His reputation preceedes him!?
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Couldn't agree more. I had to laugh when he said yesterday that 4 mins injury time was an insult to football! WTF!!!!
Yes. He wasn't complaining at half time when he was desperate to get his team off the pitch!
Missing the point. Nobody ever denied that Luis did those things. The point is that some other players always did them just as much, yet he's been singled out for particularly one-eyed treatment by refs. For the reason why, see tombrown's post and other similar ones above.
His critics are also ignoring the fact that Suarez HAS changed since he arrived here. He used to scream at refs and linesmen all the time, and quite rightly that's changed - which is pretty good evidence that he has been advised within the club. So the idea that he hasn't adapted is wrong. I don't see why refs are now waiting for him to go down like a tailor's dummy before they believe he's really been fouled. Lineker used to make a meal of every challenge. So did Shearer. So does Torres. So does RVP. It should be irrelevant for a ref.
Totally disagree. Nani collapsed in the box. His legs weren't touched. They were both holding each other. No pen in my book.
Just like Valentia last week. Bambi on ice is right.
It is true.
Young was critisised. Correctly. Luis is vilified. Incorrectly. Sometimes by his own...
I don't want to go on rant 432-1b about this situation again, but it's just a symptom of a larger problem. In the vacuum of knowledge which is refereeing, as they try to make decision after decision without enough information, and with no external incentive for players not to try to actively con them, referees are going to improvise away their ignorance due to the fact that they have to make a call. This improvisation here involves Suarez' reputation, but it could involve any one of a number of completely capricious things. Increase the certainty of refereeing by replay, and decrease the incentive to cheat referees by retroactive punishment, and the vast majority of this issue goes away.
Until then, as Gene has pointed out, we should stop being so nice.
Until then, as Gene has pointed out, we should stop being so nice.
There's hypocrisy, too, when it comes to the claim to know people's intentions for acts. Refs go beserk when someone like Webb is accused of being biased in his decisions, or when managers complain about certain refs never giving their team a fair chance, but that's not really different from refs claiming they think players are cheating. If they want proper respect they need to give it back.
I agree, even when he first arrived , I don't think he was ever as bad as some players who have been much worse, and as stupid as it sounds others are right, it's fucking Ferguson that is the problem here, the clout he carries with the authorities is unreal, he continually undermines them too, so it must be fear.
The issue is down to the incompetence of the officials in the first place, and it is now starting to reach critical levels. There is a whole lot of difference between, diving (simulation) like Riise did last night, and exaggeration. Players like Suarez, probably forwards in general never get the rub of the green when it comes to penalties as the defender always gets the benefit of the doubt. So if a player gets caught unfairly in the box and stays on their feet the referee does not need any excuse not to give it, so players go down easily, and I would expect any Liverpool player to do that. So they go down easily and still don't get anything the next step is exaggeration, and I think that , in the main, has been Suarez problem, I would not say he is or has been a diver particularly, prone to exaggeration with some justification , yes.
At the end of the day, you only have to look at the evidence of the last two weekends - and not just us, to see that Ref's in general are either really poor, or ill-equiped to deal with the pace and angles of the game. They're also startlingly inconsistent and I can't believe they're not punished more regularly for blatantly poor games. The ref against West Brom the other night was ridiculous, he could have sent their player off for a leg breaker, but chose to 'have a word', then a minute later he books the same player for a nothing challenge, then books one of ours just even it out, for a challenge that wasn't even a foul! Pathetic. And as Vlad said, and as many of us have maintained despite some derision on here, Fergie is the prime culprit and the one pulling the strings, what Fergie wants he generally gets. And yes, I know for the first time in history they got fucked over yesterday, but the point still stands, he's got far too much influence over people in the game.
This problem is one of the main reasons I think there should be a tribunal system that penalises players whether the ref saw the incident or not. We have the technology to go and watch a game from several different angles in slo-mo after a game has finished and the tribunal would have the power to fine and/or penalise players. It would stamp out diving in a heartbeat if they knew they could be banned for a game because of it.
It should be used the other way too, to penalise officials. That might stop them dicking about.
The thing that gets me, though, Ferguson obviously carries so much clout in the media and amongst the officials and FA, he manipulates them and intimidates them no end. That much is blatantly obvious. What I don't get is WHY everyone's so scared of him? Seriously, is he going to have people whacked if he doesn't get his way? Or more likely, point angrily at his watch and refuse to do an interview. It's fucking embarrassing. He should be toeing the line with them, not vice versa.
That wasn't a rhetorical question either, can somebody please tell me why they're scared of him. It genuinely baffles me.
That's true he does not actually dive that much in penalty area but in his early days he did play act outside the penalty area to get free kicks - went down too easily in most cases - these days he does not.
In the case of officials, with a network of contacts as wide as his, he can affect their career (Steve Bennett for one angered him once, got a blast from him in the media and was hardly ever heard of again). In the case of the FA, (a) David Gill's on the FA Council; (b) they're too scared of Ferguson's sheer unpleasantness to be able to deal with his behaviour - the kind of thing, in other words, that bullies often rely on in any walk of life - and (c) parts of the media, which have brought so much cash into football, have a financial stake in ManUre. As our American cousins say, you do the math.
Haha he doesn't really, just kind of disappears and United fade into midtable obscurity.
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