Hillsborough: Searching For The Truth
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This is the part that really saddens me, to think all the compensation the lying cunts @SYC got for post traumatic stress disorder, etc etc, kept their jobs.. kept their marriages.. their homes.. etc etc
It's just so fucking wrong on so many levels
Apologies if this has already been broached...
It was actually estimated afterwards, that not only were there NOT more fans than tickets that day, but that, due largly to the traffic delays that day, the Leppings Lane end was actually under capacity by several hundred fans overall... The cause of the disaster was that so many of the fans, that should have been comfortably accomadated throughout the entire terrace, congrgated in the middle pen, as they were never directed anywhere else. I think I read afterwards that there was almost TWICE as many people in that middle pen than it was built to hold, as the two pens on either side remained practically empty.
Just one of many reasons that this should never have happend. The many simple things that could have seen this avoided only compound the tragedy... It almost happened the year before, in the 1988 semi-final, between the same two teams. The FA should have simply given US the Spion Kop end and them the Leppings Lane end. We asked them to do do, for goodness sake!
EVERY single thing about this makes me so angry.
We asked them to do that in semi-desperation after they had disregarded requests (a) not to send the game to Hillsborough and then (b) to change their minds about doing so. As I recall it, the police said no to the idea of switching the fans between the two ends because it would have meant the two sets of supporters crossing paths outside the ground, which - playing devil's advocate for a moment - one can actually understand. The fundamental point here is that the game should never, EVER have been played at Hillsborough at all. THAT's what sowed the seeds of the whole desperate tragedy, and it's totally down to the FA. IMHO they should be getting every bit as much stick as the police or anybody else.
Philip Johnston (Telegraph) expands on the aspect of police cover-ups and misinformation in England.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...26/Could-a-cover-up-like-this-happen-now.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...26/Could-a-cover-up-like-this-happen-now.html
This is a picture of a mate of mine, circled, who survived. Similar story to Wolands. I didn't know him at the time and although we became instant great mates and shared so much openly with each other it took him until the 20th anniversary of the disaster before he opened up to me about it. He'd just put it so far out of his mind he never talked about it. Anyway, we went the service together that year and he become able to talk about it a lot more with me and hopefully other people. We've been chatting a lot over the last 2 days obviously given events although he lives in California now and he's just pointed himself out in this famous yet harrowing picture. I'm amazed he survived given he was only 15 at he time and where he was in the crush. I've been having all kinds of butterfly effect thoughts for the last two hours.
Anyway, here he is. If this photo upsets anyone, I apologise and please, if it does, ask me and I'll remove it instantly.
EDIT: I've removed the picture as it is quite upsetting for some. You can view it from the link below but, be warned, it is graphic and possibly upsetting
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/14/qyja3e5u.jpg
Anyway, here he is. If this photo upsets anyone, I apologise and please, if it does, ask me and I'll remove it instantly.
EDIT: I've removed the picture as it is quite upsetting for some. You can view it from the link below but, be warned, it is graphic and possibly upsetting
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/09/14/qyja3e5u.jpg
Lordy. He was very lucky.
Thing is, today a lot of people I've known ages and get on with have only just found out I was there. It's not like I was hiding it, it just doesn't come up. It's not like it's a nice thing to talk about. It's only days like yesterday or significant anniversaries that provoke that kind of conversation.
Thing is, today a lot of people I've known ages and get on with have only just found out I was there. It's not like I was hiding it, it just doesn't come up. It's not like it's a nice thing to talk about. It's only days like yesterday or significant anniversaries that provoke that kind of conversation.
Liverpool's Lord Mayor said he made it during the two minutes silence at 3.06
Jesus, if I could curbstomp someone and get away with it.....
I only just got around to watching Tuesday nights documentary on ITV London (it's on YouTube if anyone still hasn't watched it) an fucking hell it was very hard to watch. My heart went out to Trevor and Jenni Hicks. Trevor having to choose which daughter to stay with was heart wrenching. Even after Vicky was pronounced dead, and he came back to look for Sarah, only to find that he had also lost her too, that was too much for me.
This was part of the official club statement:
Tom Werner, chairman, Liverpool Football Club, said: "On behalf of myself, John and everyone at the club, I would like to extend our thoughts and prayers on this hugely significant and deeply emotional day to everyone affected by the Hillsborough disaster. Today the world has heard the real truth about what happened at Hillsborough.
"As a football club, we will continue to remember those who died and support the families who lost loved ones on that terrible day. We hope that today's findings will give some comfort to the families and survivors and go some way to addressing some of the key questions that have hung over the Hillsborough tragedy for the last 23 years."
