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Hillsborough: Searching For The Truth

He raises a good point about the knock-on effect of the crowds from the outside going into the ground. Surely that's an obvious thing, that if there's too many people outside the stadium, that it's going to be even worse on the inside?

I rather sympathised with the police decision to open the gate, because I had been in a few of those crushes at different grounds in those days and it became quite frightening, with the pressure building up on your ribs and other people beginning to panic. It would have been a good decision, had it not been for the fact that as all the people burst in, they all went straight ahead to the central pen. If they could also have been somehow persuaded to go to the left and right as well, the disaster wouldn't have happened.
 
Shameful as that is, id rather that than this long fucking line of people saying 'What!?! It wasnt the fans!? We were to blame? Well i had no idea, im dreadfully sorry!'

No, you got caught. You arent sorry, youre guilty.

Exactly mate. You're in the same place as me today.
 
I rather sympathised with the police decision to open the gate, because I had been in a few of those crushes at different grounds in those days and it became quite frightening, with the pressure building up on your ribs and other people beginning to panic. It would have been a good decision, had it not been for the fact that as all the people burst in, they all went straight ahead to the central pen. If they could also have been somehow persuaded to go to the left and right as well, the disaster wouldn't have happened.

Having been there at least twice previously it was an accident waiting to happen outside the turnstiles. BUT, that was on both occasions, in the main because the police were corralling us off the road which was not even a busy street.

Opening the gate relieved the pressure outside which I was in. They just didn't think about the repercussions of the gate opening. We were treated like cattle on every occasion.
 
http://tyneandwear.sky.com/news/article/38995

Solidarity In Sunderland For Liverpool's First Fixture After Hillsborough Report

By Jenny Wotherspoon Location: Sunderland

Liverpool travel to the Stadium of Light for the team's first fixture since the truth of the Hillsborough tragedy was published in an independent report.

The visiting fans could find the usual energetic banter between the teams is muted as they arrive for the Premier League match on Saturday September 15.

Sunderland supporters have told Sky Tyne and Wear they want to show solidarity with the Merseysiders at the close of a harrowing week.

Some say they will join in with the Liverpool anthem You'll Never Walk Alone, while others feel a minute's silence would be appropriate.

In a damning 395-page report, the Hillsborough Independent Panel confirmed that South Yorkshire Police had altered 164 statements taken on the day of the disaster to deflect blame away from officers and on to fans.

96 innocent supporters died and hundreds more were injured during a crush at the start of the FA Cup semi-final match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest at Sheffield Wednesday's Hillsborough stadium in April 1989.

As the report was published, thousands gathered in Liverpool city centre for a vigil in their memory.

The families of the Liverpool fans killed said the report had vindicated them, and have pledged to carry on their fight by pursuing criminal prosecutions against the police.

Margaret Aspinall, chairwoman of the Hillsborough Families Support Group, said: "They were a disgrace, they were a mockery and the system should be ashamed of itself. The fight will go on."

The Hillsborough Families Support Group can now also start the process of overturning the inquest verdicts of accidental death, which is already being considered by the Attorney General, Dominic Grieve.
 
From my blog. Just needed to try and get a handle on my feelings this week.

http://shinysean.blogspot.co.uk/


This has been a tough week for me.
I thought after 23 year I might be able to deal with the findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel Report. I thought I had my feelings under control and could take it in my stride. I couldn’t.
As I watched it unfold, from Cameron’s speech in parliament, to the last moments of the vigil in Liverpool I have cried, beaten my fists in fury and felt the guilt of survival all over again. It never goes way, it only lies hidden.

The despicable behaviour of those charged with protecting us on that day has me enraged. The cover up, beyond even the belief I already had about the goings on, aghast. The dignity and strength shown by the people who made it happen, humble.

This is not just a momentous day for the families and friends of Hillsborough victims, and those of us injured but surviving, it’s also a day that transcends football, and sport. It is a result that should reverberate throughout every football ground, and through every supporter, regardless of their allegiance.

It could so easily have been you.

I was one of the lucky ones. The report showed that dozens of people could have been saved if they had been treated correctly at the scene. Mine was saved by the selfless quick actions, and disregard for the policeman who pronounced me dead on the pitch, of a few fellow fans, who pushed me over the fence, gave me mouth to mouth and carried me unconscious out of the ground on advertising hoardings. They got me into an ambulance and I was taken to hospital. I have never met any of them. I was in touch with one lad once, but he was too traumatised to meet me. They, and everyone else there that day, should be proud of their actions. They have suffered horrifically since through no fault of their own.

