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ATM, Agger will have to be our LB as Konchesky looks like he will miss a few weeks. I think a lot of the problem is that we are allowing teams to dominate possession against us, and any team will concede chances if you dont have the ball for long periods. If we actually play a bit, and retain possession, then ergo less chances conceded. ??
 
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ATM, Agger will have to be our LB as Konchesky looks like he will miss a few weeks. I think a lot of the problem is that we are allowing teams to dominate possession against us, and any team will concede chances if you dont have the ball for long periods. If we actually play a bit, and retain possession, then ergo less chances conceded. ??
[/quote]Thats because we play like we're Fulham. SItting deep as fuck. Even Cuntface Alan Green has noticed it and he's a turd.

Fuck off containing teams. Go and fucking rip them a new one.
COLE
TORRES
GERRARD
MEIRELES
Fuck me, what did Sunderland have? Bent.
 
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[quote author=Loch Ness Monster link=topic=42039.msg1183127#msg1183127 date=1285531272]
Just stick with it fellas, some goals and wins are just around the corner.

*waits for KHL and a prediction of an unbeaten run*
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I agree bro, just the fear is all. If we play like we did at the end of matches then i believe a good run is gonna happen

it's just playing like that from the start
[/quote]I agree too.
Drop Johnson the fat lazy cunt and play the Kelly.
Drop Skrtel and play the Agger
Drop the holding cunt and play Gerrard and Meireles in the middle
Play Cole where we bought him to play
Jobsagoodun.
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Sorry mate but Agger is busy already, filling in at left back.

edit Doh, quiffing again.
 
Offtopic, but I don't care..

I used the term quiffing on another forum the other day & was genuinely confused when they asked me what I meant. It's such a necessary word on forums.
 
They used to say that quiffing makes you go blind, but nowadays people have a more enlightened attitude. 🙂
 
[quote author=Terrier link=topic=42039.msg1182510#msg1182510 date=1285434604]
6 games is pathetic.....12-15 games will give us a good indication of what he's made of.
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Yup, good boy. Lets wait until we are at least 30 points behind the leaders and nearing the relegation zone and then we can start calling for his head. Bloody idiot!
 
As I said earlier I want us to play a 4-4-2. We desperatly need to put the opposition under pressure, retain possesion and move our team up the field.

The way we're lining up now, means that Torres loses every hoofed ball, or we lose possesion in midfield since we can't pass it around, and are put under constant pressure from our opponents. Since they have the ball ALL the time.

Nearly every team we have played this season has had more possesion than us, of course you are going to struggle to create chances and there is also a chance that you'll concede stupid goals.

So, Roy, 4-4-2. Meireles and Gerrard in the centre. Someone up there with Torres to do the dirty work i e battling out with the centre backs, bringing others into play, laying it of to Cole, Gerrard, Meireles etc.
It's not rocket science. Just change the approach, cause it clearly isn't working.

Just looking at the games we've played, I would have gladly had Heskey or Jones in our squad. Just that presence upfront that can do the link up work.

We have sold Alonso and Mascher, that means we haven't got the players suited to play 4-2-3-1 anymore.
I'd like to see some stats about our possesion before and after Alonso. You just feel that we haven't controlled and dictated a game since he left.

So, what do we do. You change your tactics to match the players you have at your disposal. With Meireles and Gerrard we can play 4-4-2. That pushes us further up the pitch and the opposition will be put under more pressure. Who should play next to Torres though, thats another question.
 
At this point I don't really think the system or the players selected for it are the problem.

It's the menality of the coach and subsequently the players. There is little urgency, belief or fight in this team and until that changes we're not going to win games because other teams simply want it more than us. We've seen it time and time again this season.
 
Have you ever seen a team misplace so many passes? I certainly haven't. I doubt, at the moment, there are a team in the Premiership with so many simple mistakes as us.

Our confidence is shot to pieces, and has been for over a year now. Just when you think things are about to turn, something else smacks you in the face.

Thats why we just need to get back to basic, and work our way out of it. I e trying a different approach.
 
The slightest positive point to take from it was that when reverted to Gerrard and Meireles we looked balanced and had some drive about us. Hodgson has GOT to take that as a pointer of where to take the team, especially against the lesser sides, and a big pat on the back to N'Gog too who I thought (once again) helped changed the face of the game.
 
Well, evidence so far is that Meireles is a decent player. Maybe not quite top-class, but he can play.

What I'm not sure about is *where*. He seems to be playing a bit too high up the pitch and forcing Gerrard deeper, when it should be the other way around.

