His reputation preceedes him!?
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Reverse the situation.
If Suarez was playing for United and went down exactly as he did under Evans challenge, there is not a single one of you who would be arguing that it was a penalty.
"Oh it doesn't matter if he was looking for it or that he threw his head back, a penalty's a penalty" is exactly what you wouldn't be typing.
If Suarez was playing for United and went down exactly as he did under Evans challenge, there is not a single one of you who would be arguing that it was a penalty.
"Oh it doesn't matter if he was looking for it or that he threw his head back, a penalty's a penalty" is exactly what you wouldn't be typing.
And that penalty shout against Barnett? What a joke. If that was Ronaldo, we'd all be saying "DIVE" too
Oh no doubt, that was a penalty, but I think we need to get some perspective here.
All this gnashing of teeth over the Evans 'tackle' and the reputation preceeding him stuff. Best way to view this with a sense of realism is to imagine if he wasn't our player, how would you view his case then?
He's not Gary Neville's player and he said it was a peno! 🙂 In fact, the Mancs fans I know here all say that it was one too. I personally thought it was 50/50 ...
Actually, it's the fact that Halsey awarded Evra a very soft penalty, that makes me think Suarez should have had one too. If Evra doesn't get one, I'm happy enough for Suarez not to get one. It's the inconsistence that gets me. Looking back, if Evra wasn't awarded his penalty, I'd be happy enough to say that Suarez went down too easily.
Yeah but Gary Neville - like the rest of us - has the comfort of having 7 million replays and different TV angles to come to that conclusion.
Halsey's got to stand there and make a decision in a fucking millisecond. And it was a tight call, regardless of whether you think after the decision it was a penalty or not. So Halsey - given it's a tight call - WILL take into account the fact that Suarez has to a history of fucking himself all over the place in search of decisions whether he's been touched or not (like the one he did 7 days previous at Sunderland for example), and if you don't think that has a bearing on whether he gets decisions his way or not then you're being terribly naive.
The boy who cried wolf.
Actually no - I would be thinking fucking lucky our Evans is on the pitch - got away with that one, and after seeing the replay ( and lets be honest its the replay generally that forms our opinion ) I would be thinking got away with another one there
Valencia?
Agreed and what about the worst decision in the first half when Johnson was literally rugby tackled by evans? with his back to goal - astonishing under the circumstances
But apparently according to the whisky-nosed one Nani doesn't dive, nor does Rooney. But other filthy foreigners do. Utter cunt. Why do NONE of the so-called journalists in this country ever call him up on his utter bullshit and lies?
Utter garbage from the twat, Wellbeck,Young?
Ha. Valencia, even.
I certainly agree with you that his decision has to be made in a millisecond and it was a tight call on first viewing. The point is though, that the Valentia one had the same criteria but he managed to give it.
There can surely be no doubt, after last Saturday, that referees are denying decisions to Suarez because of a reputation.
And that is unfair regardless of what your view of Suarez is.
I personally thought the Johnson one was an undoubtable penalty. More so than the Suarez one.
Self evidently Suarez' reputation precedes him. As a result he is judged differently, which is wrong but human.
Referees are waiting to be 100% sure before giving a penalty as they know any mistake they make will be highlighted endlessly. Again wrong but human.
The fault here is with referees now not Suarez. No-one would dispute the referee waving away Saturday's penalty was wrong. The referees organisation must get a grip on this or they'll be in the spotlight and I'm pretty sure they won't want that.
Referees are waiting to be 100% sure before giving a penalty as they know any mistake they make will be highlighted endlessly. Again wrong but human.
The fault here is with referees now not Suarez. No-one would dispute the referee waving away Saturday's penalty was wrong. The referees organisation must get a grip on this or they'll be in the spotlight and I'm pretty sure they won't want that.
I thought the Johnson incident was a pen when I first saw and wasn't surprised when he awarded a pen.
The Evans incident he got wrong. It was a pen.
As for Suarez overall, I'd be a bit more sympathetic to the view that because he is a playacting cheat and therefore doesn't get decisions if that kind of bias was applied fairly to all players... but it's not. I remember plenty of people calling Ronaldo out for being a cheat. Drogba and Robben too but they all seemed to get a hell of a lot of decisions going their way. That's one of the reasons we all hated them so much, isn't it? Because their antics worked. In fact, haven't we heard things "he needs to be protected" from certain areas of the media and managers in the past?
