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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38502.msg1036828#msg1036828 date=1263807488]
I don't think Gerrard is the only talented English player who never won the PL, some of them never won the CL too I think.
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names please
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Jermaine Pennant
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38502.msg1036828#msg1036828 date=1263807488]
I don't think Gerrard is the only talented English player who never won the PL, some of them never won the CL too I think.
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names please
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Jermaine Pennant
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38502.msg1036828#msg1036828 date=1263807488]
I don't think Gerrard is the only talented English player who never won the PL, some of them never won the CL too I think.
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names please
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Robbie Fowler? Michael Owens?
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38502.msg1036828#msg1036828 date=1263807488]
I don't think Gerrard is the only talented English player who never won the PL, some of them never won the CL too I think.
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names please
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Robbie Fowler? Michael Owens?
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=38502.msg1036744#msg1036744 date=1263785673]
There's rumours doing the rounds that he's had constant rows with Rafa in recent weeks and that he also had a huge bust up with Pellegrino last week. Apparently he's said something like he won't play another season under Rafa and his staff, some are saying he said he'd never play another game under them after the Stoke one.
I still think he can't play as a link player, but he has been woeful this season and that isn't like him (injuries or not). I think there may be merit to some of the stories about, I think that may be part of what has been affecting his game.
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This was the rumour doing the rounds last week wasnt it (along with Pepe having a big blow up with Sammy Lee) - it also explains why Benitez had to come out and rebutt the reports of squad disharmony following the Stoke game.
It really is difficult to imagine us being in a worse situation.
There's rumours doing the rounds that he's had constant rows with Rafa in recent weeks and that he also had a huge bust up with Pellegrino last week. Apparently he's said something like he won't play another season under Rafa and his staff, some are saying he said he'd never play another game under them after the Stoke one.
I still think he can't play as a link player, but he has been woeful this season and that isn't like him (injuries or not). I think there may be merit to some of the stories about, I think that may be part of what has been affecting his game.
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This was the rumour doing the rounds last week wasnt it (along with Pepe having a big blow up with Sammy Lee) - it also explains why Benitez had to come out and rebutt the reports of squad disharmony following the Stoke game.
It really is difficult to imagine us being in a worse situation.
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[quote author=Fallon link=topic=38502.msg1036744#msg1036744 date=1263785673]
There's rumours doing the rounds that he's had constant rows with Rafa in recent weeks and that he also had a huge bust up with Pellegrino last week. Apparently he's said something like he won't play another season under Rafa and his staff, some are saying he said he'd never play another game under them after the Stoke one.
I still think he can't play as a link player, but he has been woeful this season and that isn't like him (injuries or not). I think there may be merit to some of the stories about, I think that may be part of what has been affecting his game.
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This was the rumour doing the rounds last week wasnt it (along with Pepe having a big blow up with Sammy Lee) - it also explains why Benitez had to come out and rebutt the reports of squad disharmony following the Stoke game.
It really is difficult to imagine us being in a worse situation.
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We're in a fucking dire situation grjt. It's fucking depressing.
[quote author=Fallon link=topic=38502.msg1036744#msg1036744 date=1263785673]
There's rumours doing the rounds that he's had constant rows with Rafa in recent weeks and that he also had a huge bust up with Pellegrino last week. Apparently he's said something like he won't play another season under Rafa and his staff, some are saying he said he'd never play another game under them after the Stoke one.
I still think he can't play as a link player, but he has been woeful this season and that isn't like him (injuries or not). I think there may be merit to some of the stories about, I think that may be part of what has been affecting his game.
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This was the rumour doing the rounds last week wasnt it (along with Pepe having a big blow up with Sammy Lee) - it also explains why Benitez had to come out and rebutt the reports of squad disharmony following the Stoke game.
It really is difficult to imagine us being in a worse situation.
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We're in a fucking dire situation grjt. It's fucking depressing.
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=38502.msg1036842#msg1036842 date=1263808002]
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38502.msg1036802#msg1036802 date=1263805170]
I heard this rumours a few days back. Do I blame Gerrard for wanting out of Liverpool ? No. Do I blame hm for being a sulky little girl on the pitch and putting in performances totally unworthy of a captain? Yes I do.
Moan all he likes he's been one of the worst underperformersthis year and if anyone should stand up and be counted it should be your captain. Ours hasn't. If he doesn't want to play for the club and the fans then let him go. Personally, like Bunny, I'd rather Rafa go most definitely. And Tom and George for that matter.
