I'd say there needs to be a fresh inquest opened with a few of prosecuting those who were responsible for this sickening cover up.
Hillsborough: Searching For The Truth
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I've just been on the site that you can search for documents and I've read the papers from the 17th, they're all there. Even the reporting seems to be more us and them than you'd expect now - not just The Lying Rag. Maybe it's because those were the days of 'us' being journalist and 'them' being consumers, where it's far more grey now, everyone with a phone and a blog is a reporter. Even so it all seems quite sneering. There's things like expensive phone vote lines for people to ring in on whether they should play the final, in massive fonts above pictures of people being crushed.
I am not very good at turning emotions into words, so I am not sure that I will be able to express myself adequately in this post. Such a strange mix of emotions from reading through this thread and watching Cameron's statement. It kind of sent chills down my spine when I realized that some of the posters here were actually there that day and others knew someone who was there. I come from a different country and I've never even been to Liverpool (not yet, but I will visit some day), but from reading and thinking about this I feel some of this pain too. My thoughts are with everyone who lived through this tragedy and everyone who was affected. We are all one community and that includes overseas fans. This is a big day for our club and I hope this will begin the process of bringing some closure.
YNWA
YNWA
That much is clear
I hope that's the case. I would ponder should the same panel continue with the inquest, they have done a fine job so far, but would it be too much for them to continue, or does it need others to undertake it. I dont know, i am just sort of speaking out loud.
One more thing. I am not surprised at the police and government cover up. I've seen this movie many times before back in Ukraine and here in the US. People in power always go to surprising and sometimes horrifying lengths to try to cover their asses. However from my standpoint it reflects well on the British government to have finally made a proper investigation and apologize for the actions of their predecessors. Even if it took 23 years.
It's been a strange day Sean, I had no idea it would end up quite like it has with so much damning evidence
yep, gene said it really well in his post, even though im from liverpool, because it happened before i was even born, i for some reason didn't feel entitled to feel as upset as I was with the whole thing, not when there are people that have been through it and had love ones go through it too, yet i've been shocked, relieved, disgusted, fucking all sorts today.
there really aren't any words
Some amazing posts in this thread. Gene sums it up in the best way possible to be honest.
Emotional day to say the least, and I cant even fanthom what some on here feel.
The unity and togetherness that Merseyside is showing is amazing. Not only today but for the last 23 years.
Hopefully justice will follow.
YNWA
Emotional day to say the least, and I cant even fanthom what some on here feel.
The unity and togetherness that Merseyside is showing is amazing. Not only today but for the last 23 years.
Hopefully justice will follow.
YNWA
here's the thread on redcafe by the way, i've already mentioned it but it feels good to read the support thats there
http://www.redcafe.net/f7/e-petition-release-govt-hillsborough-files-337931/
http://www.redcafe.net/f7/e-petition-release-govt-hillsborough-files-337931/
Just had a look at Red Cafe too, I thought there would be a couple of nobs, but that's not the case.
They are making noises about a Justice banner at Anfield.
The thing that worries them is if they did that, how would it be received and what would be the consequences of us giving Evra stick and perhaps see the gesture thrown back in their faces.
It's heartening to see that this transcends, even the bitterest of local rivalries, it would be good if some of the deep division could be put aside for a short while at least, and perhaps cut out some of the unnecessary stuff for good.
I think someone needs to be big about this and make the first move.
I think it's that sort of day
regards
They are making noises about a Justice banner at Anfield.
The thing that worries them is if they did that, how would it be received and what would be the consequences of us giving Evra stick and perhaps see the gesture thrown back in their faces.
It's heartening to see that this transcends, even the bitterest of local rivalries, it would be good if some of the deep division could be put aside for a short while at least, and perhaps cut out some of the unnecessary stuff for good.
I think someone needs to be big about this and make the first move.
I think it's that sort of day
regards
Strange Day, a mixture of emotions.. Exhausted with it all too..
Listening to talksport on the way home from work summed up my emotions.
A LFC fan called in and broke down on the radio.. 23 years, 23 years, can you even start to begin what the parents and family of the victims have been through. How does it take 23 years in this country for the truth of such a major disaster to finally come out.. ?
I had to stop driving and wipe away the tears myself..
The truth is there was an agenda against the people of Liverpool in the 80's. With Politics, Toxteth Riots and Heysel, etc. SYC used that Stigma to their advantage to help cover their own arses..
Listening to talksport on the way home from work summed up my emotions.
A LFC fan called in and broke down on the radio.. 23 years, 23 years, can you even start to begin what the parents and family of the victims have been through. How does it take 23 years in this country for the truth of such a major disaster to finally come out.. ?
I had to stop driving and wipe away the tears myself..