What happened that day, and in the intervening 23 years, is a lesson in the venal nature of some in positions of authority when protecting themselves, and their institutions when they spy a way out, an escape from being held accountable. The pursuit of the truth has been difficult. Ordinary, working class people, stricken with grief, looking for answers and justice for 23 years, while having doors continually slammed in their faces and told to move on, forget about it, stop whinging.

They are an inspiration; the perfect embodiment of dignity, tenaciousness and fighting spirit.

Those responsible for the lies, the deceit, the betrayal of trust and the hateful covering up of their own culpability must now be held properly to account.

Those in the South Yorkshire Police who failed to carry out their jobs correctly then deliberately changed witness statements, tried to find criminal links by referencing the dead with criminal records, and took blood alcohol readings from children to try to blame alcohol.

Those in the press who thought that their print-and-be-damned actions were in the public interest, but were nothing short of disgusting lies designed to scapegoat, smear and denigrate 96 innocent men, women and children.

The government of the time that saw an opportunity to wage their class war against the industrial workers of this country, outside the factories, mining towns and docks.

Sheffield Wednesday football club, for their unwillingness to ever accept their part in the disaster by owning and leasing out an unsafe, crumbling stadium unfit for purpose.

And the FA, those bastions of all things inept and wretched, for their lack of awareness, their wilful disregard for stadium safety reports and their typically pathetic attempts to avoid any connection with the events of April 15th 1989.

I hope the families and friends of the victims feel they have won a victory, I hope they can find some peace, and I hope that the new inquests they want are forthcoming.

For those who were responsible, took no blame and spent 23 years lying, shifting blame and treating the dead and their relatives with utter contempt. I hope they are truly ashamed and disgusted with themselves. And I hope they experience some of the horror and guilt they’ve been so willing to pile onto others for the past 23 years.
 
Honestly. On the 20th anniversary when we did all that stuff on here and everyone submitted a piece for that thread i thought id put these emotions to bed for me. I put together that thread and it was a kind of catharsis for me.
I thought i wouldnt ever feel this way about Hillsborough again.
But yesterday and today have broken me apart again.

I hope those who really suffer manage to put it away one day.
For me i thought i had. And me just a voyeur. Heaven knows what some of you went through.

Ynwa lads.
Puts squabbles about Lucas and Rafa into perspective.
Be ok. Ok!
 
From my blog. Just needed to try and get a handle on my feelings this week.

http://shinysean.blogspot.co.uk/


This has been a tough week for me.
I thought after 23 year I might be able to deal with the findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel Report. I thought I had my feelings under control and could take it in my stride. I couldn’t.
As I watched it unfold, from Cameron’s speech in parliament, to the last moments of the vigil in Liverpool I have cried, beaten my fists in fury and felt the guilt of survival all over again. It never goes way, it only lies hidden.

The despicable behaviour of those charged with protecting us on that day has me enraged. The cover up, beyond even the belief I already had about the goings on, aghast. The dignity and strength shown by the people who made it happen, humble.

This is not just a momentous day for the families and friends of Hillsborough victims, and those of us injured but surviving, it’s also a day that transcends football, and sport. It is a result that should reverberate throughout every football ground, and through every supporter, regardless of their allegiance.

It could so easily have been you.

I was one of the lucky ones. The report showed that dozens of people could have been saved if they had been treated correctly at the scene. Mine was saved by the selfless quick actions, and disregard for the policeman who pronounced me dead on the pitch, of a few fellow fans, who pushed me over the fence, gave me mouth to mouth and carried me unconscious out of the ground on advertising hoardings. They got me into an ambulance and I was taken to hospital. I have never met any of them. I was in touch with one lad once, but he was too traumatised to meet me. They, and everyone else there that day, should be proud of their actions. They have suffered horrifically since through no fault of their own.

What happened that day, and in the intervening 23 years, is a lesson in the venal nature of some in positions of authority when protecting themselves, and their institutions when they spy a way out, an escape from being held accountable. The pursuit of the truth has been difficult. Ordinary, working class people, stricken with grief, looking for answers and justice for 23 years, while having doors continually slammed in their faces and told to move on, forget about it, stop whinging.

They are an inspiration; the perfect embodiment of dignity, tenaciousness and fighting spirit.

Those responsible for the lies, the deceit, the betrayal of trust and the hateful covering up of their own culpability must now be held properly to account.

Those in the South Yorkshire Police who failed to carry out their jobs correctly then deliberately changed witness statements, tried to find criminal links by referencing the dead with criminal records, and took blood alcohol readings from children to try to blame alcohol.

Those in the press who thought that their print-and-be-damned actions were in the public interest, but were nothing short of disgusting lies designed to scapegoat, smear and denigrate 96 innocent men, women and children.

The government of the time that saw an opportunity to wage their class war against the industrial workers of this country, outside the factories, mining towns and docks.