I'm certain we can't do any worse than give them a try together, because Crapsen is a fucking dismal joke, and we all know how shit lucarse is.
 
It's just fantastic that we acutally have bought yet another player that we *hope* won't play.

5 mill £. Fuck off.
 
Meireles was involved in some good interchanges were the ball actually moved fast and so did some f the players. If we can find a platform for our play that we move the ball around fast, we might even start to put other teams under pressure, as we did in the opening and closing stages of the Sunderland match.

Bt again we decided to defend the opening goal, and we fucked it up.
 
Sometimes you have to recognise that a change you've made is not going to work.

We've all been there, invested the time and thought to a change and convinced ourselves we've got it right; only to realise fairly quickly that things are getting worse.

I think we're close to that point.

Roy Hodgson asked us to judge him after 10 games, I think we should and be ruthless about it.

The team looks disorganised and fearful, this has to change quickly (in the next 4 games) or our current concern will be a crisis neither ourselves or Roy Hodgson deserves.

What's gone before and what may happen in the future are irrelevant at this point, matters must improve on the pitch fast; no excuses. Our first 11 and our squad are not bottom half of the table, whoever is in charge; and we all know it.
 
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At this point I don't really think the system or the players selected for it are the problem.

It's the menality of the coach and subsequently the players. There is little urgency, belief or fight in this team and until that changes we're not going to win games because other teams simply want it more than us. We've seen it time and time again this season.
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^^^
This...

Motivation IS the big issue. When someone like Kenny identifies that as the problem, we better listen....This can turn very sour very quickly otherwise.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42039.msg1183301#msg1183301 date=1285575543]
Well, evidence so far is that Meireles is a decent player. Maybe not quite top-class, but he can play.

What I'm not sure about is *where*. He seems to be playing a bit too high up the pitch and forcing Gerrard deeper, when it should be the other way around.

I'm certain we can't do any worse than give them a try together, because Crapsen is a fucking dismal joke, and we all know how shit lucarse is.
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Don't think Meireles know's where he is playing himself. He was on the left, then on the right, then in the hole, then in middle. Gerrard should be in front of him. Perhaps Roy is playing Meireles in an advanced role to allow him time to adjust to the league?
 
I think Roy himself has alluded to it in a number of interviews, so perhaps I'm being a little unfair on him. But a manager has to inspire the right attitude in his players somehow and so far he appears to be struggling.
 
If Roy's talking to the players in the same way that he's talking to the media (which I suspect is likely, since he strikes me as being straightforward to the point of naivety), no wonder they're flat as a pancake at the moment.
 
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Roy out.
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There's no way the board would sack him, the only way this could happen is if he done a Keegan: 'I'm not up to the job' bit. Which he would never do.
 
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=42039.msg1182156#msg1182156 date=1285427974]
Roy out.
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There's no way the board would sack him, the only way this could happen is if he done a Keegan: 'I'm not up to the job' bit. Which he would never do.
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Probably can't afford to even if they wanted to
 
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Roy out.
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There's no way the board would sack him, the only way this could happen is if he done a Keegan: 'I'm not up to the job' bit. Which he would never do.
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Of cours they won't and I don't even know whether I think it'd be a good idea right now.

This was just a vote of no confidence more than anything else.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42039.msg1183304#msg1183304 date=1285575630]
It's just fantastic that we acutally have bought yet another player that we *hope* won't play.

5 mill £. Fuck off.
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I won't be losing any sleep if Poulsen won't feature in our next game as he hasn't exactly started well by any means.

That said he's for me not the main area of concern so far. What really bugged me in the Sunderland game was how deep Gerrard was lying. He was often finding himself alongside Poulsen who's a DM and sometimes even deeper with Poulsen laying further forward. That was just wrong.

This first and foremost occured after our freak goal mind as we had started brightly pushing players forward. Does this mean Roy is beeing over-cautions hitting the break as soon as we're in front or are the players instructed to sit as deep as was case here?

In any case I think Roy's got it wrong. We looked much better against United in the second half (as well as against anyone so far) when we were desperate to push forward and to me at least it seems the players are somehow beeing restricted by tactics which is influencing negatively.

Particularly in Gerrards case.
 
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42039.msg1183304#msg1183304 date=1285575630]
It's just fantastic that we acutally have bought yet another player that we *hope* won't play.

5 mill £. Fuck off.
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I won't be losing any sleep if Poulsen didn't feature in our next game as he hasn't exactly started well by any means.