The truth is there was an agenda against the people of Liverpool in the 80's. With Politics, Toxteth Riots and Heysel, etc. SYC used that Stigma to their advantage to help cover their own arses..
yeah you see them talk about the issue regarding booing evra even after that gesture, it's sad that it is an issue to be fair but i guess football is a tribal thing at times
I know George. I wasn't expecting the level of revelations that were exposed today it was truly astounding and surprised most people with the sheer scale of it all. I was elated for the families in one way "the families were right" coming from Cameron are four words I wont easily forget. I was gutted for them too when it came 41 of the victims had the potential to survive. Anger followed that, reinforced with the exposure of the sheer scale of lies, deceit and organised mud slinging that has taken place over two decades - some of it criminal surely.
I've an immense sense of sheer amazement that, how ever strange the emotional rollercoaster of today, the families have suffered that to a scale beyond reckoning every day for the last 23 years. It beggars belief how strong those people are and words can't explain the respect I feel for them. And pride. Immense pride in the families, the city and all those who supported the campaign to get it to this point. Those who refused to lie down and accept the lies and defamation of the dead, supporters of this club and the city. Who fought against a bent media protected establishment who tried every sly arse and legal trick in the book to stop the real truth coming out. And won and exposed what's a national scandal and an embarrassment for those who sucked up and believed all the lies.
Saw your Facebook post as well mate, very heartfelt.
What a day as you say but a ground breaking day in so many ways and such a massive step to closure for the families.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19574492
Little piece on Thatchers reaction to the Taylor report
Little piece on Thatchers reaction to the Taylor report
Well said mate, well said
And a humble response from Trevor Hicks to say there were a lot of officers who tried their best to help.
It's the whole media, though, isn't it, who MUST have known about much of this and yet only now, only now it's 'safe,' do they suddenly find anger and outrage and an appetite for the fight. All those years, so many, outside of conventional media outlets, knew this. They weren't dreaming or fantasising. But only now do they, within such media, find a sense of moral outrage. Where WERE these people all those years ago? How do they explain themselves? How on earth do they find justification for laughing off in the past what they now take seriously?
Quite.
The Chief Con has not been particularly contrite over this, he always sticks a little bit in like even though it was 23 years.....I don't like him.
You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much
regards
You can always tell a Yorkshireman, but you can't tell him much
regards
Like many others, Gene's post sums up how I feel about this, I don't feel I have the right to be as emotional about this as I always get, but I do. But I do know the way the families, city and fans have conducted themselves not just today, but for the past 23 years is what makes this club what it is, and I'm proud to be a part of that. I honestly don't think this would have come out if it was any other club or any other city because I don't believe the commitment and fight would have been there. They way the families have conducted themselves and never wavered in their belief that this day would come is honest astounding, and a great testament to the people of Liverpool. The truth would have stayed hidden if it was another club, they deserve so much credit for breaking through wall after wall and finally getting the truth out of them.
I just hope the families and those who were there and suffered finally find peace with what's come out today.
YNWA
I just hope the families and those who were there and suffered finally find peace with what's come out today.
YNWA
The support from the majority of Utd fans has been amazing. They want to do something at the game next week, a banner or join in the singing of YNWA but are scared the gesture might be thrown back in their face. That would be a massive statement if it came off and would go some way to ending the bile between the two sets of supporters. It's clear today's events have shocked the nation regardless of allegiances and has been a watershed in changing people's opinion of the city and the people who live here. Surely something could be done to make this happen.
Why not Anita ? You and many others have stated this and I find it strange - you've no need to feel that way at all - none of you. You're a fan of LFC as are all of us and, whereas maybe you're not as close to the disaster as more local fans, you're an intrinsic part of the club. That means what hurts the club and it's fans understandably affects you and all of us. As long as you support the club and what it stands for then you have every right to feel affected by the lies, deceit and unfounded shame placed upon the Hillsborough families and this club by those who simply did not have the courage to stand up and be morally, never mind legally, accountable for the mistakes they made. Those who displayed a complete lack of courage and overbearing sense of cowardly self preservation. We've all suffered the slurs and digs because of their shameful behaviour, none more so than the families, and finally we can hold our heads up a lot higher than yesterday in the notion the truth as we understood is was the actual truth and not some figment of a paranoid imagination steeped in wallowing self pity. Fuck those who thought that. We've made mistakes as a club and supporters in the past and we have to admit to those otherwise it makes us no better but, on this occasion, we've been proven to have been unequivocally right in supporting the families campaign for a justice that's been far too long coming. We carry no shame on this whatsoever today, the world knows the truth and I'm hopeful many affected this rest much easier tonight. There's many out there though who should be hanging their heads in shame, if they have the basic human capacity for it, and they're likely to get a small idea of the countless restless nights those poor families had to endure quite soon.
I would fully respect that
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