Sheffield Wednesday football club, for their unwillingness to ever accept their part in the disaster by owning and leasing out an unsafe, crumbling stadium unfit for purpose.

And the FA, those bastions of all things inept and wretched, for their lack of awareness, their wilful disregard for stadium safety reports and their typically pathetic attempts to avoid any connection with the events of April 15th 1989.

I hope the families and friends of the victims feel they have won a victory, I hope they can find some peace, and I hope that the new inquests they want are forthcoming.

For those who were responsible, took no blame and spent 23 years lying, shifting blame and treating the dead and their relatives with utter contempt. I hope they are truly ashamed and disgusted with themselves. And I hope they experience some of the horror and guilt they’ve been so willing to pile onto others for the past 23 years.
Thanks for sharing that with us Sean.
 
I couldn't read past the part when the girl couldn't move on their arm, I just couldn't.

Its worth trying to. Yes, the inevitable does happen. But seeing it in print from an ordinary fellow red makes you realise that there but for the grace of God goes me even more so.

I saw things that day that I'll never forget. Never. But more and more I feel like I can talk about it, without feeling shame. In fact that is what yesterday has done for me. Even though I knew it wasn't out fault for years, I was conscious and frightened of discussing with people in case their pre-determined and lets face slewed opinions just drove stuf back inside of me.

I now feel I can discuss openly with people, try and educate them further on what happened. Its not that I want to talk about it every day, but now I feel that I don't have to ashamed or worried about it.
 
I have the utmost respect to the posters who were there that day and battling with mixed emotions from the events over the last couple of days. Also respect to the many eloquent and powerful comments made by posters throughout this thread.

What I will say myself is that there does appear to be progress and looks like we are moving in the right direction after a ridiculous 23 years wait.

YNWA
 
That was very hard to read.

I just cried. Almost all the way through.

I've just had to try to explain why to Luke, but you can't explain this to a 4 year old.

I'm going to watch that itv documentary tonight, fuck knows how cos I'll be in bits, I have honestly never looked at footage, the photos the papers used destroy me, I only remember the pictures in my mind from the telly that day & people I knew panicking & crying around me whilst I wondered exactly why.
 
Here is someones account of the day who was caught in the crush. Warning, it's grim reading in parts

http://hillsborough.independent.gov.uk/repository/docs/LCS000001100001.pdf

God that is tough reading. Its like being there and feeling the pressure build.

I remember coming out from an international in Lansdowne Road in the 80s, and some clown deciding to bring down the level crossing barriers stopping the flow of fans for about ten minutes while a train was passing.

All that time you could feel pressure building up from the back and breathing becoming more difficult, as more and more people crowded into the area. It was an awful feeling and obviously not anywhere on the same scale as what is being described in that piece.
 
Dear Professor Weatherill,

I am sure you are already aware of the statement which has been made today by Norman Bettison – a statement which in my view tries to defend the indefensible.
Mr Bettison is currently Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police. He was previously a Chief Inspector and then Superintendent at South Yorkshire Police at the time of the Hillsborough disaster on 15 April 1989. He is also the recipient of an honorary fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University, which was awarded in 2004.
The report of the Independent Panel sheds light on the propaganda campaign organised by South Yorkshire Police in the aftermath of the Hillsborough Disaster. This campaign sought to deflect the blame for deaths at Hillsborough from South Yorkshire Police onto the Liverpool fans. The report also reveals how a liaison unit of police officers met in the days following the disaster to orchestrate a smear campaign against the Liverpool fans, for the benefit of a Member of Parliament who was supportive of South Yorkshire Police’s (now discredited) version of events.
In particular I would refer you to page 360 of the Independent Report, which refers to Mr Bettison’s production of a video tape which sought to present Liverpool fans as being to blame.
Mr Bettison’s role in the liaison unit was critical, as outlined in the report of the Independent Panel. His actions as part of the police liaison unit responsible for smearing the fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough, and those who survived, were abhorrent. The statement released by Mr Bettison today shows he continues to show no remorse for his actions, and that at a time when many of those in positions of authority are apologising for their roles in what the Prime Minister called the ‘double injustice’ of the 96 deaths and the subsequent smearing of the fans, he continues to refuse to say sorry. In fact he goes on to pour petrol on to the flames by blaming fans for hindering the police operation. The fact is that fans were the real heroes that day and saved many people despite the polices behaviour which hindered the rescue of victims. His comments are appalling and disgraceful as he once again tries to shift the blame on to innocent people.
Mr Bettison is defending the indefensible, despite the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel which demonstrates his role in smearing Liverpool fans. I do not think he is a person worthy of any public honour or recognition, and especially not from the institutions of the city of Liverpool. As such, I am demanding that Liverpool John Moores University immediately strip Mr Bettison of the honorary fellowship you have previously conferred upon him.
I look forward to your prompt response.
Yours sincerely,

Joe Anderson
Mayor of Liverpool
 
My emotional state over the last 24 hours;

Yesterday.............. Today
Anger......................Anger
....Sadness...... Sadness
...............Sickness............