Suarez is getting vilified on all fronts in a manner I've not quite seen before. It's not just the fans that are turning on him - as is usual - it's the refs too. That doesn't normally happen.
The Evans incident he got wrong. It was a pen.
As for Suarez overall, I'd be a bit more sympathetic to the view that because he is a playacting cheat and therefore doesn't get decisions if that kind of bias was applied fairly to all players... but it's not. I remember plenty of people calling Ronaldo out for being a cheat. Drogba and Robben too but they all seemed to get a hell of a lot of decisions going their way. That's one of the reasons we all hated them so much, isn't it? Because their antics worked. In fact, haven't we heard things "he needs to be protected" from certain areas of the media and managers in the past?
Suarez is getting vilified on all fronts in a manner I've not quite seen before. It's not just the fans that are turning on him - as is usual - it's the refs too. That doesn't normally happen.
They are not there to be human. They are there to referee the game fairly. And ffs how many percent was the ref on Saturday waiting for before being sure it was a penalty. Suarez was physically assaulted!
They can't help being human, but they can help what they do about it. Mistakes are inevitable, but when they're consistently being made in one particular way there's a bit more than mere human fallibility involved.
Yup ... I just hope he gets the last laugh ... More games like the Norwich one would be great.
The more he will raise his hands and shouts at refs because he didnt get penaltys on every little 50/50 challenges in the box, the less he he will get penaltys. And that is WHY he doesnt get them. No brainer really.
Whether its fair or not is irrelevant, its just what football is, has always been and what my coaches have been telling us all my life and what i've told the kids i used to coach.
You will never take that human side out of the game.
Whether its fair or not is irrelevant, its just what football is, has always been and what my coaches have been telling us all my life and what i've told the kids i used to coach.
You will never take that human side out of the game.
But he hardly ever does that these days. In one case recently he just sat on the ground and pulled up his socks. That's hardly waving arms around and shouting. And he didn't have any histrionics on Saturday either. He's actually controlled himself very well for quite a while now. It's just that refs, and some fans as well, don't seem to notice.
Hardly does that?! Have only watched highlights of Norwich game but that was blatant against ManU.
There is a slight distinction between the actual dive/foul and the reaction that follows.
Football non written rule: Waving arms all the time = much less penalties given
And if your name is Suarez, the probabilty is even slimmer. I dont recall Gerrard waving his arms in the CL 05 final. Benefit of the doubt went into his favour. It will go against Suarez in most cases. He just has to get on with that fact and focus on scoring regular goals and leave the refs alone.
As someone said, its human...if the refs were on 100k a week, that might be slightly different
There is a slight distinction between the actual dive/foul and the reaction that follows.
Football non written rule: Waving arms all the time = much less penalties given
And if your name is Suarez, the probabilty is even slimmer. I dont recall Gerrard waving his arms in the CL 05 final. Benefit of the doubt went into his favour. It will go against Suarez in most cases. He just has to get on with that fact and focus on scoring regular goals and leave the refs alone.
As someone said, its human...if the refs were on 100k a week, that might be slightly different
I'd be glad that it wasn't given, for sure. But it was still a penalty, regardless of who's going down and what shirt he's wearing...
Well I pointed out I don't think this happens much these days and yet you simply repeat your insistence that it does, so there's no point in continuing with this. Happy reffing.
You're having a laugh, aren't you..? He went down like he'd been shot in the spine...
Actually I do remember Gerrard waving his arms in the CL 05 final.Maybe you should use a different example.
I'm with Macca. I honestly can't remember the last time Suarez performed what one might call a "Blatant Dive". While he can still be theatrical at times, (although not on Saturday), the last few times I've seen him looking for a penalty, I have to say I thought he deserved them.
And this is coming from someone who was very critical of Suarez's antics, and has since recognised that he's cleaned up his act.
And this is coming from someone who was very critical of Suarez's antics, and has since recognised that he's cleaned up his act.
Ha Whaddapie beat me to it.
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