have.
Oh well. The resurgence has started and I share most people's confidence that it'll continue. Ironically Hicks may turn out to have laid the first brick of the new edifice in squeezing Parry out.
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Hopefully Ayres turns out to be as dynamic as he seems. This will have been their only legacy if it is. My head is still spinning from the warfare, and madness of the club under those two, that I read about this weekend.
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