Only after finishing reading this. He really describes it perfectly. It almost feels like you were there. The part about the girl dying is heartbreaking.
That whole piece actually made me feel like it happened only yesterday.
I see were you are coming from. People who tried their best to help should have been respected for their efforts. People who tried their best to shift the blame and cover up should be haunted in beyond their death.
The main thing sticking in my craw now is the complete denial that Thatcher knew anything about it.
This is the cunt that stood & lied in the house about Orgreave ffs.
There's no doubt the cover up began immediately when Duckenfield lied about the gate, but to suggest she knew absolutely nothing about any of this is a fucking joke.
Her comments about the Taylor report criticising the police unnecessarily give away her attitude.
The working class were inhumane, football fans nothing more than miners in scarves. Her precious police force stamping down her will was all that was important, not the truth, & especially not vindictating Liverpudlians.
The one thing that makes me wish I believed in a higher power was that she'd rot in hell along with those other cunts that were involved in this atrocity.
This is the cunt that stood & lied in the house about Orgreave ffs.
There's no doubt the cover up began immediately when Duckenfield lied about the gate, but to suggest she knew absolutely nothing about any of this is a fucking joke.
Her comments about the Taylor report criticising the police unnecessarily give away her attitude.
The working class were inhumane, football fans nothing more than miners in scarves. Her precious police force stamping down her will was all that was important, not the truth, & especially not vindictating Liverpudlians.
The one thing that makes me wish I believed in a higher power was that she'd rot in hell along with those other cunts that were involved in this atrocity.
The problem with people of the latter description is they tend to lack any kind of conscience or morality so I doubt they'd be haunted in any way. They're more likely to be upset by the fact the game is up with their lies and they're in a panicked self-preservation mode right now. Cunts like Patnick and Mackenzie who, despite apologising insincerely, are still trying to deflect blame elsewhere. Cowards
As Trevor Hicks said - There's apologies and then there's the spirit in how they're given. They've had 23 years to own up and apologise - they're only doing it now because they've been found out - any such apology is thus worthless. It shows no real remorse at all.
Nothing Thatcher said or did is likely to have been written down Jon and, if it was, she was bound to be protected. It's like Oncy said - they'll be giving us information in order to expose most of them responsible but not enough to implicate themselves or her.
I know. It stinks though.
Letter in today's Guardian
On 15 April 1989, at 8.30 in the morning, Barrie left his home to travel to a football match. In the early hours of the following morning, a different man returned home. Barrie's friends, who had been seated elsewhere in the ground, had found him wandering the streets of Sheffield after an increasingly despairing search that lasted long into the night. Traumatised, his body covered in purple bruises that bled into each other, his arms torn from dragging adults and children from the terrible crush and passing them up to others hanging, arms stretched, to lift them to safety, Barrie came home but left part of his soul in the Hillsborough stadium.
In the 23 years that followed, time after time castigated as a cause of the tragedy; carrying the guilt of survival; knowing, as did everyone in Liverpool, "the truth" but condemned as self-pitying and told to "get over it" when any attempt to disseminate the truth was made; and taking every opportunity to show his solidarity with the families of the 96 in their search for justice.
Finally, vindication (Hillsborough: the reckoning, 13 September) but too late for many relatives and friends of those who were lost and survivors themselves. Too late also for Barrie, who died at 8.10 on Wednesday morning.
Pat Ayers
Liverpool
On 15 April 1989, at 8.30 in the morning, Barrie left his home to travel to a football match. In the early hours of the following morning, a different man returned home. Barrie's friends, who had been seated elsewhere in the ground, had found him wandering the streets of Sheffield after an increasingly despairing search that lasted long into the night. Traumatised, his body covered in purple bruises that bled into each other, his arms torn from dragging adults and children from the terrible crush and passing them up to others hanging, arms stretched, to lift them to safety, Barrie came home but left part of his soul in the Hillsborough stadium.
In the 23 years that followed, time after time castigated as a cause of the tragedy; carrying the guilt of survival; knowing, as did everyone in Liverpool, "the truth" but condemned as self-pitying and told to "get over it" when any attempt to disseminate the truth was made; and taking every opportunity to show his solidarity with the families of the 96 in their search for justice.
Finally, vindication (Hillsborough: the reckoning, 13 September) but too late for many relatives and friends of those who were lost and survivors themselves. Too late also for Barrie, who died at 8.10 on Wednesday morning.
Pat Ayers
Liverpool
God that photo Sunny put up is so bad. I'd known it was out there but I'd never seen it before. 🙁
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