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I heard this rumours a few days back. Do I blame Gerrard for wanting out of Liverpool ? No. Do I blame hm for being a sulky little girl on the pitch and putting in performances totally unworthy of a captain? Yes I do.
Moan all he likes he's been one of the worst underperformersthis year and if anyone should stand up and be counted it should be your captain. Ours hasn't. If he doesn't want to play for the club and the fans then let him go. Personally, like Bunny, I'd rather Rafa go most definitely. And Tom and George for that matter.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38502.msg1036846#msg1036846 date=1263808186]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=38502.msg1036842#msg1036842 date=1263808002]
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
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I wonder why none of the bigger clubs went for him when he was playing at Spurs. Or was it because Spurs was considered a big club as well at that time? All the talk about the big 6 or 7. Whatever happened to that?
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=38502.msg1036842#msg1036842 date=1263808002]
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
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I wonder why none of the bigger clubs went for him when he was playing at Spurs. Or was it because Spurs was considered a big club as well at that time? All the talk about the big 6 or 7. Whatever happened to that?
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Brendan, Sunny & Bunny have said everything there is to say.
Gerrard could be nearing full retirement by the time this squad is capable of lifting the title.
Gerrard could be nearing full retirement by the time this squad is capable of lifting the title.
"Guillem, hope you have the time to deal with this on your website, There are so many stories going around about Stevie G at the moment, we don`t know who to believe. I have received texts claiming that Apparently there was a big fight in the dressing room at half time v reading with Gerrard kicking off on Pellegrino. Apparently then Reina (who wasn`t even playing) kicked off on Sammy Lee and all hell broke loose!! Gerrard refused to go back out at half time and has said he refuses to play again whilst Benitez is the manager. Can you tell us what`s going on! Please!"
I think it`s usually best to steer well clear of these sorts of spurious rumours that seem to do the rounds all the time in Merseyside. However, present circumstances place an emphasis on the need for these things to be put to bed. As you now know, Rafa has dismissed a lot of the Gerrard talk – and I`ve been doing my own asking around and can confirm that thir rumour about a dressing room bust up with Pellegrino is completely unfounded: it`s rubbish.
Gerrard went up into the stands for the second half of the Reading game and watched the rest of the match. He didn`t play against Stoke because he`s injured- it`s that simple. On top of that, its impossible to even imagine the kind of fight that was rumoured to have taken place with Pellegrino; it would be so unbelievably out of character with the Liverpool coach and he`s the quietest person you could ever wish to meet. The fact is, I checked out the rumour, because so many people were asking; but even before having it confirmed, common sense told me it was nonsense.
Not all the talk of a disagreement at Anfield is untrue, however, and the relationship between Babel and Benitez is becoming increasingly strained. The Dutch forward has been left out of the squad in the past for lack of discipline following a couple of interviews he gave in Holland (which were subsequently denied of course) - and now Benitez has reprimanded him after the Twitter incident on Friday. It amazes me how he could be so unprofessional
I think it`s usually best to steer well clear of these sorts of spurious rumours that seem to do the rounds all the time in Merseyside. However, present circumstances place an emphasis on the need for these things to be put to bed. As you now know, Rafa has dismissed a lot of the Gerrard talk – and I`ve been doing my own asking around and can confirm that thir rumour about a dressing room bust up with Pellegrino is completely unfounded: it`s rubbish.
Gerrard went up into the stands for the second half of the Reading game and watched the rest of the match. He didn`t play against Stoke because he`s injured- it`s that simple. On top of that, its impossible to even imagine the kind of fight that was rumoured to have taken place with Pellegrino; it would be so unbelievably out of character with the Liverpool coach and he`s the quietest person you could ever wish to meet. The fact is, I checked out the rumour, because so many people were asking; but even before having it confirmed, common sense told me it was nonsense.
Not all the talk of a disagreement at Anfield is untrue, however, and the relationship between Babel and Benitez is becoming increasingly strained. The Dutch forward has been left out of the squad in the past for lack of discipline following a couple of interviews he gave in Holland (which were subsequently denied of course) - and now Benitez has reprimanded him after the Twitter incident on Friday. It amazes me how he could be so unprofessional
Stuart Pearce, did he play for Forrest when they were winning stuff? Platt might be another one.