That said he's for me not the main area of concern so far. What really bugged me in the Sunderland game was how deep Gerrard was lying. He was often finding himself alongside Poulsen who's a DM and sometimes even deeper with Poulsen laying further forward. That was just wrong.

This first and foremost occured after our freak goal mind as we had started brightly pushing players forward. Does this mean Roy is beeing over-cautions hitting the break as soon as we're in front or are the players instructed to sit as deep as was case here?

In any case I think Roy's got it wrong. We looked much better against United in the second half (as well as against anyone so far) when we were desperate to push forward and to me at least it seems the players are somehow beeing restricted by tactics which is influencing negatively.

Particularly in Gerrards case.
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I can't see Gerrard Carragher and Sammy Lee, not raising any concerns if the team are told to play deep and play a holding game against dross at Anfield.

I think there just playing shite, for whatever reason, maybe the managers not putting his arms around players telling them they are great.

Mind you his remarks about Shelvy after the Cup game, where he was asked 'Shelvy looked good when he came on' and he replied, Yes the other team were tired and that made him look good, suggest he doesn't 'gee up' the players.

I look forward to teh Europe Game, the teams there seem to be allowed to express themselves and play with freedom.

The only match I've actually enjoyed with Roy as manager was our Europa 4-1 win, we passed, we moved, we created, and scored goals.

Why can't the fucking first team do the same??
 
LIVERPOOL FC: Roy Hodgson out after six games?

When Roy Hodgson arrived at Anfield, it’s fair to say that many fans were unconvinced by the appointment. Others were on the fence while some thought that maybe he was indeed the man to "steady the ship".
Many felt that Rafa Benitez had been pushed out of the job despite bringing relative success during his tenure, while others felt it was a good decision to bring in the experienced manager and get rid of the Spaniard.

Either way, there’s no denying it - Hodgson was walking a tightrope from day one.

He came to Anfield knowing he didn’t have bucket loads of cash in his transfer budget. He knew there was unease among the board above him. He had to revitalise a squad that had been left disappointed following their previous campaign and he could have easily held his hands up and stayed at a club where he was being highly praised for his work (in fact, at first, that was exactly what he did do until he was persuaded to give it a shot at Liverpool).

The pressure on him to deliver results immediately at Liverpool was always going to be intense – he had some big footsteps to follow.

When Gerard Houllier took over Anfield he was held in high regard having worked with the French national side as technical director, manager and assistant manager during various stages.

His reputation was enhanced when the country won the World Cup in 1998, and he was also credited for helping to develop players including the Thierry Henry, William Gallas, Nicolas Anelka and David Trezeguet on their way to the 1996 Under-18 European Championship.

When he left Anfield, he had two League Cups, a UEFA Cup, an FA Cup, a Super Cup and a Community Shield in his back pocket. Six years, six trophies.

When he was replaced by Benitez, fans were excited. Having won La Liga twice and the UEFA Cup with Valencia, when he walked down Anfield Road to become the Reds' new manager supporters were convinced he had the right pedigree.

Six years down the line Benitez left with winners' medals from the European Cup, Super Cup, FA Cup and Community Shield stuffed into his jacket.

Of course, it’s impossible to judge Hodgson at Liverpool just yet. New signings need to gel, tactics need to be explored and training methods put into place.

However, facts are facts and Roy Hodgson walked into Liverpool having last won a trophy in 2001. Nine years ago, he lifted the Danish Super Cup and Danish Superliga with FC Copenhagen.

He’s had some near misses, too. He reached the UEFA Cup final with both Inter Milan and Fulham. But he’ll be remembered there for runners-up medals rather than lifting trophies.

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His time as manager of Finland almost produced a bit of history when they narrowly missed out on Euro 2008 – what would have been their first-ever international tournament – by just three points. Their group included Serbia, Poland, Portugal and Belgium.

“Looking at it now, it was a success,†says Joonas Partanen, a sports journalist for Finnish newspaper Iltalehti.

“We have never been so close to qualifying for a major tournament. One goal in the last game against Portugal would have put us through.â€

A game in Portugal, a 0-0 draw, ended hopes for Finland who finished fourth in their group. The team won six out of 14 matches, losing just twice, with a defeat against Azerbaijan standing out as the only real bad result.

In fact, if you analyse the results from that qualification campaign across the whole of Europe, only France, Holland and the Czech Republic conceded less goals than Hodgson’s side – an average of a goal every two games. Finland did, however, chalk up five scoreless draws.

“He wanted us to be very organised and focus on defence," Partanen added.