Similar has been said, but;
I don't know anyone directly affected by Hillsborough, I was only 5 at the time and can only recall glimpses of images on TV, but have lived 20 minutes from town my whole life, have spoken to people about it and have grown up with the constant call for justice. It wasn't till yesterday though I knew how hard it could hit me. I can't imagine how those feelings must be, when amplified hundreds of times and carried for 23 years, for the families, my thoughts are constantly with them now until they see justice prevail.

Right now I am back at huge levels of anger, not just at those involved at the time, but also everybody who has helped perpetuate these lies over the last 23 years. I hope that there is an even larger effort now to nail every fucker (to a cross hopefully) who was complicit in the concealment/perversion of the truth. Somebody going to emergency, somebody going to jail.
 

Stripping the cunt of his knighthood! How about suing the fucker for everything he has got. I urge everyone to look out Patnick's letter to Lord Justice Taylor in the report, sorry dont know how to do a link, but this man has alot of explaining to do. The silence eminating from this heap of shit is deafening
 
Dear Professor Weatherill,

I am sure you are already aware of the statement which has been made today by Norman Bettison – a statement which in my view tries to defend the indefensible.
Mr Bettison is currently Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police. He was previously a Chief Inspector and then Superintendent at South Yorkshire Police at the time of the Hillsborough disaster on 15 April 1989. He is also the recipient of an honorary fellowship from Liverpool John Moores University, which was awarded in 2004.
The report of the Independent Panel sheds light on the propaganda campaign organised by South Yorkshire Police in the aftermath of the Hillsborough Disaster. This campaign sought to deflect the blame for deaths at Hillsborough from South Yorkshire Police onto the Liverpool fans. The report also reveals how a liaison unit of police officers met in the days following the disaster to orchestrate a smear campaign against the Liverpool fans, for the benefit of a Member of Parliament who was supportive of South Yorkshire Police’s (now discredited) version of events.
In particular I would refer you to page 360 of the Independent Report, which refers to Mr Bettison’s production of a video tape which sought to present Liverpool fans as being to blame.
Mr Bettison’s role in the liaison unit was critical, as outlined in the report of the Independent Panel. His actions as part of the police liaison unit responsible for smearing the fans who lost their lives at Hillsborough, and those who survived, were abhorrent. The statement released by Mr Bettison today shows he continues to show no remorse for his actions, and that at a time when many of those in positions of authority are apologising for their roles in what the Prime Minister called the ‘double injustice’ of the 96 deaths and the subsequent smearing of the fans, he continues to refuse to say sorry. In fact he goes on to pour petrol on to the flames by blaming fans for hindering the police operation. The fact is that fans were the real heroes that day and saved many people despite the polices behaviour which hindered the rescue of victims. His comments are appalling and disgraceful as he once again tries to shift the blame on to innocent people.
Mr Bettison is defending the indefensible, despite the report of the Hillsborough Independent Panel which demonstrates his role in smearing Liverpool fans. I do not think he is a person worthy of any public honour or recognition, and especially not from the institutions of the city of Liverpool. As such, I am demanding that Liverpool John Moores University immediately strip Mr Bettison of the honorary fellowship you have previously conferred upon him.
I look forward to your prompt response.
Yours sincerely,

Joe Anderson
Mayor of Liverpool

And so it begins. We start small and then start to remove every "honour" bestowed on him.

He's scared. I don't care if the Govt is hanging him and the police out to dry. If they hadn't done what they did, they couldn't be hung out to dry.

This is justice, not retribution.
 
Stripping the cunt of his knighthood! How about suing the fucker for everything he has got. I urge everyone to look out Patnick's letter to Lord Justice Taylor in the report, sorry dont know how to do a link, but this man has alot of explaining to do. The silence eminating from this heap of shit is deafening

Oh I remember reading it. Shameful.

And he will be next, after Bettison gets taken from him what he "earned" from being a corrupt copper.

Duckinfield should also be facing charges for criminal negligence and should at the very least be stripped of his very healthy police pension which he got by being retired on medical basis before he could be disciplined.
 
Someone said TalkSport was good yesterday about this, so, for the first time in years, I thought I'd have a listen now - and I can only say it's back to business as usual. That ghastly little twit Cundy is spouting nonsense, and callers are being allowed to make fresh slurs about LFC fans being 'monsters' back in the 1980s.
 
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