On Gerrard, if he's had his fill of disappointment at Liverpool and hasn't got the heart to play for the team and fans then it's time to let him go. If he does go I think it would open the flood gates and Torres,Pepe and Masher wouldn't be long in jumping ship too.
On Gerrard, if he's had his fill of disappointment at Liverpool and hasn't got the heart to play for the team and fans then it's time to let him go. If he does go I think it would open the flood gates and Torres,Pepe and Masher wouldn't be long in jumping ship too.
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Did Gazza win much? Was he good enough to be mentioned?
I only remember him at Euro 96 and then being fat and lazy at Boro.
I only remember him at Euro 96 and then being fat and lazy at Boro.
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[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38502.msg1036828#msg1036828 date=1263807488]
I don't think Gerrard is the only talented English player who never won the PL, some of them never won the CL too I think.
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Matt Le Tissier?
[quote author=Y1 link=topic=38502.msg1036828#msg1036828 date=1263807488]
I don't think Gerrard is the only talented English player who never won the PL, some of them never won the CL too I think.
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names please
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Matt Le Tissier?
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Did Gazza win much? Was he good enough to be mentioned?
I only remember him at Euro 96 and then being fat and lazy at Boro.
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He played for Rangers for a few years so might have pick up a few leagues then. Doesn't really count though. Not sure what success he had at Lazio.
Did Gazza win much? Was he good enough to be mentioned?
I only remember him at Euro 96 and then being fat and lazy at Boro.
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He played for Rangers for a few years so might have pick up a few leagues then. Doesn't really count though. Not sure what success he had at Lazio.
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38502.msg1036861#msg1036861 date=1263809181]
Did Gazza win much? Was he good enough to be mentioned?
I only remember him at Euro 96 and then being fat and lazy at Boro.
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He played for Rangers for a few years so might have pick up a few leagues then. Doesn't really count though. Not sure what success he had at Lazio.
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I think he was injured more often than not at Lazio.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=38502.msg1036861#msg1036861 date=1263809181]
Did Gazza win much? Was he good enough to be mentioned?
I only remember him at Euro 96 and then being fat and lazy at Boro.
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He played for Rangers for a few years so might have pick up a few leagues then. Doesn't really count though. Not sure what success he had at Lazio.
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I think he was injured more often than not at Lazio.
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=38502.msg1036846#msg1036846 date=1263808186]
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=38502.msg1036842#msg1036842 date=1263808002]
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
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I wonder why none of the bigger clubs went for him when he was playing at Spurs. Or was it because Spurs was considered a big club as well at that time? All the talk about the big 6 or 7. Whatever happened to that?
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Spurs probably weren't that much different then to how they are now. They still never challenged for the title, but they did have some decent players and some money (Gazza for example chose to go there around about the same time, when most other clubs were keen too).
There wasn't a big 4 like there is now, and also teams didn't have huge squads. Remember we pretty much had to sell Aldridge around then because we had Rush and Beardsley.
Also, Lineker wasn't at Spurs for that long really. Three seasons was it? Maybe he had offers at that point but he chose the money in Japan.
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[quote author=Bradley link=topic=38502.msg1036842#msg1036842 date=1263808002]
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
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I wonder why none of the bigger clubs went for him when he was playing at Spurs. Or was it because Spurs was considered a big club as well at that time? All the talk about the big 6 or 7. Whatever happened to that?
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Spurs probably weren't that much different then to how they are now. They still never challenged for the title, but they did have some decent players and some money (Gazza for example chose to go there around about the same time, when most other clubs were keen too).
There wasn't a big 4 like there is now, and also teams didn't have huge squads. Remember we pretty much had to sell Aldridge around then because we had Rush and Beardsley.
Also, Lineker wasn't at Spurs for that long really. Three seasons was it? Maybe he had offers at that point but he chose the money in Japan.
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[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38502.msg1036802#msg1036802 date=1263805170]
I heard this rumours a few days back. Do I blame Gerrard for wanting out of Liverpool ? No. Do I blame hm for being a sulky little girl on the pitch and putting in performances totally unworthy of a captain? Yes I do.
Moan all he likes he's been one of the worst underperformersthis year and if anyone should stand up and be counted it should be your captain. Ours hasn't. If he doesn't want to play for the club and the fans then let him go. Personally, like Bunny, I'd rather Rafa go most definitely. And Tom and George for that matter.
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Top post Sunny.