"We usually defended with eight men. The first thing was always to have a clean sheet and after that we hoped we would snatch a goal from somewhere - set-piece or a counter-attack. Hodgson's philosophy was that as individuals we can't beat the big countries but that we can beat them as a team, as a solid defensive unit."

It’s still to be seen how Hodgson will mould this Liverpool team into his way of thinking. Against Arsenal, Gerrard was allowed to bomb on and join the likes of Cole and Torres, despite starting alongside Mascherano, while more recently, we’ve seen Lucas alongside Poulsen, and Meireles has also been used in the middle.

Injuries, and the suspension to Joe Cole, have possibly hampered Hodgson’s preparation in setting up his team, but we’ll learn more in the coming months as the season develops.

Already this season, the performances of the team have been slated by fans and critics.

Against Arsenal it was a poor first half, the same at Old Trafford, while the result against Northampton Town last Wednesday is one of the most shambolic in Liverpool's history.

It was labelled a catastrophe and fans were quick to point the finger at the manager and question his tactics. The team had just four shots on target in 120 minutes.

A draw against Sunderland did nothing to ease the unrest amongst supporters, and remarkably, some fans are already calling for Hodgson’s dismissal.

With another two points dropped at home, the tension inside the ground was red-hot at times and it’s clear that many fans are already worried by the team’s poor start. I’m one of them.

However, a win on Thursday in Utrecht, three points against Blackpool next Sunday and then a win in the Merseyside derby a week later at Goodison Park, and that rainy night against Northampton Town will be a distant memory.

This season might have been written off already by some fans, but with 96 points left to play for, you can bet that there’s going to be more twists and turns in the coming months.

It’s hard times already – but keep the faith. Benitez lost five of his first 11 games in charge, and Houllier lost five of his first seven games.

They went on to achieve great success – and Hodgson deserves at least some time and patience to "steady the ship".

As the cliche goes, it’s a marathon - not a sprint. Let’s judge the man when he’s finished the race, not trip him up while he’s still competing.
 
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[quote author=Terrier link=topic=42039.msg1182510#msg1182510 date=1285434604]
6 games is pathetic.....12-15 games will give us a good indication of what he's made of.
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Yup, good boy. Lets wait until we are at least 30 points behind the leaders and nearing the relegation zone and then we can start calling for his head. Bloody idiot!
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Now, this could be a first for me, but I'm with Terrier on this one, you hysterical idiot.
 
1 1 Chelsea 6 5 0 1 21 2 19 15
2 3 1 Manchester United 6 3 3 0 16 9 7 12
3 2 1 Arsenal 6 3 2 1 16 7 9 11
4 4 Manchester City 6 3 2 1 7 2 5 11
5 8 3 Aston Villa 6 3 1 2 8 10 -2 10
6 10 4 West Bromwich Albion 6 3 1 2 8 11 -3 10
7 7 Fulham 6 1 5 0 7 6 1 8
8 5 3 Tottenham Hotspur 6 2 2 2 6 5 1 8
9 14 5 Blackburn Rovers 6 2 2 2 7 7 0 8
10 6 4 Newcastle United 6 2 1 3 9 8 1 7
11 11 Sunderland 6 1 4 1 7 7 0 7
12 13 1 Bolton Wanderers 6 1 4 1 9 10 -1 7
13 12 1 Birmingham City 6 1 4 1 7 8 -1 7
14 17 3 Stoke City 6 2 1 3 7 9 -2 7
15 9 6 Blackpool 6 2 1 3 9 14 -5 7
16 16 Liverpool 6 1 3 2 6 9 -3 6
17 15 2 Wolverhampton Wndrs 6 1 2 3 7 10 -3 5
18 18 Wigan Athletic 6 1 2 3 2 13 -11 5
19 20 1 West Ham United 6 1 1 4 4 13 -9 4
20 19 1 Everton 6 0 3 3 4 7 -3 3
 
I have no problems at all with him given more time to prove himself. In fact he deserves exactly that as no-one can do wonders from day one coming into a club with our current climate.

Not even Mourinho at Madrid seems to just click from day one.

Having said that however I'm getting increasingly concerned, not with his choice of personel as that is pretty much our strongest players beeing played, but his very defensive approach. Not even under Rafa has we stood so far back on our own half against anyone at home at Anfield. We've played poorly and lost vital points many a time but we've at least tried to take the game to the opponents half.

The way our players just stood at the back waiting for movement that never came in front of them against Sunderland was cringe-worthy to watch. We really need to see our players beeing allowed to push forward in numbers not just waiting for the opponents to enter our half on the ball.
 
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