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=38502.msg1036802#msg1036802 date=1263805170]
I heard this rumours a few days back. Do I blame Gerrard for wanting out of Liverpool ? No. Do I blame hm for being a sulky little girl on the pitch and putting in performances totally unworthy of a captain? Yes I do.
Moan all he likes he's been one of the worst underperformersthis year and if anyone should stand up and be counted it should be your captain. Ours hasn't. If he doesn't want to play for the club and the fans then let him go. Personally, like Bunny, I'd rather Rafa go most definitely. And Tom and George for that matter.
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Top post Sunny.
As thick as it sounds, Shearer chose not to win the PL - for the love of his Toon.
Scum were riding high and ready to bring him in, he told em to piss off.
Le Tiss, same story....
Had plenty of chances to move but never did.
Owen did move to 'big clubs' to win things, and the irony is, he won feck all.
Scum were riding high and ready to bring him in, he told em to piss off.
Le Tiss, same story....
Had plenty of chances to move but never did.
Owen did move to 'big clubs' to win things, and the irony is, he won feck all.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=38502.msg1036760#msg1036760 date=1263790920]
It would be a big worry if he went to City. Hopefully he leaves for abroad.
We might get 30 million for him and considering Aqua cost 20 million I think we would be massive losers on the deal, despite it being good money for a 29 year old, I think Gerrard could still have 4-5 years at the top left in him.
Watching Rafa walk off on Saturday looking totally frustrated, angry and about 10 years older, really made me feel for him and pissed off at the players who are letting him down. If they showed as much commitment to the cause as Rafa then we wouldn't be in this mess. Stand up and be counted at least. Get stuck in, get angry, don't be so fucking timid. Lazy self-important overpaid shithouse millionares with about as much backbone as politicians.
If Gerrard want to leave then see you later. I'm sick of these big headed shoe gazing 'contemplating if the clubs good enough for me"fucking 'pre-maradonas' anyway.
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TBF I thought the players on saturday did get stuck in and deserved a win. Besides that i agree.
It would be a big worry if he went to City. Hopefully he leaves for abroad.
We might get 30 million for him and considering Aqua cost 20 million I think we would be massive losers on the deal, despite it being good money for a 29 year old, I think Gerrard could still have 4-5 years at the top left in him.
Watching Rafa walk off on Saturday looking totally frustrated, angry and about 10 years older, really made me feel for him and pissed off at the players who are letting him down. If they showed as much commitment to the cause as Rafa then we wouldn't be in this mess. Stand up and be counted at least. Get stuck in, get angry, don't be so fucking timid. Lazy self-important overpaid shithouse millionares with about as much backbone as politicians.
If Gerrard want to leave then see you later. I'm sick of these big headed shoe gazing 'contemplating if the clubs good enough for me"fucking 'pre-maradonas' anyway.
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TBF I thought the players on saturday did get stuck in and deserved a win. Besides that i agree.
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I would honestly be heartbroken if Gerrard left.
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So would I but he's a player who relies on his heart so much and, if his heart's not in it anymore, we may as well get what we can. As for the captaincy debate it's not just about how he plays personally but it's how he leads both on and the pitch - physcially, verbally, motivationally. I'm sure he's feeling dejected. We all are.
In fact, I'm sick of hearing how badly players are feeling or how upset this person makes them or someone else makes them. How the fuck do they think WE feel ? The fans. We're fucking GUTTED at the moment about what's going on. I'm having to physically drag myself the match Anita. It comes to something when a cup of tea and watching fucking Eastenders seems a better option than going to the game, freezing my bollocks off and to watch us perform like a bunch of hapless and heartless idiots. WE'RE the lifeblood of this club, not the players. We're the one constant of this club until the day we stop breathing. We're the ones who spend money we can't really afford supporting a team through thick and thin - a team that's giving very little back before going home to their lives of currently unjustified luxury, fortune and without any worries. We're the ones who it pains most. I'm not saying it's doesn't hurt them - I'm sure for many it really does. But for lots of fans Liverpool represents hope and the team, manager and fuckwits of owners are denying the fans that at the moment. It fucking hurts. I've supported this team all my life and been a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years and for the first time in my life I find myself questioning why I'm doing it. I really am. I've always clung on to hope that we'll turn around but this time feels like we're at a real watershed. The top of the hill. We'll either get over it or plummet sharply downwards.
I would honestly be heartbroken if Gerrard left.
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So would I but he's a player who relies on his heart so much and, if his heart's not in it anymore, we may as well get what we can. As for the captaincy debate it's not just about how he plays personally but it's how he leads both on and the pitch - physcially, verbally, motivationally. I'm sure he's feeling dejected. We all are.
In fact, I'm sick of hearing how badly players are feeling or how upset this person makes them or someone else makes them. How the fuck do they think WE feel ? The fans. We're fucking GUTTED at the moment about what's going on. I'm having to physically drag myself the match Anita. It comes to something when a cup of tea and watching fucking Eastenders seems a better option than going to the game, freezing my bollocks off and to watch us perform like a bunch of hapless and heartless idiots. WE'RE the lifeblood of this club, not the players. We're the one constant of this club until the day we stop breathing. We're the ones who spend money we can't really afford supporting a team through thick and thin - a team that's giving very little back before going home to their lives of currently unjustified luxury, fortune and without any worries. We're the ones who it pains most. I'm not saying it's doesn't hurt them - I'm sure for many it really does. But for lots of fans Liverpool represents hope and the team, manager and fuckwits of owners are denying the fans that at the moment. It fucking hurts. I've supported this team all my life and been a season ticket holder for nearly 20 years and for the first time in my life I find myself questioning why I'm doing it. I really am. I've always clung on to hope that we'll turn around but this time feels like we're at a real watershed. The top of the hill. We'll either get over it or plummet sharply downwards.
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Gerrard would be a massive loss, not only in footballing terms but psychologically and symbolically. It would tell everyone that LFC was no longer a great club, that it couldn't keep its best players.
In strictly business terms, £40m for a 30-year-old would be almost unrefusable, although I suspect that figure's just been plucked from the air. City might pay it; no one else would. I doubt whether Gerrard would go to City, though having said that, it would seriously piss off the Red Mancs if he were to help City win the league.
Overall, though, if we're given a choice between losing a manager who looks like he's drowning and an iconic captain who looks like he wants to drown himself, I'd take the former every single time. Bring someone in who can get Gerrard playing like Gerrard again.
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Top post, Bunny.
Additionally, screw all the so called supporters who are so quick to turn on a captain who has done 10 times what any manager of the last 15 years had done for us and immeasurably more than any poster on this forum has ever done for the club.
These flaming dickheads who are not just willing but almost desperate to sweep away a career of blood, sweat and tears that easily qualifies as the best ever delivered by a home grown local; not only do they want to sweep it away but they're actually infantile and pitiful enough to try and divert some blame for the clubs failings onto his shoulders. It would be impossible to be upset with Gerrard if he decided wankers like that weren't worth a single additional drop of his sweat.
Gerrard would be a massive loss, not only in footballing terms but psychologically and symbolically. It would tell everyone that LFC was no longer a great club, that it couldn't keep its best players.
In strictly business terms, £40m for a 30-year-old would be almost unrefusable, although I suspect that figure's just been plucked from the air. City might pay it; no one else would. I doubt whether Gerrard would go to City, though having said that, it would seriously piss off the Red Mancs if he were to help City win the league.
Overall, though, if we're given a choice between losing a manager who looks like he's drowning and an iconic captain who looks like he wants to drown himself, I'd take the former every single time. Bring someone in who can get Gerrard playing like Gerrard again.
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Top post, Bunny.
Additionally, screw all the so called supporters who are so quick to turn on a captain who has done 10 times what any manager of the last 15 years had done for us and immeasurably more than any poster on this forum has ever done for the club.
These flaming dickheads who are not just willing but almost desperate to sweep away a career of blood, sweat and tears that easily qualifies as the best ever delivered by a home grown local; not only do they want to sweep it away but they're actually infantile and pitiful enough to try and divert some blame for the clubs failings onto his shoulders. It would be impossible to be upset with Gerrard if he decided wankers like that weren't worth a single additional drop of his sweat.
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[quote author=Bradley link=topic=38502.msg1036842#msg1036842 date=1263808002]
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
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Lineker, albeit a clinical finisher, was never the player that Gerrard is.
Shearer I'll give you but, then, he got his title and then moved to his boyhood club.
[quote author=Bradley link=topic=38502.msg1036842#msg1036842 date=1263808002]
Alan Shearer finished his career with just one medal I think.
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Lineker never won much either, despite all his England goals.
An FA cup (Spurs) and a Cup Winner's Cup (Barca)?
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Lineker, albeit a clinical finisher, was never the player that Gerrard is.
Shearer I'll give you but, then, he got his title and then moved to his boyhood club.
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